Yonah vs Presler

[DrMrLordX]

From Anandtech's preview article, we can conclude a few things about the Yonah, namely that, at 2 ghz, Yonah is comparable to a X2 3800+(give or take) and a Pentium D 830.

We also know Yonah will launch at speeds as high as 2.13 ghz.

In theory, if a 2 ghz Yonah can match a 3800+ and match or beat the Pentium D 830, then it should match a Pentium D 840 some of the time. A 2.13 ghz Yonah should be able to beat the Pentium D 840. Furthermore, the Yonah should be equally well-positioned to compete against Presler-core Pentium Ds at similar clock speeds.

A 2.13 ghz Yonah might even give a 3.4 ghz Presler a run for its money, all the while consuming far less power. Even if the Yonah costs more initially, the cost-of-ownership will clearly tilt economic factors in Yonah's favor.

With the Yonah launching at 2.13 ghz, why would anyone choose Presler for their desktop over Yonah? System builders and enthusiasts alike are going to have to take a good, long look at this scenario before they start mass-deployment of 9xx-series Pentium Ds.

 

[coldpower27]

There is still the minor inconvenience of not having EM64T on Yonah while Prelser does have it, not to mention Presler "looks" better with it's higher clock frequency and large cache.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
From Anandtech's preview article, we can conclude a few things about the Yonah, namely that, at 2 ghz, Yonah is comparable to a X2 3800+(give or take) and a Pentium D 830.

We also know Yonah will launch at speeds as high as 2.13 ghz.

In theory, if a 2 ghz Yonah can match a 3800+ and match or beat the Pentium D 830, then it should match a Pentium D 840 some of the time. A 2.13 ghz Yonah should be able to beat the Pentium D 840. Furthermore, the Yonah should be equally well-positioned to compete against Presler-core Pentium Ds at similar clock speeds.

A 2.13 ghz Yonah might even give a 3.4 ghz Presler a run for its money, all the while consuming far less power. Even if the Yonah costs more initially, the cost-of-ownership will clearly tilt economic factors in Yonah's favor.

With the Yonah launching at 2.13 ghz, why would anyone choose Presler for their desktop over Yonah? System builders and enthusiasts alike are going to have to take a good, long look at this scenario before they start mass-deployment of 9xx-series Pentium Ds.

Depends on how yonah and presler OC, IMHO. If Yonah OC's like a dog, presler would be my choice. Annad got his ES to like what? 4GHz or something lke that...Yonah would have to get to like 2.6-2.7 to top that.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
From Anandtech's preview article, we can conclude a few things about the Yonah, namely that, at 2 ghz, Yonah is comparable to a X2 3800+(give or take) and a Pentium D 830.

We also know Yonah will launch at speeds as high as 2.13 ghz.

In theory, if a 2 ghz Yonah can match a 3800+ and match or beat the Pentium D 830, then it should match a Pentium D 840 some of the time. A 2.13 ghz Yonah should be able to beat the Pentium D 840. Furthermore, the Yonah should be equally well-positioned to compete against Presler-core Pentium Ds at similar clock speeds.

A 2.13 ghz Yonah might even give a 3.4 ghz Presler a run for its money, all the while consuming far less power. Even if the Yonah costs more initially, the cost-of-ownership will clearly tilt economic factors in Yonah's favor.

With the Yonah launching at 2.13 ghz, why would anyone choose Presler for their desktop over Yonah? System builders and enthusiasts alike are going to have to take a good, long look at this scenario before they start mass-deployment of 9xx-series Pentium Ds.

Depends on how yonah and presler OC, IMHO. If Yonah OC's like a dog, presler would be my choice. Annad got his ES to like what? 4GHz or something lke that...Yonah would have to get to like 2.6-2.7 to top that.

And if you did get it to 2.7GHz, then the power consumption would go up (but by how much is obviously an unknown) so economics wise itmight be less attractive.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
From Anandtech's preview article, we can conclude a few things about the Yonah, namely that, at 2 ghz, Yonah is comparable to a X2 3800+(give or take) and a Pentium D 830.

We also know Yonah will launch at speeds as high as 2.13 ghz.

