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Yet another Democrat sucking up to a murdering dictator

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woolfe9999 said:
Oh, one more point to put the final nail in this. One of the linked stories - the allegedly liberal Washington Post - is an editorial entitled "Rep. Kucinich takes the side of Syria’s murderous dictator," and PJ complains that it isn't on the front page...

PJ, you should have stuck to just criticizing Kucinich.
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It is sad that the liberals on this board are more worried about my media bias claim than the fact that a sitting member of congress went into Syria and provided propaganda to a mass murdering dictator.
 
I don't see the big problem with what he said.

The Assad regime has in fact done an about face on this and is trying to work out the requested reforms. The regime is for the first time allowing protestors to meet in the open and have stated their desire work it out. So it's not great by our standards but it's certainly preferable to a "Libya"-like outcome.

Does that excuse what has already happened? No absolutely not, but he wasn't making excuses for Assad, so I'm not sure what the beef is.

"So I think, though, that while one cannot be rushed into it, it’s important not to try to set back reforms that can be brought about now."

Democracy doesn't happen overnight but moving there as rapidly as is feasible is what is best for all of the Middle East.
 
ProfJohn said:
It is sad that the liberals on this board are more worried about my media bias claim than the fact that a sitting member of congress went into Syria and provided propaganda to a mass murdering dictator.
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No, I'm way more interested in the Kucinich issue itself. YOU'RE the one and only person who made the media an issue in this thread.

What I think is an interesting topic is why some liberals come across as apologists for all sorts of foreign behavior that runs counter to their own ideologies. That's an interesting discussion. Your media bias claim is a cliche and wasn't well supported in this case.
 
ProfJohn said:
It is sad that the liberals on this board are more worried about my media bias claim than the fact that a sitting member of congress went into Syria and provided propaganda to a mass murdering dictator.
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What the fuck? You're the one making the claim about media bias. Dumbass.
 
woolfe9999 said:
No, I'm way more interested in the Kucinich issue itself. YOU'RE the one and only person who made the media an issue in this thread.
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her209 said:
What the fuck? You're the one making the claim about media bias. Dumbass.
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Thread title is about sucking up to a dictator.
90% of the OP is about sucking up to a dictator.
3 lines are about the lack of media attention.

Only four responses so far has addressed what Kucinich said. Two of them apologized or tried to deflect and two of were concerned with what he said (woofe) being one of them.

But the vast majority of posters in this thread have completely ignored what Kucinich said and instead focused on the side show issue.
 
ProfJohn said:
Thread title is about sucking up to a dictator.
90% of the OP is about sucking up to a dictator.
3 lines are about the lack of media attention.

Only four responses so far has addressed what Kucinich said. Two of them apologized or tried to deflect and two of were concerned with what he said (woofe) being one of them.

But the vast majority of posters in this thread have completely ignored what Kucinich said and instead focused on the side show issue.
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I don't think Kucinich himself is all that interesting, per se. He's an extremist. His remarks are offensive. He claims he was misquoted, but he said several offensive things and he couldn't have been misquoted on all of them. So he's a douche.

You're getting at a hypocrisy in liberal attitudes toward foreign policy though. Liberals used to criticize the US government for cozying up to right wing dictators during the cold war. But most liberals probably disagree with Kucinich and his specific remarks in this specific case so Kucinich is an example but not one reflective of the mainstream. Yet Kucinich is just a somewhat more extreme version of foreign policy views that are typical on the left. So the wider topic remains interesting.

- wolf
 
ayabe said:
I don't see the big problem with what he said.

The Assad regime has in fact done an about face on this and is trying to work out the requested reforms. The regime is for the first time allowing protestors to meet in the open and have stated their desire work it out. So it's not great by our standards but it's certainly preferable to a "Libya"-like outcome.

Does that excuse what has already happened? No absolutely not, but he wasn't making excuses for Assad, so I'm not sure what the beef is.

"So I think, though, that while one cannot be rushed into it, it’s important not to try to set back reforms that can be brought about now."

Democracy doesn't happen overnight but moving there as rapidly as is feasible is what is best for all of the Middle East.
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It's ProfJohn, he's a fucking retard (fuck you Sarah Palin I'll use this word as much as I want) and is becoming as bad as Spidey and Anarchist and Dave (I feel he's well past Craig at this point). Perhaps if we ignore him he'll go away.
 
OrByte said:
Well PJ, tell us, what did Kucinich say that you have a problem with?
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Everything? 🙂

"What I learned from my meeting with President Assad is that he does care about what’s happening, that he wants to respond, that he’s thinking about the different ways that would be… the best way to address the needs of the people. And that’s what he is talking about. He’s talking about the people. He’s very engaged in that kind of a discussion. Frankly, that’s a positive development."
I guess he is right, not killing people is a positive development, but does Assad really care?

Speaking about the future of Syria and talks between the government and opposition.
"Reporter: And not be rushed into it, I think that is very important.

Congressman Kucinich: There is no rushing. You have to unfold…

Reporter: Due to outside pressures…

Congressman Kucinich: You have to unfold democratic traditions. We’re still working on it, in our own United States, after more than some 230 years. So I think, though, that while one cannot be rushed into it, it is important not to try to set back reforms that can be brought about now."
So what is going on in Syria is similar to what we are working on in the US today?

