Yet Another Stupid Ebayer (Is it me?): What should I do?

[Marauder-]

And yeah - I agree - not lying but deceptive. At $20 I'm sure those things would probably sell themselves even if used.

 

[ElFenix]

this is why i don't ebay.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
You did say "as is" but you're still being deceptive. You say "I am unable to test them" but you have tested them because you know that they're the ones that were rejected by someone because it died.

Bingo. Even though you are "unable to test them", you know that they would not test good.

Personally, I think it's very wrong to sell items that you KNOW are bad, and not tell the buyer. They think that they at least have a chance of getting a good product, when in reality, the deck is stacked against them from the outset.

 

[fr]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
You did say "as is" but you're still being deceptive. You say "I am unable to test them" but you have tested them because you know that they're the ones that were rejected by someone because it died.

Bingo. Even though you are "unable to test them", you know that they would not test good.

Personally, I think it's very wrong to sell items that you KNOW are bad, and not tell the buyer. They think that they at least have a chance of getting a good product, when in reality, the deck is stacked against them from the outset.

I agree with this and what Shaftatplanetquake said.

Why would you put "The battery lights up all 5 lights on the side when you press the button.
Sold As Is. I have no way of testing it," unless you wanted to intentionally deceive people?

 

[Shockwave]

I hope one of the buyers sees this thread and turns your ass in for mail fraud or something.
Its one thing if you really DIDNT know the status of the battery. But, taking it out of the QC Fail bin...You know damned good and well those batteries are NOT good. And the buyers do not.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
I hope one of the buyers sees this thread and turns your ass in for mail fraud or something.
Its one thing if you really DIDNT know the status of the battery. But, taking it out of the QC Fail bin...You know damned good and well those batteries are NOT good. And the buyers do not.

He may be misleading, but he isn't committing a crime. How about you leave the lawmaking to those who are not so goddamn reactionary and petty?

 

[Chaotic42]

It's his fault for not reading it completely, but I don't think that you should be selling stuff like this. If you give him his money back, good for you, you don't have to, but I think you should.

Just my $.02.

 

[Jugernot]

Yah, you sell hardware that was in the "bad" box at work as is? When you know full well they are in fact "bad" and not just old.

That's pretty low...

 

[dman]

Originally posted by: Jugernot
Yah, you sell hardware that was in the "bad" box at work as is? That's pretty low...

You should say 'USED' somewhere. Just because you say 'original' battery doesn't mean it's used. It could have been in storage for some time, etc. Original does not equal used. So, to the buyer it looks like these could be old stock but new (never used) batteries.

Anyway, I think the buyer should get a refund.

 

[kranky]

You're being deceptive.

 

[DurocShark]

Hmmm... New addition to my DNT list...

I'm getting tired of eBay. I listed my mountain bike coupla weeks ago. Guy who won said "I got excited and bid, but it will be a week or so before I can pay you." Fine, I let him slide 2 weeks. Then after a coupla nagging e-mails, "Sorry, I can't afford it." CRAP. Negs away, and now I have to go through all the eBay crap to get my $10 back. Sigh.

 

[edro]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
You did say "as is" but you're still being deceptive. You say "I am unable to test them" but you have tested them because you know that they're the ones that were rejected by someone because it died.

Bingo. Even though you are "unable to test them", you know that they would not test good.

Personally, I think it's very wrong to sell items that you KNOW are bad, and not tell the buyer. They think that they at least have a chance of getting a good product, when in reality, the deck is stacked against them from the outset.

For the last time..... I do NOT KNOW they are bad. They are usually returns from executives. Hell, sometimes the executives don't even know that you have to RECHARGE THEM for them to work. So when I get them back, sometimes they are only used once and just need recharged. They are OBVIOUSLY USED if the Buy It Now is at $20. If the LED power monitor says 5 Lights light up..... how is that deceptive? I am only stating what I observe about the battery. I DO NOT KNOW that the batteries are bad. And again, I have sold about 15 of these (for the same price, often in a lot) and the buyers were very pleased.

Arg...just read the auction and use comon sense.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Shockwave
I hope one of the buyers sees this thread and turns your ass in for mail fraud or something.
Its one thing if you really DIDNT know the status of the battery. But, taking it out of the QC Fail bin...You know damned good and well those batteries are NOT good. And the buyers do not.