In theory, if a 2 ghz Yonah can match a 3800+ and match or beat the Pentium D 830, then it should match a Pentium D 840 some of the time. A 2.13 ghz Yonah should be able to beat the Pentium D 840. Furthermore, the Yonah should be equally well-positioned to compete against Presler-core Pentium Ds at similar clock speeds.

A 2.13 ghz Yonah might even give a 3.4 ghz Presler a run for its money, all the while consuming far less power. Even if the Yonah costs more initially, the cost-of-ownership will clearly tilt economic factors in Yonah's favor.

With the Yonah launching at 2.13 ghz, why would anyone choose Presler for their desktop over Yonah? System builders and enthusiasts alike are going to have to take a good, long look at this scenario before they start mass-deployment of 9xx-series Pentium Ds.

Depends on how yonah and presler OC, IMHO. If Yonah OC's like a dog, presler would be my choice. Annad got his ES to like what? 4GHz or something lke that...Yonah would have to get to like 2.6-2.7 to top that.

And if you did get it to 2.7GHz, then the power consumption would go up (but by how much is obviously an unknown) so economics wise itmight be less attractive.

IMHO in a desktop, the economic factor isn't all that great, esp when you're OCing. I'd be more concered by heat, and a lap top part should be good in that since, but you never know.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

bunch of freaks, its always about the oc. iam waiting for prices of Yonah and desktop mainboards and then we can talk bout ocing.

 

[Cooler]

I could see Yonah Hiting 4Ghz since There have been Reports of 3.4 Ghz+ P-M OCs.

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: Cooler
I could see Yonah Hiting 4Ghz since There have been Reports of 3.4 Ghz+ P-M OCs.

3.4 p-m o/cs require exotic cooling.

most p-m's seem to top at around 2.7 to 2.9 on air.

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: Cooler
I could see Yonah Hiting 4Ghz since There have been Reports of 3.4 Ghz+ P-M OCs.

3.4 p-m o/cs require exotic cooling.

most p-m's seem to top at around 2.7 to 2.9 on air.

Thats why i said there "Have" been reports and i did not say air or water cooling

But i am gessing you can get 3Ghz on air with these.
Intel also said the arey releasing and EE version of Yonah I am gessing this would be for a desktop since it uses more then 50 watts.

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: Cooler
I could see Yonah Hiting 4Ghz since There have been Reports of 3.4 Ghz+ P-M OCs.

3.4 p-m o/cs require exotic cooling.

most p-m's seem to top at around 2.7 to 2.9 on air.

Thats why i said there "Have" been reports and i did not say air or water cooling

But i am gessing you can get 3Ghz on air with these.

most people on AT only care about air/water.

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: Cooler
I could see Yonah Hiting 4Ghz since There have been Reports of 3.4 Ghz+ P-M OCs.

3.4 p-m o/cs require exotic cooling.

most p-m's seem to top at around 2.7 to 2.9 on air.

Thats why i said there "Have" been reports and i did not say air or water cooling

But i am gessing you can get 3Ghz on air with these.

most people on AT only care about air/water.

that is true

 

[phaxmohdem]

Originally posted by: Cooler
Thats why i said there "Have" been reports and i did not say air or water cooling

But i am gessing you can get 3Ghz on air with these.
Intel also said the arey releasing and EE version of Yonah I am gessing this would be for a desktop since it uses more then 50 watts.

I bet Dell modifies is 2405FPW screen and puts it in a laptop chassis, paird with the yonah EE, and sells it under the XPS brand complete with 4 cell battery so if you run real fast you can make it to the next wall outlet before you lose your data.

 

[DrMrLordX]

If we're talking about overclocking, keep in mind that the power consumption is going to scale up more dramatically on an overclocked Presler than it will on an overclocked Yonah.

In other words, at 2.7 ghz, Yonah will still consume far less power than a 4 ghz Presler. The cost-of-ownership factor still leans in Yonah's favor.

I would say the cost of Yonah and Presler, as well as their platforms, will also come into play, but I'm guessing a Presler could wind up costing $10-$20 more per month to power if the box stays running all the time. Yonah will also probably be easier to cool, and will probably go further on stock volts, have fewer throttling problems, etc.

