Yet one more reason to dump the UN

[charrison]

Gadaffi To Head Human Rights Body

Libyan leader Colonel Gadaffi is to head an international watchdog on human rights.

Gadaffi's one-year term begins next March.

 

[glenn1]

At first i thought this was an article from the onion, but i see that's sadly not the case.

It's small consolation, but i suppose it could have been worse... they could have chosen North Korea's Kim Jong Il or something.

 

[shiner]

Jeez what's next, letting OJ run a knife store?

 

[Amused]

Well, I no longer have to wonder what bodily orifice their heads are stuck in.

 

[JellyBaby]

I don't believe that article. That's like putting an arsonist in charge of fire prevention.

 

[ToBeMe]

I can't find that story anywhere else to verify it, but, if true, you're right.........we need to seriously consider pulling out because that's just sad on so many levels.................

 

[308nato]

Yes. It's true. Libya is on deck to head the human rights commission next year. The UN should be "encouraged" to move elsewhere in the near future.

 

[sandorski]

Everyone gets their kick at the can, that's what is great about the UN. Whine and cry all you want, but know this: organizations like the UN help the US probably more than anyone will ever know. They do this by exposing the isolated, poor, and hopeless nations of the world to the ideas and concepts that can help them rise out. This contact also helps to aleviate tensions by keeping contact with ones opponents and even hearing of opinions from third parties. How many wars have been prevented by this contact, who knows, but the Cuban Missile Crisis probably didn't escalate into nuclear war because of the UN.

Diplomats don't have jerky knees!

 

[Bulk Beef]

a Foreign Office spokeswoman said: "Our policy is to engage constructively with Libya, rather than isolate them."

Gee, that's swell. I feel all warm and fuzzy just reading that.

 

[glenn1]

How many wars have been prevented by this contact, who knows, but the Cuban Missile Crisis probably didn't escalate into nuclear war because of the UN.

I think that most would probably say that resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis had nothing at all to do with the UN. It was simply a matter of a strategic calculation by the USSR that they wouldn't be able to prevail in a conflict with the U.S. on a battlefield as it was being defined by Kennedy. The correlation of forces against the Soviets in such a situation was impossible for them to overcome, so they backed down. The UN had nothing to do with it, except for giving Nikita Krushchev a forum in which to take off his shoe and bang it on the podium.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

I have never supported the United Nations ever since they told the U.S. that we couldn't wear flags on our soldiers during Desert Storm and could only wear U.N. bullsh|t.

nik

 

[Alphazero]

This after electing Syria to the Security Council...

 

[IGBT]

UN is a nut case organization and the last refuge for the globalization/pyromentalists (communists) types and are working towards a world wide sales tax to fund their lunacy and redistribute your personal income. Don't you want to give them your money??

 

[jjones]

I'd like to make some sort of profound comment or even a clever repartee but I'm just too disgusted. The UN once again proving its worthlessness.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

As though it would be any less ironic for Bush to lead a Human Rights Body...

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
As though it would be any less ironic for Bush to lead a Human Rights Body...

The idiots are out in full force today. One this afternoon compares Bush to Saddam and now this one compares him to Gaddafi.

It's obvious that todays menu consisted of retard sandwiches in both FL and CA. and hivemaster and engine each had a couple.

Asshats.

 

[gopunk]

everybody (at least that i've heard of) that has met with him in recent years says he is a changed man, and has been since the death of his son. and he is a strong proponent of women's rights in his country.

there is an article in the november 2000 issue of national geographic about him.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

There's lots of good reading out there about the insecurity that causes people to call names.

DaveSohmer I think you made that comparison for me so that you could fit it into your spectrum of perception as something not worth any regard. Status quo is dangerous.

Read up on the meatpacking industry, companies like ConAgra and IBP, their disturbingly poor worker safety track records, the price fixing that drives all the little guys out of business, their huge market share they have that allows them to sell chemical, feces, disease laden garbage as meat. Now, guess who cripples facets of the Federal Government that are supposed to make sure these things don't happen? Mostly Republican politicians who coincidently recieve millions in campaign contributions from these industries.

This is just within the United States.

What about the international governments we support/have supported with terrible human rights records. We look the other way, as long as they are friendly to our business interests.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
There's lots of good reading out there about the insecurity that causes people to call names.

DaveSohmer I think you made that comparison for me so that you could fit it into your spectrum of perception as something not worth any regard. Status quo is dangerous.

Read up on the meatpacking industry, companies like ConAgra and IBP, their disturbingly poor worker safety track records, the price fixing that drives all the little guys out of business, their huge market share they have that allows them to sell chemical, feces, disease laden garbage as meat. Now, guess who cripples facets of the Federal Government that are supposed to make sure these things don't happen? Mostly Republican politicians who coincidently recieve millions in campaign contributions from these industries.

