I'm curious about movie files and iCloud/iTunes match too. I have a bunch of digital copy movies that come with my Blurays in iTunes, and I wonder if I'll get access to them from iTunes match or if I can use iCloud on them. It'd make life easier.
And while I agree that I see some type of "fee" driven ownership, long term, I don't like it for the same reason we overpay for everything else.
They KNOW it's going to be in their favor! Just like your cell phone, home internet, etc. At a flat-fee, they ain't stupid. They will work it to their advantage EVERY time!
And to repeat what I said earlier about the music.........
Music you can drag/drop anywhere. (Heck, if you don't like using iTunes, you can use a plethra of other wares, but even within iTunes, you can drag/drop any music you want.)
Movies........No, no, no, no, no, no, no.....senor!!!
Media Monkey, etc. don't handle movies. iTunes c*ck blocks you at every turn.
My solution?? Quit buying movies via iTunes......FOREVER!!!
Borrow & rip/burn ILLEGAL
Rent & rip/burnILLEGAL
Trade & rip/burn ILLEGAL
Whatever. ANYTHING but buy from iTunes. Lots of options here that are not illegal, and cheaper than iTunes anyway, or at least can be, and much more versatile
I need to stop running into reasons to rant & start breaking free from the chains!
I am just wondering why you have been buying your movies through iTunes anyway.
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Kmax82 said:
From what I've seen it's possible to run the Android Netflix app on other phones just by editing a file to tell the app it's on a supported mode. To me, that means it's not calling any model/ROM-specific DRM functions but just instead only want to have to support a certain set of phones for the time being.
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*I* haven't. My kids have. Unfortunately, I am the foreman of their digital life!!
P.S. FIFY
*I* haven't. My kids have. Unfortunately, I am the foreman of their digital life!!
P.S. FIFY
When did they change their position on ripping/burning movies that you don't actually own? I mean, they barely seem to allow you to rip what you do own, forget about borrowing and trading.
How is borrowing and ripping any different from renting and ripping?
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Technically, the only thing illegal about doing any ripping/burning is that you bypass the coyright protection. So, basically it still creates the same hurdle some/most of the time. You are 100% allowed to create backup copies of anything you (cough) own,
BUT......the problem comes when they put copy protection on the media and create a loophole in the legal system that says it is illegal for you to bypass that by decrypting (which, obviously is as easily available as d/ling a free copy of dvdfab). Thus they put a virtual strangle hold on anything you *own*. (more legalistic horsesh!t, imho)
As an example of why it's not *always* true is that I literally just made my wife backup copies of the first 2 seasons of the TV series "Psych" to take with her to a friend's house last weekend to watch while our eldest daughter caught up with watching the rest of the original DVD's here at our house. We didn't want the originals to get fubar'd and there was literally zero copyright protection on them so DVDshrink was a quick operation that yielded great results. In a court of law, I counter sue for harrassment & punitive damages.
BUT......the problem comes when they put copy protection on the media and create a loophole in the legal system that says it is illegal for you to bypass that by decrypting (which, obviously is as easily available as d/ling a free copy of dvdfab). Thus they put a virtual strangle hold on anything you *own*. (more legalistic horsesh!t, imho)
As an example of why it's not *always* true is that I literally just made my wife backup copies of the first 2 seasons of the TV series "Psych" to take with her to a friend's house last weekend to watch while our eldest daughter caught up with watching the rest of the original DVD's here at our house. We didn't want the originals to get fubar'd and there was literally zero copyright protection on them so DVDshrink was a quick operation that yielded great results. In a court of law, I counter sue for harrassment & punitive damages.
Technically, the only thing illegal about doing any ripping/burning is that you bypass the coyright protection. So, basically it still creates the same hurdle some/most of the time. You are 100% allowed to create backup copies of anything you (cough) own,
Coughing isn't a neat way to sidestep the laws and regulations that are in place. I am not going to say that I have been perfectly toeing the copyright party line, but to blatantly declare that you are planning on breaking said laws and regulations is probably ill advised.
Just because you feel it is horsesh*t as you put it, doesn't make it ok for you to ignore it.
As an example of why it's not *always* true is that I literally just made my wife backup copies of the first 2 seasons of the TV series "Psych" to take with her to a friend's house last weekend to watch while our eldest daughter caught up with watching the rest of the original DVD's here at our house. We didn't want the originals to get fubar'd and there was literally zero copyright protection on them so DVDshrink was a quick operation that yielded great results. In a court of law, I counter sue for harrassment & punitive damages.
When you say 'copyright protection' i think you mean copy protection. There is still almost certainly a copyright on the material that dictates that you may not create copies of it.
