Yet Another Public Employee Bailout: $26 Billion dollars down the drain

[Budmantom]

Down the drain? Is that what teachers do with their salary these days? And silly me thought they went out and spent it like everybody else.

So it would be better if they instead got unemployment for doing nothing right?

They could take a pay cut.

 

[brencat]

So teachers should NEVER get a lower raise or have to make cuts in what they make when the rest of thew world does during a recession? There are options besides CUTTING teachers as well. Like firing bad ones, reducing benefits (Making them actually PAY something toward healthcare), lowering raises.. etc..

Great plan from the left-wingers. Just throw more money at it, we can print more.

This.

 

[nobodyknows]

So Obama gives the federal employees their raises while screwing social security recipients, but now says the taxpayer can afford $26 billion to save 300,000 public employee jobs? That works oput to $86,666 per job?? WTF is he smoking up there??

 

[Acanthus]

The public school system is broken and throwing money at it is NOT going to fix it.

Hell, there are more administrators per student than there are teachers per student in my local big school district. There's no reason for that. We don't need four full-time grumpy old women in the Attendance Office of the local high school with 2700 students. Shitcan them and have the damn receptionist do it. There, I just saved the school district $200k/yr.

so elect a superintendent who will do that?

 

[StageLeft]

I don't know what they want from me it's like the more money we come across the more problems we see.

 

[spidey07]

I don't know what they want from me it's like the more money we come across the more problems we see.

Bomp.
Bomp, bomp, bomp.
Bump, bump, bump.
Bomp, bomp, bomp.

 

[Carmen813]

Sorry to interrupt your partisan outrage, but bill was deficit neutral. You'll need to find something else to complain about, may I suggest the fact that it helps public employees?

 

[Carmen813]

So Obama gives the federal employees their raises while screwing social security recipients, but now says the taxpayer can afford $26 billion to save 300,000 public employee jobs? That works oput to $86,666 per job?? WTF is he smoking up there??

Uh....Obama wanted to give SS recipients another $250 cost of living adjustment.

 

[theeedude]

long overdue

 

[spidey07]

Sorry to interrupt your partisan outrage, but bill was deficit neutral. You'll need to find something else to complain about, may I suggest the fact that it helps public employees?

What taxes were raised? Even the ap said it was paid for with increased taxes.

 

[drebo]

so elect a superintendent who will do that?

Unions won't let them.

 

[hal2kilo]

Great, so teachers get a pay raise while everyone else in the real world gets a pay cut and higher taxes. Didn't Obama say everyone needed to share the burden equally?

Do you actually have job when you leave your parents basement? Who's this everyone else. I got 18% raise last year and a 4.5% last month. All merit. Sucks to be you.

 

[ProfJohn]

Here is how this really happened...

States and local governments are short on money and need to cut spending. So they make a big deal about how they will have to cut teachers jobs and this forces the Democrats into action in order to save the jobs of hard working teachers "think of the children"

What is unreported is the simple fact that the local governments could cut spending from other departments instead of teachers, but eliminating jobs in parks & recreation doesn't get big headlines nor does it get billion dollar federal bailouts.

 

[rudder]

Good, money well spent as long as it's rare over the long-haul.

over the long haul this money will have to be paid back. Next year most states will have the same budget crisis. Rather than the states making intelligent budget decisions now, the feds will cut another check.

 

[Patranus]

over the long haul this money will have to be paid back. Next year most states will have the same budget crisis. Rather than the states making intelligent budget decisions now, the feds will cut another check.

What sections of the constitution grant the federal government the authority to cut aforementioned check?

 

[Hacp]

Uh....Obama wanted to give SS recipients another $250 cost of living adjustment.

Haha awesome. Baby boomers charging the credit cards of young people again.

 

[bamacre]

Bomp.
Bomp, bomp, bomp.
Bump, bump, bump.
Bomp, bomp, bomp.

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[her209]

??

Try again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twkh0YiInPM

 

[Carmen813]

What taxes were raised? Even the ap said it was paid for with increased taxes.

They ended an increase food stamp monthly allotment and closed a loophole that allowed foreign corporations to avoid taxes through some trickery.

 

[Carmen813]

Haha awesome. Baby boomers charging the credit cards of young people again.