This is just within the United States.

What about the international governments we support/have supported with terrible human rights records. We look the other way, as long as they are friendly to our business interests.

The first time this country has to pay out for a lawsuit because Bush ordered the CIA to put a bomb on an airplane then you can make the comparison. Until then you are the exact ignorant troll I said you were.

 

[Moonbeam]

In a balancing contest of ironies I wouldn't think the winner would necessarily have to be the worst cirme committer, only the one whose actions were most distant from his retoric. Who would win that, I don't know.

Sandorski's post with the words kneejerk in them got me thinking how autonomic the condemnation of Kadafi is. I could be worng, but I bet most of the responders don't know very much at all about him. Of course I probably think that because I don't which is, I know, a poor way to reason.

Can a leopard change his spots. I posted some stuff a while back about Egyptian terrorists renouncing violence. Stuff happens. Bad people sometimes change, maybe because truth just stays truth no matter what you do.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: glenn1

How many wars have been prevented by this contact, who knows, but the Cuban Missile Crisis probably didn't escalate into nuclear war because of the UN.

I think that most would probably say that resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis had nothing at all to do with the UN. It was simply a matter of a strategic calculation by the USSR that they wouldn't be able to prevail in a conflict with the U.S. on a battlefield as it was being defined by Kennedy. The correlation of forces against the Soviets in such a situation was impossible for them to overcome, so they backed down. The UN had nothing to do with it, except for giving Nikita Krushchev a forum in which to take off his shoe and bang it on the podium.

The USSR's failure to successfully deny the US's allegation of the silo's, was a major embarrassment. Part of that embarrassment was due to the over the top defense from their representative, the other was being found out in the first place. Soon the whole world knew the truth and the world chose to support the US's position/actions. The USSR needed to end the controversy, as much as it didn't want(or being successful) to go to war.

 

[JellyBaby]

For those who feel tempted to believe Kadhafi and Libya are "not so bad" or "misunderstood" or "disenfranchised" check out this link on Libya's human rights record.Libya (with Kadhafi at the helm, like it or not, for 33 years now) has an appauling record.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Who's to say you aren't the ignorant troll? Why so defensive mr. retard asshat?

CIA has been involved in lots of shady stuff involving drugs and weapons trade in South America...how can one use a successful lawsuit as the USA as some kind of litmus test when the USA is essentially the judge and jury, the unilateral power broker. All kinds of special interests come into play.

The ends are the same, human rights are still blatantly violated by government, moreover, you have to take into account, as was said, whose "actions were most distant from his retoric".

I don't see what harm can come from this appointment. They're trying to be constructive...he's not going to burn a busload of babies as his first initiative. The nice thing about a group like the UN is that within the group power is at least somewhat spread, as opposed to say, entirely in the hands of a country that wages a "war on drugs" against it's own people, donates millions in aid to the impoverished (lowest percentage of GDP of all other first world nations), and billions in aid, much of which is weapons, to a country that's essentially acting as a puppet in an war over oil, and somehow thinks it can open it's mouth and talk about human rights.

 

[JellyBaby]

EngineNr9, lumping the US into the same category as Libya proves your ignorance and agenda. Libya's track record is an order of magnitude worse by any measure. I couldn't find a report on the US but here's one for the UK and another for Canada from the same site as the one for Libya.. Compare, contrast and learn.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby
For those who feel tempted to believe Kadhafi and Libya are "not so bad" or "misunderstood" or "disenfranchised" check out this link on Libya's human rights record.Libya (with Kadhafi at the helm, like it or not, for 33 years now) has an appauling record.

ok first off, these human rights watchdogs have complaints about everything. secondly, qaddafi is not libya. he's often times at odds with libya's congress and the people, especially when it comes to women's rights. an exerpt from national geographic:

Yet traditional attitudes, particularly with regard to the rights of women, persist in society at large - to the Leader's irritation. When the General People's Congress, Libya's version of a parliament, voted to withdraw the requirement for a husband to get his wife's permission before marrying a second spouse, he erupted in fury, both at the Congress and at the women for not using their right to speak out. "Your education is a waste of time. You are like furniture," he told a meeting of women shown on Libyan TV (which sometimes has its moments). "From now on, any law or measure connected with half of society that is decided in the absence of women is null and void," he declared, tearing up a text of the amended law and storming out of the meeting hall.

and frankly, i don't think it's that bad that he bans fundamentalist islam. he calls them "zanadiq" - heretics, and rightfully so, imo.