Yet Another Unintended Consequence of the CPSIA law.

[waggy]

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MIDDLETON, Wis. -- As police respond to traumatic events, sometimes children can be found sitting to the side of the emergency, feeling lonely and scared. For years, officers have comforted them with stuffed animals, but that's now changing.

Laws typically are meant to protect people and to make sure they're safe. The new Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act does that too, but it has law enforcement officers rethinking handing out stuffed animals because of the chemicals they might contain.

Middleton police Sgt. Don Mueller said that in the past, handing out the stuffed animals or other toys could help children feel a little better.

"If you can get them to open it up and start reading, it can take their mind off whatever the problem is we're passing them out for in the first place," Mueller said.



The CPSIA law is one of the worst fricken law ever written. it is driving small toy manufactures and business out. Now its hurting a good program.

this is rather sickening and the fact the goverment does not care. The only people who are benifiting from this law are the large toy manufactures (who are oddly exempt from the testing).

 

[techs]

Yes, lets go back to giving our kids lead toys.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: techs
Yes, lets go back to giving our kids lead toys.

suggestion. go read what the problems with the CPSIA law then get back to me.

the last "lead toys" were from a company that is now EXEMPT from having to have the toys checked via 3rd party.

the toys manufactures that are going to get hurt are small companies that have EVERYTHING made in the US. Such as clothing for dolls, plastic and kids motorcycles (really? wtf motorcycles?) and such.

not to mention any book pre 1985. etc


this is a very poorly written law. keeping lead out of the toys is good. but they need to look where those toys are coming from.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: techs
Yes, lets go back to giving our kids lead toys.

suggestion. go read what the problems with the CPSIA law then get back to me.

the last "lead toys" were from a company that is now EXEMPT from having to have the toys checked via 3rd party.

the toys manufactures that are going to get hurt are small companies that have EVERYTHING made in the US. Such as clothing for dolls, plastic and kids motorcycles (really? wtf motorcycles?) and such.

not to mention any book pre 1985. etc


this is a very poorly written law. keeping lead out of the toys is good. but they need to look where those toys are coming from.

Seriously, this law is part of the systematic pattern of corporate socialism that is flowing through all levels of this nation.

But it's okay, as long as none of those breaks help the little man, that would be too close to the scary C word for people in this country.

Nice way to strangle small businesses out of the market.

 

[waggy]

for those that don't know Mattel got nailed for brining in toys from China that had lead paint. they were one of the biggest importers of toys from China. BUT MATTEL pushed to get themselves exempt from it (ohh and they helped write the law)

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: techs
Yes, lets go back to giving our kids lead toys.

You're an idiot.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

So, is there any reason why these big manufacturers are exempt? Or is it a completely corrupt "just cuz" sorta thing?

 

[tasmanian]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
So, is there any reason why these big manufacturers are exempt? Or is it a completely corrupt "just cuz" sorta thing?

There official reasoning is probably because it would cost to much to check everything. But its more likely corruption.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
So, is there any reason why these big manufacturers are exempt? Or is it a completely corrupt "just cuz" sorta thing?

they claim that since they are so big they already have a good in house testing center. But really that falls flat since mattel is one of the worst offenders of bringing in lead tainted toys even with the in house testing.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: tasmanian

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
So, is there any reason why these big manufacturers are exempt? Or is it a completely corrupt "just cuz" sorta thing?

There official reasoning is probably because it would cost to much to check everything. But its more likely corruption.

According to the article waggy posted, they have to prove that they have their own testing program that meets the necessary standards.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: tasmanian

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
So, is there any reason why these big manufacturers are exempt? Or is it a completely corrupt "just cuz" sorta thing?

There official reasoning is probably because it would cost to much to check everything. But its more likely corruption.

According to the article waggy posted, they have to prove that they have their own testing program that meets the necessary standards.

Right. And it's hurting small business, consignment shops really hard. They can't afford to do the certification/testing. The fines or penalties for not being compliant are pretty steep.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: techs
Yes, lets go back to giving our kids lead toys.

You're an idiot.

No, that's what happens to kids who play with lead toys.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Seems this could be fixed if the law were only to apply to toys that are imported (in whole or in part) from other countries. Then, those little handmade toy companies struggling to make ends meet will be fully exempt from testing as long as everything they use to make their toys is from the US.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: techs
Yes, lets go back to giving our kids lead toys.