This is textbook liberal equivocation at work. Syria has problems with their government, the US has problems with their government, thus Syria and the US's problems must be similar.

Speaking of violence
"Congressman Kucinich: Yes, and so we have to be aware of that, that it is possible. Do I know that it happened? No, I don’t know that. That is why you have an investigation, in Syria, that the government has supported, to find out how the violence occurred."
I think we all know what happened. The government killed people in the street.
 
thraashman said:
It's ProfJohn, he's a fucking retard (fuck you Sarah Palin I'll use this word as much as I want) and is becoming as bad as Spidey and Anarchist and Dave (I feel he's well past Craig at this point). Perhaps if we ignore him he'll go away.
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So you have no problem with a member of congress going to a country and supporting a dictator who is killing people in the streets?
 
Kucinich is a true nutter, representative of a section of progressives who embrace anything and everything that is anti-American. Conservatives embrace murderous dictators who are pro-American, at least by local standards; progressives embrace murderous dictators who are anti-American. Incidentally, the Obama State Department has been promoting Assad as "a reformer" - which near as I can tell means a dictator willing to embrace new ways of killing anyone who threatens his total power.
 
ProfJohn said:
An opinion piece.

Story does not appear on their main page, or the politics page or the world events page.


A little better. But The Atlantic is not exactly a main news source for many people.


It is on their news and commentary blog. Not on the front page, but there is a little story on their news section.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
Not on the front page, a little 10 word text on the politics page that says "Kucinich: I am working to end the violence in Syria"

CNN.com
Not on front page, not on World, not on Politics. There is a small link to a Anderson Cooper video, but I can't get the video to play. Otherwise you have to search the page in order to find the story.

http://www.nytimes.com/
Not on front page, not on world, not on politics either. In fact you can't even find the story on nytimes.com.

NPR limits it too a blog as well.

So basically if you want to read about the story you have to dig to find it.
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It's not even on the front page of foxnews.com or even drudgereport.com. It must be because of the liberal biases of both of those sites.
 
werepossum said:
Kucinich is a true nutter, representative of a section of progressives who embrace anything and everything that is anti-American. Conservatives embrace murderous dictators who are pro-American, at least by local standards; progressives embrace murderous dictators who are anti-American. Incidentally, the Obama State Department has been promoting Assad as "a reformer" - which near as I can tell means a dictator willing to embrace new ways of killing anyone who threatens his total power.
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This is a superificial treatment of the issue but largely correct. However, I want a source on the allegation contained in your final sentence.

- wolf
 
jhu said:
It's not even on the front page of foxnews.com or even drudgereport.com. It must be because of the liberal biases of both of those sites.
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Damn them!!! The whole world is out to get us conservatives!!! 😡

BTW it is on drudge, just to look, does not use his name.
 
Poofjohn straining at gnats and back-pedaling at the speed of light. Same old same old. When you get an opinion not out of a right-wing thinktank email, please let us know.
 
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WHAMPOM said:
Poofjohn straining at gnats and back-pedaling at the speed of light. Same old same old. When you get an opinion not out of a right-wing thinktank email, please let us know.
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Yes, ProfJohn is as bad as Dennis Kucinich. Let's talk about how dumb he is instead of the fact that Kucinich is supporting a fascist dictator.
 
Throckmorton said:
Kucinich is a piece of shit. Why is he Jane-Fonda-ing it up with Bashar al-Assad? And what do his far-left fans think of this?
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Probably many of his fans agree with him. They are, after all, by definition, "far left" or they wouldn't be his fans. The real question is why does anyone the left support right-wing dictators. It's quite a conundrum indeed.
 
ProfJohn said:
The video makes me sick. Palin may be an air head, but at least she doesn't defend mass murderers.

Question: There is a very unfair image of President Assad in the West and In America at the moment, wouldn't you say?

His answer: In the affairs of state, it’s not unusual for one day a leader to be in a negative light, and the next day, they are in the positive light... (video cuts there)

Maybe he is looking for a new job?
Damascus Dennis?
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Does the name Saddam Hussien ring a bell?
 
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/58027.html

“He is lending legitimacy to a regime that has lost legitimacy,” Safi said. “This is for internal consumption. For many Syrians, if a congressman comes to see Assad, they think that he represents the government. … Living under a dictatorship, they think that anyone who meets with the president from congress is representative of the U.S. position on Syria.”
 
Hmmm....

1. PJ posts misleading thread
2. PJ gets proved wrong about what he thinks is correct
3. PJ moves goalposts to try and defend himself
4. PJ gets proved wrong again
5. PJ moves goalposts second time to try and defend himself
6. PJ gets proven wrong yet again.
7. PJ goes "WAAAAAAHHHHHH......librul media.....WAAAAAHHHHHH"

So typical that this happens several times a week without fail.
 
We could also bitch about Richard Nixon opening relations with our enemy, Red China. Mao was certainly anything but a quiet, peace-loving altar boy...😉
 
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