I don't disagree with you that the system is broken. There shouldn't be any reason why I cannot send in the UPCs from all my DVDs and get codes to download them through iTunes or Amazon. And the DRM situation has changed for music. All songs on iTunes used to be DRMed, now almost none of them are (a fact that escapes most people), it will (hopefully) only be a matter of time before the same is true of the movie industry. I think part of why it has happened with music is A: the iPod and its ilk and B: songs are only a few megs in size. Storing and downloading them is significantly less of an issue than storing and downloading movies, even at DVD quality you are looking at a couple of gigs for a movie, 4 or 5 MB for a song.
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Technically, the only thing illegal about doing any ripping/burning is that you bypass the coyright protection. So, basically it still creates the same hurdle some/most of the time. You are 100% allowed to create backup copies of anything you (cough) own,
BUT......the problem comes when they put copy protection on the media and create a loophole in the legal system that says it is illegal for you to bypass that by decrypting (which, obviously is as easily available as d/ling a free copy of dvdfab). Thus they put a virtual strangle hold on anything you *own*. (more legalistic horsesh!t, imho)
As an example of why it's not *always* true is that I literally just made my wife backup copies of the first 2 seasons of the TV series "Psych" to take with her to a friend's house last weekend to watch while our eldest daughter caught up with watching the rest of the original DVD's here at our house. We didn't want the originals to get fubar'd and there was literally zero copyright protection on them so DVDshrink was a quick operation that yielded great results. In a court of law, I counter sue for harrassment & punitive damages.
You pretty much answered everything in your first sentence. The illegal part is bypassing the protection, which for most things is required to make a backup. So the vast majority of backups are illegal, plain and simple. People like to use the "fair use" excuse, but that has failed multiple times in court.
And that's just the stuff you own. If you borrowed or rented it isn't legal in any form. I don't understand why you'd think otherwise, that's the law. It's been proven several times over that if you don't have the physical discs in your possession then you'll get shafted immediately.
Now I'm not saying I agree with the law, I'm just saying that's how it is. You can't argue it and you wouldn't win in court. People like to think otherwise, but they just don't understand how it works. Now I'm not a lawyer, but I've had enough Corporate, Business, and IP Law to get a feeling when somebody is just using fancy legal terms and don't really know what they're talking about. This happens a lot on the internet when people talk about copyrights.
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Believe it or not, it's actually even more complicated than that. Some of the latest court cases have been ruling nonsense. Things like, "It's legal to own a backup copy of a DVD you own. However, it's illegal to buy, sell, use, etc. the software. Or at least software that has hardware support."
It's quite a mess, but I do believe we're very close to putting that behind us. The MPAA is starting to narrow their own path based on precedents that are losing support from judges here in the U.S. (iTunes DRM anyone?)
Thus (getting back to topic) I foresee putting all of my movies into a central location/server. Of course, they won't be decrypted yet, right? Right! And if you don't believe me, just ask me. I'll tell ya!
It's quite a mess, but I do believe we're very close to putting that behind us. The MPAA is starting to narrow their own path based on precedents that are losing support from judges here in the U.S. (iTunes DRM anyone?)
Thus (getting back to topic) I foresee putting all of my movies into a central location/server. Of course, they won't be decrypted yet, right? Right! And if you don't believe me, just ask me. I'll tell ya!
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Believe it or not, it's actually even more complicated than that. Some of the latest court cases have been ruling nonsense. Things like, "It's legal to own a backup copy of a DVD you own. However, it's illegal to buy, sell, use, etc. the software. Or at least software that has hardware support."
It's quite a mess, but I do believe we're very close to putting that behind us. The MPAA is starting to narrow their own path based on precedents that are losing support from judges here in the U.S. (iTunes DRM anyone?)
Thus (getting back to topic) I foresee putting all of my movies into a central location/server. Of course, they won't be decrypted yet, right? Right! And if you don't believe me, just ask me. I'll tell ya!
Yes, overall it's more complicated but the main point is that it's illegal to distribute or use copyrighted material for which you don't own a license. The RIAA and MPAA may be a bunch of douchebags that don't understand the Internet, but that doesn't mean their products are free for you to do what you please. If you own the disc and have broken things like decss in order to have a digital copy to watch on other devices I'm sure you'll be fine, but good luck convincing a judge that copying your friend's music and movies is legal regardless of how many cassettes you copied growing up. =)
Itunes -> Advanced -> Turn on home sharing
keeps your itunes library in sync. Then if you all want different content, manage the transfer to/from devices manually.
keeps your itunes library in sync. Then if you all want different content, manage the transfer to/from devices manually.
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I forgot all about Home Sharing, it is a relatively new thing. OP, this might help you out.