 

[carlosd]

For power consumption I would prefer yohah, also I hate netburst. I can't wait intel to kill it.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: Cooler
I could see Yonah Hiting 4Ghz since There have been Reports of 3.4 Ghz+ P-M OCs.

3.4 p-m o/cs require exotic cooling.

most p-m's seem to top at around 2.7 to 2.9 on air.

Thats why i said there "Have" been reports and i did not say air or water cooling

But i am gessing you can get 3Ghz on air with these.

most people on AT only care about air/water.

I don't care about water any more..my water block decided to spring a leak
Stupid pentium-d why did you have to run so hot to temp me to bring out the water cooling..

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: Cooler
I could see Yonah Hiting 4Ghz since There have been Reports of 3.4 Ghz+ P-M OCs.

3.4 p-m o/cs require exotic cooling.

most p-m's seem to top at around 2.7 to 2.9 on air.

Thats why i said there "Have" been reports and i did not say air or water cooling

But i am gessing you can get 3Ghz on air with these.

most people on AT only care about air/water.

I don't care about water any more..my water block decided to spring a leak
Stupid pentium-d why did you have to run so hot to temp me to bring out the water cooling..

It probably got so warm it melted your water block!

Anyways, these things would have to OC significantly better than most X2s, and be fairly cheap for anyone with one to pick them up. By 1st quarter 06, X2s should be hitting 2.6 stock, and 2.8 to 3.0 should be possible with OC. If yonah can get to 3.2+ relibably and out perform A64's while doing that, then I may pick one up. Price is a concern here.

 

[dmens]

For the overclocking crowd... rumor has it presler has been oc'ed close to 5ghz in-house. No word on air or water, but it's on some new motherboard targeted at the enthusiast crowd.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
From Anandtech's preview article, we can conclude a few things about the Yonah, namely that, at 2 ghz, Yonah is comparable to a X2 3800+(give or take) and a Pentium D 830.

We also know Yonah will launch at speeds as high as 2.13 ghz.

In theory, if a 2 ghz Yonah can match a 3800+ and match or beat the Pentium D 830, then it should match a Pentium D 840 some of the time. A 2.13 ghz Yonah should be able to beat the Pentium D 840. Furthermore, the Yonah should be equally well-positioned to compete against Presler-core Pentium Ds at similar clock speeds.

A 2.13 ghz Yonah might even give a 3.4 ghz Presler a run for its money, all the while consuming far less power. Even if the Yonah costs more initially, the cost-of-ownership will clearly tilt economic factors in Yonah's favor.

With the Yonah launching at 2.13 ghz, why would anyone choose Presler for their desktop over Yonah? System builders and enthusiasts alike are going to have to take a good, long look at this scenario before they start mass-deployment of 9xx-series Pentium Ds.

I don't know where you're reading reviews but 3800+ beats both 840D and 840EE in majority of benchmarks...almost all RL.

Of course we saw severly limited benchmarks hardly any RL in anands rushed review.. but I'd venture to say, since it's about 5-10% slower clock for clock, unless it clocks to 3000Mhz with reguarity it won't compete with X2's which are reaching 2800Mhz. As far as Presler they need over 4 Ghz to compete with stock AMD dual core chips (180, 4600 and 4800) overclock AMD's to 2800mhz competition is none. So i don't know where intel is going with this. nowhere?

Intel will be back when they don't have worry about power envelope.. like crippling cache..like low volts.. like low bandwidth and other instruction they decline to add to Yonah for savings.. CONROE 06 or bust.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: Cooler
I could see Yonah Hiting 4Ghz since There have been Reports of 3.4 Ghz+ P-M OCs.

3.4 p-m o/cs require exotic cooling.

most p-m's seem to top at around 2.7 to 2.9 on air.

I have a 1.6 P-M that does 2.7 with that dinky Asus CT-479 stock cooler (70mm fan with all aluminum HS). Good P-M's can hit 3+ on air.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: Cooler
I could see Yonah Hiting 4Ghz since There have been Reports of 3.4 Ghz+ P-M OCs.

3.4 p-m o/cs require exotic cooling.

most p-m's seem to top at around 2.7 to 2.9 on air.

Thats why i said there "Have" been reports and i did not say air or water cooling

But i am gessing you can get 3Ghz on air with these.

most people on AT only care about air/water.