You're an idiot.

No, that's what happens to kids who play with lead toys.

Do you even know anything about the issue at all or are you just trolling? Are you aware that everything has to be tested even if it's impossible for it to contain lead, and the testing process is lengthy and very expensive?

The CPSIA is a convenient way for the huge toy manufacturers to eliminate their competitors. They pushed it through with bribes to our corrupt congresspeople and senators and with a "think of the children!" appeal. Meanwhile, they are exempt and are being allowed to police themselves. What a gigantic farce.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: techs
Yes, lets go back to giving our kids lead toys.

You're an idiot.

No, that's what happens to kids who play with lead toys.

Do you even know anything about the issue at all or are you just trolling? Are you aware that everything has to be tested even if it's impossible for it to contain lead, and the testing process is lengthy and very expensive?

The CPSIA is a convenient way for the huge toy manufacturers to eliminate their competitors. They pushed it through with bribes to our corrupt congresspeople and senators and with a "think of the children!" appeal. Meanwhile, they are exempt and are being allowed to police themselves. What a gigantic farce.

It's really sad.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Seems this could be fixed if the law were only to apply to toys that are imported (in whole or in part) from other countries. Then, those little handmade toy companies struggling to make ends meet will be fully exempt from testing as long as everything they use to make their toys is from the US.

Part of the problem with that is its killing the market for doll clothes. teh fabric has to be tested (each bolt) and much of the fabric comes from out of the US.

Also its killing the resale business of toys. since they have to have the toys tested before they can be sold. Garage sales fall under the law also. But the govement said they have do not have plans NOW of checkign garage sales.

I am also still trying to figure out why motorycycles are not exempt from this law. i had motorcycles growing up andi never remember sucking on the motor.

 

[PingSpike]

America. Where a law that is suppose to stop a corrupt company instead is morphed into something to destroy its competitors. Its pretty blatant and shameful even with my low expectations.

But hey, just call it "save kids from lead pain act" and at least a few tards will dry hump it.

 

[Eli]

I'm sorry, but I'm failing to see the issue. If the police can't buy stuffed animals that are deemed safe, well that is their problem.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: Eli
I'm sorry, but I'm failing to see the issue. If the police can't buy stuffed animals that are deemed safe, well that is their problem.

That's not the issue. The issue is big corporations pushing their own agenda to help create a government backed monopoly. This is hardly precedent setting....

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: Eli
I'm sorry, but I'm failing to see the issue. If the police can't buy stuffed animals that are deemed safe, well that is their problem.

That's a pretty dumb attitude. The police don't usually buy these, they get them donated by various organizations and they put them to good use. As such, there's no possible way they could guarantee that each and every toy has been tested and meets the qualifications. I suspect the Marines' toys for tots program is going to meet a similar fate, as will any program of donating toys to children in hospitals etc.

I consider myself pretty old and jaded, but this law is truly one of the most insanely absurd poorly written pieces of legislation ever, even by my standards.

The only companies that have ever been shown to have brought in huge amounts of led tainted toys, despite their so-called rigorous in-house testing processes are now exempt from having to demonstrate safety. Every other vendor, even garage sales, church sales, toys for tots donations etc, now has huge responsibilities and faces potential jail and fines over something that's never been an issue. Mattel and a few other large toy manufacturers have made the ultimate move to completely destroy small toy makers, while escaping any consequences for their led tainted products. Absolutely positively unbelievable, even for someone as jaded as myself.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Eli
I'm sorry, but I'm failing to see the issue. If the police can't buy stuffed animals that are deemed safe, well that is their problem.

part of the issue is they ARE SAFE. they just aren't going to pay the 5k+ per item to have it tested.

its easyer to throw them out.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Current state of affairs on CPSIA. Apparently fabric has now been exempted, but records must be kept in case of recalls. But the items that the fabric is attached too are not, so no real progress has been made.

And heres another tidbit (surprise, surprise, surprise Gomer Pyle):

(California Senators Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein were particularly identified with pushing the phthalates ban to enactment).

...with regard to a ban on plastic toys and old collectables which are now deemed "garbage", even if you had it 40 years and managed to survive...http://overlawyered.com/2009/0...-prompts-plastics-ban/

 

[TridenT]

Ah, YAUCOTCPSIALT... Really hate these.