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think one would learn the first timeD:
let me help you out, stop using Apple, its just not working for ya.
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I was actually more a vinyl to cassette man myself.
And remember.......first, you have to find an impartial judge. Second, you'd better hope, if you're the MPAA & impartial or not, you don't end up with a judge like Patel, who, using the same precedents that were giving them some support in the past, aren't the very precedents used now by rather unforgetful attorneys to take the legs out from under that very same support turning those same arguments against them today.
And, I'll check out homesharing to see if that helps this week's iTunes debacle. Thanks again!
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Nothinman
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I was actually more a vinyl to cassette man myself.
And remember.......first, you have to find an impartial judge. Second, you'd better hope, if you're the MPAA & impartial or not, you don't end up with a judge like Patel, who, using the same precedents that were giving them some support in the past, aren't the very precedents used now by rather unforgetful attorneys to take the legs out from under that very same support turning those same arguments against them today.
Unless our copyright system gets a major overhaul the only legs you have to stand on are right of first sale, fair use and backups and none of those apply to making copies of your friend's discs to avoid iTunes. =)
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Nothinman
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Ya......kinda' like drivin' 46 in a 45. No major overhaul needed.
Car analogies in general don't work well, but I think this is one of the worst I've seen yet...
Interesting. I hadn't kept up on that, so I didn't realize it was that easy to bypass.
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I think they're finally getting to the point of realization that it's costing them much more to pursue this stuff than it's saving them.
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Interesting. I hadn't kept up on that, so I didn't realize it was that easy to bypass.
Not only is it that easy, but you don't even have to do that anymore. All you have to do is find the apk that already has it done. xda-dev has it somewhere. I've used it on my Nook Color and it worked well enough.
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Music you can drag/drop anywhere. (Heck, if you don't like using iTunes, you can use a plethra of other wares, but even within iTunes, you can drag/drop any music you want.)
Movies........No, no, no, no, no, no, no.....senor!!!
Media Monkey, etc. don't handle movies. iTunes c*ck blocks you at every turn.
My solution?? Quit buying movies via iTunes......FOREVER!!!
Borrow & rip/burn
Rent & rip/burn
Trade & rip/burn
Whatever. ANYTHING but buy from iTunes.
I need to stop running into reasons to rant & start breaking free from the chains!
I am just getting back to this thread and, boy, no wonder I was confused - Who BUYS movies from iTunes? It is such an odd thing to do that I did not even think of it when trying to deal with OPs situation.
The first part of the solution is to tell your kids to not buy movies from iTunes. If they do, they are on their own. Period.
As for your solutions:
Making copies of DVDs you borrowed or rented to put on your computer/iPod is clearly illegal under current laws (at least in the U.S.). You may feel morally right, but the law is pretty clear.
Making copies of DVDs you own (i.e. traded money, other DVDs or sexual favors for) to put on your computer/iPod is probably legal as long as you retain ownership of the original DVD. Once you get rid of the actual DVD, it appears that you would no longer have the right to a digital copy.
A lot of people forget that you do not actually "own" the movie on the DVD. You own a license to the movie (which is linked to the physical DVD). That license has terms that limit your use of the movie. You may have paid for it, but you do not own it in the sense most people think of ownership.
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This is a interesting thread to follow.
I have two itunes accounts but have mostly used only one over the years. I created both around 2008.
I just recently got signed back into one after a year or two of not touching it and was reminded that I had a decent amount of iTunes credit left in it I forgot about.
Apparently there's no way though to transfer that credit to my other itunes account, which really sucks and is annoying and frustrating.
More than ever with ios5 coming out and syncing purchases I want to just consolidate down to one account but I have no way of taking apps, movies and songs I've purchased in the one account and moving them over to the other.
What if someone tied an account to an email they know they'll soon no longer have access to such as a ISP provided email or work email?
Why doesn't Apple have a solution for this? Seems crazy to me.
I have two itunes accounts but have mostly used only one over the years. I created both around 2008.
I just recently got signed back into one after a year or two of not touching it and was reminded that I had a decent amount of iTunes credit left in it I forgot about.
Apparently there's no way though to transfer that credit to my other itunes account, which really sucks and is annoying and frustrating.
More than ever with ios5 coming out and syncing purchases I want to just consolidate down to one account but I have no way of taking apps, movies and songs I've purchased in the one account and moving them over to the other.
What if someone tied an account to an email they know they'll soon no longer have access to such as a ISP provided email or work email?
Why doesn't Apple have a solution for this? Seems crazy to me.
MotionMan
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I keep wondering what will happen to online accounts with value, like an AppleID with music, movies and apps, when people die. I would think that, eventually, there will have to be a way to transfer purchases or merge accounts.
MotionMan
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