He may be misleading, but he isn't committing a crime. How about you leave the lawmaking to those who are not so goddamn reactionary and petty?

Did I ask for asshat opnions? i didnt think so...Funny how asshat always ends up replying. A shame actually, theres soo many places asshat is needed, it must be hard for you to delegate your asshat.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: edro13

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
You did say "as is" but you're still being deceptive. You say "I am unable to test them" but you have tested them because you know that they're the ones that were rejected by someone because it died.

Bingo. Even though you are "unable to test them", you know that they would not test good.

Personally, I think it's very wrong to sell items that you KNOW are bad, and not tell the buyer. They think that they at least have a chance of getting a good product, when in reality, the deck is stacked against them from the outset.

For the last time..... I do NOT KNOW they are bad. They are usually returns from executives. Hell, sometimes the executives don't even know that you have to RECHARGE THEM for them to work. So when I get them back, sometimes they are only used once and just need recharged. They are OBVIOUSLY USED if the Buy It Now is at $20. If the LED power monitor says 5 Lights light up..... how is that deceptive? I am only stating what I observe about the battery. I DO NOT KNOW that the batteries are bad. And again, I have sold about 15 of these (for the same price, often in a lot) and the buyers were very pleased.

Arg...just read the auction and use comon sense.

from your auction:

Rechargeable laptop battery for Dell Latitude C,CP,CPi,CPx Series

Do you not see what is false about the above line.

 

[Kelemvor]

Originally posted by: edro13

Originally posted by: Alchemist99
You sell junk on ebay and whine when someone bitches??
Dude you deserve all the crap you get, I hope your Karma catches up to you!

SOLD AS IS means there is probably something wrong with it. Those batteries go for $60 new, so an unknown status one should go for around $20. Many people need a battery just to test with, or just to fill in their empty bay. The price reflects a lot about the product.

Sold AS IS just means it's sold as is. Doesn't mean it's bad, doesn't mean it's good. If you didn't put anywher ein your auction that these items were from a discard staash, then you are misleading peopel in your auction. That's like taking a hard drive with bad sectors that won't boot up that you got from a friend and selling it AS IS and Unable to Test. You know it's bad an dyou sold it anyway. I hope he turns you in or something.

 

[no0b]

Originally posted by: AthlonXP
avoid egay.

Theres No porn but don't open it at work.


I agree go to; www.egay.com

 

[CChaos]

I think I can help you keep this from happening in the future. Just put this in large bold letters at the top of your auctions:

"I "obtained" them from work from the "bad" box. When laptop battery start to suck, they buy new ones and throw them away. I take them and sell them on eBay for like $20 or so."

 

[dman]

Originally posted by: edro13

For the last time..... I do NOT KNOW they are bad. They are usually returns from executives. Hell, sometimes the executives don't even know that you have to RECHARGE THEM for them to work. So when I get them back, sometimes they are only used once and just need recharged. They are OBVIOUSLY USED if the Buy It Now is at $20. If the LED power monitor says 5 Lights light up..... how is that deceptive? I am only stating what I observe about the battery. I DO NOT KNOW that the batteries are bad. And again, I have sold about 15 of these (for the same price, often in a lot) and the buyers were very pleased.

Arg...just read the auction and use common sense.

but before you stated:

I "obtained" them from work from the "bad" box. When laptop battery start to suck, they buy new ones and throw them away. I take them and sell them on eBay for like $20 or so

So, somebody (the user) tested it and they considered it bad enought to need replacing. Had you mentioned that in the auction I'd say the buyer deserved what they got. You didn't. Just because you sold it As-Is doesn't mean you gave an accurate description of the item.

I really think you owe the buyer a full refund. You should eat the auction fees and s&h, $9 or so loss for you. Consider it an education in ethics. That's cheap. Next time you can put in an accurate description (used, considered bad but I haven't personally tested, etc) and if the battery still sells for $20 the buyer deserves what they get.

 

[Vic]

Deceptive auction. You deserve a negative.

