Pliablemoose
Lifer
You don't have to use iTunes.
Just as Android has an active community of hackers and developers, so does the iUniverse.
Matter of fact, they've been around longer and have some pretty slick programs and apps.
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yikes.. the iOS experience
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You don't have to use iTunes.
Just as Android has an active community of hackers and developers, so does the iUniverse.
Matter of fact, they've been around longer and have some pretty slick programs and apps.
cheezy321
Diamond Member
because y'all are just as dumb as the people who blindly follow apple.
I like to point out people who are the exact person they hate.
zsdersw
Lifer
It's probably a good idea for you to find a better hobby.
zsdersw
Lifer
.. which you'd have to jailbreak the phone to install/use.
Again.. why should jailbreaking be necessary to install an app that Apple doesn't make available in iTunes?
ChAoTiCpInOy
Diamond Member
Why should rooting be necessary to activate functionality that Google or the carriers don't make available on their phone?
AMDZen
Lifer
Thats like asking why its necessary to install Adobe photoshop in order to "photoshop" pictures. Why is it necessary to install an app just to get decent SMS/MMS on android devices since the built in app sucks so bad? Why is it necessary to use a keyboard to type this reply - why can't I just think and make it appear with my mind.
Besides, there are android devices now that you cant install apps outside the marketplace unless you do the equivalent.
zsdersw
Lifer
There are some things of which you should be aware, but apparently aren't:
1.) Photoshop is not the only program that can edit pictures
2.) While some carriers lock down some of their Android phones, not all of them do
zsdersw
Lifer
That's not really the same. Rooting/jailbreaking are relatively advanced tasks. Installing an app isn't.
rudeguy
Lifer
So it would be fair of me to point out that you are probably worse than either group since you hate them both?
Why be so worried about what other think or do? Some people prefer contempt prior to investigation and that is their choice.
ChAoTiCpInOy
Diamond Member
Functionality built into the device that is disabled by the carrier isn't an advanced task either. It should be enabled for the user...
Spare me the insults...
Look there is nothing wrong with iOS, I think it's a really well put together OS, and it was absolutely revolutionary on the original iPhone. However I personally dislike how static the interface is, and I love how dynamic Android is.
What I'm sick of hearing from the Apple camp is how the "locked down" nature of the iPhone is a "feature", that makes the platform itself somehow better because it idiot-proofs the phone. Sure idiot-proofing is excellent if my mother is going to use the phone... because she certainly get herself into trouble on an Android phone. But for the vast public who competently use smartphones... locking the phone down offers no benefit to the user. So I'd really like iOS fans to stop touting it as a benefit.
Yes you can Jailbreak an iPhone... and then you can do SOME of the stuff that you can do on an Android phone without rooting. And alot of the stuff we really love... Widgets, homescreens, changing Launchers, etc... you can't do on an iPhone even when it's Jailbroken...
slackerinabox
Lifer
I'd gladly use iTunes (or one of the many alternatives) to load up my phone if that means I don't have to use an audio player as shitty as the ones I've used on android. But I digress, I like my Droid and my next phone will most likely be android based as well, so I don't have a bias either way... I just kinda think iOS is a little under rated by us nerds, I was very pleasantly suprised by it.
Is WiFi tethering easily possible on iOS4 (jailbroken of course)? That may be the deciding factor, it's a feature I use very often.
cheezy321
Diamond Member
And I am just pointing out that choosing contempt over actual research into the subject at hand is a pretty stupid way to go thru life.
Anyways, Ill stop bringing that up. Don't want to get any infractions.
cheezy321
Diamond Member
Show one quote in this thread (hell, or any thread) that states someone saying its a feature. You are using sound bytes that have no real life application (at least on this forum)
coolVariable
Diamond Member
I hate Macs and am not a fan of Apple but the iPhone 4 (and the 3GS and 3G before it) simply is the best phone available right now.
The hardware is solid and fast and the software is refined and thought-through.
The only "negative" that I can think of is the use of itunes.
Android is just a total mess. 2 years and it still feels like a beta product that is 1 month old. Half the features don't even work properly for everyone.
Bugs don't get fixed and Google instead throws out more and more "features".
It is impossible to use as a work phone.
And: it's a cr@pshoot whether your phone will get ANY updates or gets totally crippled by the carrier.
Bberry on the other hand is probably the best "work" phone but you can't do anything else.
WP7 could be killer if they combine (i) Apple's software finish, (ii) the draconian control over the OS (vs. carriers and manufacturers) and (iii) the abundance of android devices.
Otherwise, the iPhone is the best phone.
The hardware is solid and fast and the software is refined and thought-through.
The only "negative" that I can think of is the use of itunes.
Android is just a total mess. 2 years and it still feels like a beta product that is 1 month old. Half the features don't even work properly for everyone.
Bugs don't get fixed and Google instead throws out more and more "features".
It is impossible to use as a work phone.
And: it's a cr@pshoot whether your phone will get ANY updates or gets totally crippled by the carrier.