I don't care about water any more..my water block decided to spring a leak
Stupid pentium-d why did you have to run so hot to temp me to bring out the water cooling..

Well I warned you about Big Water. Need real blocks like swifty 6002/6000 It's impossible for them to leak but though hose connects since whole block is soldered together.. can get then for $32 at performacne pcs if you want to intergrate into Big Water.. but I would'nt even trust thier rad or pump not to leak either... cheap junk for wannabes IMO.


Water cooling is where it's at.. not just for PD's and 670s but for everything since it can make PC silent. Least that's why I'm into it.

 

[Eug]

2.16 GHz, not 2.13.

And my guess is that Yonah 2.16 will cost significantly more than Pentium D 840, come January. I'm not sure what you mean by cost of ownership leaning towards Yonah's favour, unless you're talking about the few bux more per month of electricity, assuming you're running your CPU full blast 24 hours a day.

I wonder how much Yonah desktop mobos will cost too.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: Eug
I wonder how much Yonah desktop mobos will cost too.

I'm interested as well. Dothan is a very good desktop CPU. It's very high performance when overclocked and doesn't draw a lot of power. However, the amount of Dothan desktop boards are pitiful. There's only a handful of native socket-479 offerings (3?), and they are all poor overclockers.

The most common solution is the Asus CT-479 + a supported Asus motherboard (usually P4P800-SE or P4C800-SE). However, those are AGP only, and people miss out on the higher end PCI-E graphics cards. The only 2 PCI-E Asus boards that can support the CT-479 is the P4GD1 and P4GPL-X both of which are rare and not sold in North America. I was lucky to get my parents to pick up a P4GPL-X on their China trip.

Based on this fact alone, I suspect Yonah desktop boards will be a commodity item; you simply won't see many people using Yonah despite it out-performing the Pressler (based on 2 previews). Which is a shame.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: Zebo



I don't know where you're reading reviews but 3800+ beats both 840D and 840EE in majority of benchmarks...almost all RL.

Of course we saw severly limited benchmarks hardly any RL in anands rushed review.. but I'd venture to say, since it's about 5-10% slower clock for clock, unless it clocks to 3000Mhz with reguarity it won't compete with X2's which are reaching 2800Mhz. As far as Presler they need over 4 Ghz to compete with stock AMD dual core chips (180, 4600 and 4800) overclock AMD's to 2800mhz competition is none. So i don't know where intel is going with this. nowhere?

Intel will be back when they don't have worry about power envelope.. like crippling cache..like low volts.. like low bandwidth and other instruction they decline to add to Yonah for savings.. CONROE 06 or bust.

Of course Yonah loses to the X2. That's not the point. The point is that Yonah may actually be a serious competitor to Presler which will be Intel's flagship desktop dual-core CPU until Conroe is out. We all know how Intel hates for their own CPUs to compete with one another, especially when the loser is their mainstream flagship.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: Eug
2.16 GHz, not 2.13.

And my guess is that Yonah 2.16 will cost significantly more than Pentium D 840, come January. I'm not sure what you mean by cost of ownership leaning towards Yonah's favour, unless you're talking about the few bux more per month of electricity, assuming you're running your CPU full blast 24 hours a day.

I wonder how much Yonah desktop mobos will cost too.

Of course it will cost more than the 840D. The 840D isn't a Presler. I'm thinking 2.16 ghz(thanks for the correction) Yonah vs the 3.2 or 3.4 ghz Presler, which will be I guess 940D and 950D? Or something? I'm too lazy to check the roadmaps.

Anyway, "a few bux more per month of electricity" can easily amount to $100-$200 over the course of a year of frequent use. Processors that consume 150-200W of power will bring up the old electric bill. At least Preslers aren't as bad as Smithfields.

A few power numbers, according to some of Anandtech's own measurements:

Presler 3.4 ghz power consumption at load: 235W
Yonah 2.0 ghz power consumption at load: 108W

Calculate the cost of leaving two 60W lightbulbs on alllllll the time, and that's the price/month difference of owning a Presler vs Yonah(and running the machine constantly). I'm sure they 2.16 ghz Yonah will consume a bit more power, but probably not much more.