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Shockwave
I hope one of the buyers sees this thread and turns your ass in for mail fraud or something.
Its one thing if you really DIDNT know the status of the battery. But, taking it out of the QC Fail bin...You know damned good and well those batteries are NOT good. And the buyers do not.

He may be misleading, but he isn't committing a crime. How about you leave the lawmaking to those who are not so goddamn reactionary and petty?

Did I ask for asshat opnions? i didnt think so...Funny how asshat always ends up replying. A shame actually, theres soo many places asshat is needed, it must be hard for you to delegate your asshat.

Seriously, we need to lock you two in a room together and be done with it. At least when only one of you emerges alive, you won't be bickering anymore...

 

[emmpee]

Originally posted by: edro13
For the last time..... I do NOT KNOW they are bad. They are usually returns from executives. Hell, sometimes the executives don't even know that you have to RECHARGE THEM for them to work. So when I get them back, sometimes they are only used once and just need recharged. They are OBVIOUSLY USED if the Buy It Now is at $20.

When you buy stuff from the Hot Deals forum at a nice price, do you "use common sense" and assume that the item is "OBVIOUSLY USED"? This isn't a proper leap of logic.

If the LED power monitor says 5 Lights light up..... how is that deceptive? I am only stating what I observe about the battery. I DO NOT KNOW that the batteries are bad. And again, I have sold about 15 of these (for the same price, often in a lot) and the buyers were very pleased. Arg...just read the auction and use comon sense.

Sorry man, but it's all about full disclosure. Put yourself in their position. Imagine you just picked up a pretty hot deal on ebay. After playing with it for a little while, you realize it doesn't work. Then, you find out the buyer snagged your item from a box clearly labeled "BAD". How would YOU feel?

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: edro13

Originally posted by: UncleWai
You should refund him the auction price subtract the auction fee and paypal fee.
If you are meant to sell "as is", you should put that in the auction title.

I just offered him his money back (minus shipping and eBay fees), if he ships to me first... I won't do anything better just because someone didn't read the auction.

Sounds like the right thing to do to me.

 

[JohnPaul]

Amazing! How can you possibly think that selling an item that was thrown in the trash by your employers is right. If they don't think they can make any money selling them at discount prices, then they are no good. That is all there is to it. Don't try and make it look like you don't know if they might be okay. You know they are no good. Try putting what you put in your initial post in your ebay page and see how that works out for you, and if not, why? I'll tell you why, because you know you are being deceptive, and by stating the truth, you'd not sell a single thing. I've got good mind to buy one just so I can leave you negetive feedback, which is precisely why I don't deal with ebay anymore, and also the reason I have a fake account, so I can give the proper feedback to jerks like yourself. Hope you enjoy your feedback, asshat.

John-Paul

 

[XZeroII]

You both are stupid. You for trying to sell a battery that you know is faulty and not mentioning it on your auction. He is stupid for actually buying something like that. You should both be booted from eBay, and have your computers confiscated and burned so your stupidity doesn't spread.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: edro13
I sold this guy two of these.
I "obtained" them from work from the "bad" box. When laptop battery start to suck, they buy new ones and throw them away. I take them and sell them on eBay for like $20 or so. I have sold about 15 of them in the past and now is the only time I have gotten a problem.

The dude says that my auction is "deceiving", and he wants his money back. I told him that the auction CLEARLY states "SOLD AS IS" and "I am unable to test them."

So he buys them, says that they only last 12 minutes and he wants a refund. He says that becasue we both have 100% positive feedback, he doesn't want to exchange negatives.... which I understand.

What should I do? I don't wanna just give him his money back (although I could). I mean the auction says SOLD AS IS! Ans yes, ALL 5 Lights DO light up on the battery when you press the button.

Any suggestions?

My opinion is that you did deceive him (although he doesn't know it). You knowingly took these batteries from the bad box. Your auction makes it sound like you have no idea whether or not the battery works properly when really you know quite well what will likely happen.

The question you should ask yourself is whether or not anyone would still buy the battery if you mentioned in your auction how and where you obtained the battery.

<---- Gets off his soapbox.

Since you are a self serving person you should refund him his money. The benefit you get out of it is that you don't get a negative so you can continue pelding batteries that are known to be bad to unsuspecting people.