Bberry on the other hand is probably the best "work" phone but you can't do anything else.
WP7 could be killer if they combine (i) Apple's software finish, (ii) the draconian control over the OS (vs. carriers and manufacturers) and (iii) the abundance of android devices.
Otherwise, the iPhone is the best phone.
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Personally I dislike how slow, laggy, and ugly Android is. You see how this is all about preference? People like different things and people just need to accept that.
GeekDrew
Diamond Member
For what it's worth, my current full-time phone is an AT&T Captivate (Galaxy S). I've used a Droid X several times, and I've used prior-generation iPhones quite a few times. Never used an EVO. In my experience, the Galaxy S lags the most of all of them. I'm using LauncherPro as my home screen, and it almost always takes more than 1 second to draw the home screen when I switch to it from an app. God forbid I receive an email in K9... it takes 2-5 seconds to load K9. So yeah... I'm not terribly pleased with the Galaxy S.
I carried a Droid2 for a month - I got it and the Captivate at the same time. I installed the same apps on both of them (except for Trillian, which I can't install on the Captivate, because of AT&T's draconian policies). The Galaxy lags terribly, whereas I never got any lag - at all, ever, not even a single time - on the Droid2.
I know that the Droid2's GPU isn't spec'd comparably to the Galaxy S... what about it's other hardware? (I haven't looked it up recently... I'd memorized both of their specs immediately before buying them.) Why does (in my experience - I haven't read many comparisons between the D2 and DX or anything else) the D2 seem to fly, where everything else lags like hell? Is it really the Android 2.2 difference?
rudeguy
Lifer
Ummm....you are using 3rd party apps to replace the stock launcher and email client and then saying that because they lag, its the phone's fault?
I'm using a Vibrant with stock launcher and email client. It takes well under a second to return to my home screen unless I am playing a game. Usually just a fraction of a second. My email comes up as soon as I click on it.
Sigh....
The iPhone 4 is outdone in GPU performance by all Galaxy S phones, the Droid 2, and the Droid X. The iPhone 4 uses a stock PowerVR SGX 535 which is marginally faster than the original version of the PowerVR SGX 530. The main difference between the original 530 and the 535 is new instruction set support, not performance enhancements. The Droid 2 and X use a refreshed die shrunk 45nm PowerVR SGX 530 that is clocked nearly 100% higher than the PowerVR SGX 530 that most people think of, making it quite a bit more powerful than the one in the iPhone 4. Snapdragon chipsets are the only ones with a less advanced GPU than the iPhone 4.
CPU tests show a 1Ghz Snapdragon to be faster(and not by a small amount) than the A4 in the iPad(and thus the iPhone 4) if the Android device is using Froyo. Of course the OMAP and the Hummingbird are even faster than the Snapdragon.
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ChAoTiCpInOy
Diamond Member
It's not about the specs. It's what you do with it.
rudeguy
Lifer
the old "size of the worm" argument.
We all know what that says about the person saying it....
You're installing 3rd party software. From reviews all over the place the Galaxy S should be faster than the Droid 2.
Samsung has optimized Touchwiz for the Galaxy S phones to give you the fastest experience possible. You installing 3rd party software is slowing the Galaxy S phone down.
The 530 and 535 both are at 200mhz. Performance difference? Not quite sure.
"While the OMAP 3430 ran the GPU core at ~110MHz, the 3630 ramps it up to 200MHz. We’re seeing a lot of convergence around this 200MHz mark at 45nm. Intel runs the SGX 535 in Moorestown (Atom Z600 series) at 200MHz as well and I believe that’s what Apple uses in the A4 as well." - Anandtech
"From a CPU and platform perspective, TI’s OMAP 3630 appears to be just as fast as Qualcomm’s Snapdragon SoC. The two perform very similarly across the board regardless of benchmark. The OMAP most visible advantage is in its GPU. The PowerVR SGX 530, especially running at 200MHz in the OMAP 3630, is at least 50% faster than the present day competition in other Android phones. It should be similar to performance offered by Apple’s A4."
-Anandtech
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3826/motorola-droid-x-thoroughly-reviewed/6
GeekDrew
Diamond Member
What? You expect everyone to use only the applications that are factory installed on the phone? Bullshit. These phones, and the market, by definition, are designed to run applications that are not factory installed. LauncherPro and K9 are both *very* popular applications. For what it's worth, I was using the same apps, in the same configuration, on both phones (at least for a while, for comparison). Captivate sucked, Droid2 didn't.
Also, lag is a common complaint with the Captivate, from the people I've talked to in-real-life about it. I even talked to an AT&T rep that knows my phone preferences rather well, and he was surprised that I'm tolerating the Captivate crap. They just don't have anything better, or I wouldn't.
GeekDrew
Diamond Member
Yes, I'm well aware that installing third-party software can negatively affect a phone's performance. Without third-party software, I can't get the things done that I need to do. What do you expect? 😉
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