Yet another mass shooting in Germany

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
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2 dead in German courthouse shooting By ROLAND LOSCH ? 2 hours ago LANDSHUT, Germany (AP) ? A man opened fire at a courthouse in Bavaria on Tuesday, killing his sister-in-law and injuring two other people, German officials said. He then shot himself dead. The shooting took place at the administrative court in Landshut, 47 miles (75 kilometers) northeast of Munich. Prosecutor Christoph Stroetz said the incident appeared to stem from a long-running inheritance dispute. The man had been at a hearing on the dispute. During a break, the man ? a 60-year-old from nearby Dingolfing whose identity was not released ? pulled out a revolver. He shot his 48-year-old sister-in-law in the head, and she died at the scene. Two other people, a lawyer and another woman, suffered serious but not life-threatening injuries. The gunman then went into a courtroom and shot himself in the head before emergency services arrived at the scene. "The police did not fire a single shot," police spokesman Leonhard Mayer said. Investigators said the man had been licensed since 1974 to own three recreational firearms, including the revolver used Tuesday, and authorities had no record of him having violated firearms laws. Asked how the gunman was able to bring a weapon into the building, court spokeswoman Elisabeth Waitzinger said there are no checks on people attending civil cases of the kind the court handles. Bavaria's state justice minister, Beate Merk, called for increased security at court buildings, including stepped-up checks at court entrances. Mayer said there had been no warning of the shooting, which came "out of a blue sky." The court is located in a modern building outside the center of Landshut, a city of 63,000 people. Last month, 17-year-old Tim Kretschmer killed nine students and three teachers at his former high school in Winnenden, in southwestern Germany, before fatally shooting three others. Kretschmer then took his own life in an exchange of gunfire with police. Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Granted, their gun crime/murder rates are EXTREMELY low. This is an outlier, not a commonality. HOWEVER:

It's also an example that no matter what gun laws you institute, no matter how quickly or severely a government acts/reacts to mass killings - in the end, these things WILL ALWAYS happen.

There are going to be MANY more of these throughout the world btw, and especially in the US. These types of things are largely driven by socio-economic conditions (though not in this case) and our economic decay is impacting the world, or it's simply a facet of growing population (more people, more events) . I would expect this year to be the highest rates of crime and violence in nearly 30 years.

bold in article- the big problem which could have saved a life and the injuries

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: NeoV
the difference is that the entire country of Germany will be talking about this, bothered by it, and talking about what they can do to prevent it, or make it less likely to happen again.

Talk, by itself, does nothing. And since when is an event like this in America not national headline news? Oh wait, it is...

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: seemingly random
The problem is simple: there are too many people.
The solution is simple: stop having so many kids.

O.K, can the gov't. whack your balls off now? Or you want to do it yourself?

Yes, the implementation is touchy - not interested in anything draconian - maybe a pr campaign but religions would balk big time.

You agree with the basic premise though? (too many people fighting for the same resources)

What, do I agree that some German courtroom killing/suicide over an inheritance issue is a sign of global over-population?

Everyone is tsk'g tsk'g the growing violence in the world. I don't know if you've heard about all the violent deaths in the u.s. in the last couple of weeks or not. Expect this to continue and grow if the population continues to grow. It's not a complicated leap.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: seemingly random
The problem is simple: there are too many people.
The solution is simple: stop having so many kids.

O.K, can the gov't. whack your balls off now? Or you want to do it yourself?

Yes, the implementation is touchy - not interested in anything draconian - maybe a pr campaign but religions would balk big time.

You agree with the basic premise though? (too many people fighting for the same resources)

What, do I agree that some German courtroom killing/suicide over an inheritance issue is a sign of global over-population?

Everyone is tsk'g tsk'g the growing violence in the world. I don't know if you've heard about all the violent deaths in the u.s. in the last couple of weeks or not. Expect this to continue and grow if the population continues to grow. It's not a complicated leap.

Population has nothing to with this issue. Statistically, violence among humans on this planet was much higher when population and technology were much lower.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Vic
...
Population has nothing to with this issue. Statistically, violence among humans on this planet was much higher when population and technology were much lower.

By statistically, I assume you mean proportionally it. This may be true, I haven't researched. But the absolute numbers of those affected by violence is increasing. The media picks up on this and it looks like violence is increasing.

There have been exhaustive studies with animals on overcrowding. Overcrowding causes violence - even among the normally non-violent.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Vic
...
Population has nothing to with this issue. Statistically, violence among humans on this planet was much higher when population and technology were much lower.

By statistically, I assume you mean proportionally it. This may be true, I haven't researched. But the absolute numbers of those affected by violence is increasing. The media picks up on this and it looks like violence is increasing.

There have been exhaustive studies with animals on overcrowding. Overcrowding causes violence - even among the normally non-violent.

Malthus' theories assume a society with increases in population but otherwise stagnant in resources, technology, and behavioral morality. IOW, if humans were rats, your point would be true. Fortunately, humans are not rats. We have the ability to not just learn from our experience, but to teach and pass down to our descendants what we have learned so that they may benefit from it and build upon it. So IOW, we are not stagnant.

Now I'll grant you, absolute numbers have relevance to the individuals affected, and I respect that. But otherwise, they don't hold up. I suggest you research history. Statistically, war and violence among humans are at all-time historic lows, and dropping. We are becoming more peaceful, not less.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

I would expect this year to be the highest rates of crime and violence in nearly 30 years.

Many people are already expecting this. There seems to be a large number of Europeans imprisoning their children in basements or rooms and savagely abusing them. It's only getting worse.

Indeed, 1 is a very large number, especially compared to 10^-12...

Stop trying to deny reality. There is a serious inbreeding rape problem in European society. You are displaying the standard European cultural defensive reaction in pretending ills do not happen.

Just in the last few months there have been:

Austrian Josef Fritzl
Italian Fritzl
British Fritzl
Polish Fritzl
Slovenian Fritzl

Do you think that these are in-the-moment copycats? It's been happening for decades. It is a serious epidemic that is just ignored and will continue to become worse with people like you trying to pretend it doesn't exist. How many more children will be raped while you keep yourself blindfolded?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

I would expect this year to be the highest rates of crime and violence in nearly 30 years.

Many people are already expecting this. There seems to be a large number of Europeans imprisoning their children in basements or rooms and savagely abusing them. It's only getting worse.

:laugh: LOL!!!!!! :laugh:

You're a f'n trip man... do you still believe that Germany is to blame for 9/11?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

I would expect this year to be the highest rates of crime and violence in nearly 30 years.

Many people are already expecting this. There seems to be a large number of Europeans imprisoning their children in basements or rooms and savagely abusing them. It's only getting worse.

:laugh: LOL!!!!!! :laugh:

You're a f'n trip man... do you still believe that Germany is to blame for 9/11?

You still believe that Germany has no blame for its role in 9/11?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
I would expect this year to be the highest rates of crime and violence in nearly 30 years.

Many people are already expecting this. There seems to be a large number of Europeans imprisoning their children in basements or rooms and savagely abusing them. It's only getting worse.

:laugh: LOL!!!!!! :laugh:

You're a f'n trip man... do you still believe that Germany is to blame for 9/11?

You still believe that Germany has no blame for its role in 9/11?

:laugh: Keep 'em coming!