I didn't say it was a good idea, just one he proposed. It didn't pass. Just pointing out that it seems kind of ridiculous to accuse him of wanting to hurt SS.

 

[Carmen813]

Here is how this really happened...

States and local governments are short on money and need to cut spending. So they make a big deal about how they will have to cut teachers jobs and this forces the Democrats into action in order to save the jobs of hard working teachers "think of the children"

What is unreported is the simple fact that the local governments could cut spending from other departments instead of teachers, but eliminating jobs in parks & recreation doesn't get big headlines nor does it get billion dollar federal bailouts.

Teachers are grossly underpaid. Good ones be should make 75k+ a year. Tutoring for 2 hours a day with 8 students in an inner city school demonstrated to me that anyone who can stay in that environment with 30+ students and an 8 hour day for years on end deserves a medal. Since we can't give them a medal, we should at least pay them well.

Cutting parks positions actually doesn't do much of a damn thing to help the budget. The NY governor already closed down our parks, it would have saved the state comparatively little...something like $100 million.

 

[tk149]

I kinda skimmed over the article. Did it mention how we were going to pay for this?

Democrats had earlier sought to finance the measure by adding to the more than $13 trillion U.S. national debt. Pressure from deficit hawks in both parties ultimately forced Democratic leaders to pay for the measure by cutting other programs and raising taxes.

Among the pay-fors chosen by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., was a $12 billion cut to food stamps that would cost a family of four $59 a month beginning in early 2014 and a tax increase that limits the ability of some U.S.-based multinational companies to use foreign tax credits to reduce their U.S. taxes.

"That would have the effect of driving jobs overseas," said Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.

I'm not surprised that the Dems just tried to charge the national credit card, but I am surprised that they ended up actually attempting to scrounge up some money for it.

 

[nobodyknows]

Haha awesome. Baby boomers charging the credit cards of young people again.

Yeah, dumb asses like you wouold rather spend it on phoney wars.

 

[tk149]

Sorry to interrupt your partisan outrage, but bill was deficit neutral. You'll need to find something else to complain about, may I suggest the fact that it helps public employees?

Democrats had earlier sought to finance the measure by adding to the more than $13 trillion U.S. national debt. Pressure from deficit hawks in both parties ultimately forced Democratic leaders to pay for the measure by cutting other programs and raising taxes.

Among the pay-fors chosen by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., was a $12 billion cut to food stamps that would cost a family of four $59 a month beginning in early 2014 and a tax increase that limits the ability of some U.S.-based multinational companies to use foreign tax credits to reduce their U.S. taxes.

"That would have the effect of driving jobs overseas," said Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.
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A vote scheduled for Monday had been postponed after an analysis by the Congressional Budget Office showed the measure would add to the federal deficit. Snowe and Collins also had been concerned about cuts to Navy shipbuilding accounts since the Bath Iron Works in Maine is so essential to the state's economy. Majority Leader Harry Reid got rid of those proposed cuts Monday night.

Reid orchestrated other changes to close an almost $5 billion deficit gap, including adjustments to a tax credit claimed by the working poor.
Collins has been a past supporter of giving states help with their budgets and was the driving force behind an aid package enacted in 2003 that added $20 billion to the deficit.
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The current measure is heavily backed by unions for teachers and public employees, key allies of the Democratic Party. The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees ran ads Wednesday in four Maine newspapers urging Collins and Snowe to help break the filibuster.

Hurt the rich, hurt the poor, help the unions. Yup, no outrageous vote buying there.

 

[ShawnD1]

So teachers should NEVER get a lower raise or have to make cuts in what they make when the rest of thew world does during a recession? There are options besides CUTTING teachers as well. Like firing bad ones, reducing benefits (Making them actually PAY something toward healthcare), lowering raises.. etc..

This is what I don't get about right wingers. This is how our typical monthly conversation goes in P&R:

Liberal: Medical costs are too high, we need <thing>!
Conservative: Get a real fucking job. One that has medical benefits.
Liberal: Should I be a teacher? They get medical benefits.
Conservative: Fuck no. Teachers should not get medical benefits, or the ones they do get should be just as expensive as if they weren't group benefits!

On one hand you think people should get medical benefits from their employer instead of getting it from the government, and that's fine. Then on the other hand you think employers should cut those medical benefits so that highly trained people with 4 and sometimes 6 years of university education don't get medical benefits? wat??