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Yet another democrat campaign finance scandal brewing...

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Anyone watch Meet the Press Sunday? The two Republican strategists on the panel brushed this non-issue aside, recognizing that candidates accept contributions from thousands of sources and it's impossible to vet them all. They didn't blame Hillary, probably because this is an issue that is out of a candidate's control and could easily hit (and has, and will likely again) any of the Republicans as well.
No one expects them to vet every single donor; It is impossible. But you better believe when someone is raising/donating $100,000+ they are on a first-name basis with the candidate. For Billary to try and deny any knowledge is facetious at best.
As I pointed out earlier in the thread to Cad, Mary Matalin, noted Republican spokesman and strategist, disagrees with you, and she knows infinitely more about it than you do. Believe whatever your partisan bias dictates, but Republicans who know what they're talking about say this is a non-story.
 
with him on the lam, it is a non story.

When a donor shows up with a very large amount, the campaign is either careless in vetted or is so blinded by the glare of funds that they refuse to ask the questions that they know should be asked.

The fact that is happened to Bill previously and now has happened to Hillary in the same type of package seems to indicate that they are blinkded by the glare.

Dumping the funds afterwards is fine, but the fact they accepted the funds in the first place could make one wonder.

And then Bill standing up for the guy adds to the confusion
 
Dumping the funds afterwards is fine
do we actually know Hillary has "dumped" any funds?

she isn't even giving up all the money Hsu donated!! She's "giving to charity" $23,000...he's given her WAY more thamn that, directly, and as a "bundler..

NYT's

and we have no proof of, nor the identity of the "charity" Hillary is giving the money to...she's gonna launder the money through a "non-profit", probably Bill's library in Arkansas....

complete lies and obfuscation from the Clinton's....always follow the money......

 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
complete lies and obfuscation from the Clinton's....always follow the money......

Unfortunately it is often very hard to follow. And people have a habit of disappearing. :laugh:
 
"WASHINGTON (Map, News) - It is surely among the most astonishing developments of the present campaign season that Norman Hsu, a star Democratic fundraiser, has been on the lam for 15 years after pleading no contest to felony grand theft charges. He faced a three-year California prison sentence when he fled America.

Hsu?s case raises so many disturbing questions that it is difficult to know where best to begin. But let?s start with this: Where was the U.S. Department of Justice for the past 15 years? Hsu?s plea was to California charges, but pleading no contest to charges of running a Ponzi scheme designed to defraud investors of $1 million and then disappearing overseas surely merited federal attention. Did California authorities fail to inform the feds? Or did the feds just look the other way? Somebody in California and Washington needs to step forward to answer these questions.

Then there is the question of what Hsu has actually been doing for these many years on the lam. Prosecutors have said they thought Hsu skedaddled to Hong Kong, where he ran an operation that imported latex gloves. At some point thereafter, Hsu ended up in New York, allegedly in the fashion industry, but his main mark has been made with lavish campaign contributions to Democratic candidates and associated groups.

Considering the many contact points between the 1996 Clinton re-election campaign and Chinese-connected donors like Johnny Chang, federal officials should get some credible answers about Hsu?s activities during those years before he landed in Manhattan rubbing elbows with the bright lights of Democratic politics.

This is doubly important because it is hard to find a leading light among the Democrats who hasn?t benefited from Hsu?s seemingly boundless largesse. New York blogger Flip Pidot of SuitablyFlip.com went beyond FEC data to the National Institute on Money in State Politics and various municipal databases to total Hsu contributions. He came up with nearly $1.6 million in donations, all to Democrats and Democratic organizations.

Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., is by far the recipient of the biggest chunk of Hsu?s money and influence. Clinton has pledged to give to charity the nearly $23,000 she received directly from Hsu, but she is keeping the remainder ? nearly $152,000 in contributions from Hsu associates.

Next comes New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer and Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, each with $60,100 in direct Hsu contributions. Reportedly, Spitzer is returning $17,000 and Cuomo $10,000.

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., Clinton?s leading rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, got $7,000 directly from Hsu and another $24,600 from Hsu associates. Obama is not returning the Hsu money. Other recipients include San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsome ($7,500, mostly from Hsu associates) and Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va. ($3,500 from Hsu associates).
"


gee...seems like most of "tainted money" doesn't smell so bad!!
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
I'm sure virtually all of the major candidates of both parties have accepted tainted contributions. It's all the same shade of green.

Of course. Money talks...

I meant that no one should be "held to a higher standard" ... they ought to all be scrutinized equally. In this case, it may not even be Hillary being held to a higher standard, just the fact that this type of scandal occurs far too often in a Clinton campaign.

Mitt Romney has a money problem as well.....

oh my!

Why are you bringing that up in this thread? I read about that weeks ago in one of the Boston papers online(don't remember which one) and I think the NYTimes did a piece on it too. I however, don't see how it's relevant to the Clinton case we have here(unless you are trying to play the who is "worsterestor" game and even then Clinton wouldn't stand a chance 😛 ) But seriously - start your own thread if you think it's important for people to hear about the guy but I imagine most anyone who reads politics(blogs and online newspaper editions) heard atleast something about it.

I posted the story, not as a "who's worse" but to see what the reaction would be... As expected, those folks looking to attack Hillary ignored or glossed over the Mitt Romney issue.

So, if we have those folks who are scrambling for table scraps to make into an issue, should they not be consistent in their pursuit?

If not, then why take anything seriously that's been posted from some of you as of far....
 
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
I'm sure virtually all of the major candidates of both parties have accepted tainted contributions. It's all the same shade of green.

Of course. Money talks...

I meant that no one should be "held to a higher standard" ... they ought to all be scrutinized equally. In this case, it may not even be Hillary being held to a higher standard, just the fact that this type of scandal occurs far too often in a Clinton campaign.

Mitt Romney has a money problem as well.....

oh my!

Why are you bringing that up in this thread? I read about that weeks ago in one of the Boston papers online(don't remember which one) and I think the NYTimes did a piece on it too. I however, don't see how it's relevant to the Clinton case we have here(unless you are trying to play the who is "worsterestor" game and even then Clinton wouldn't stand a chance 😛 ) But seriously - start your own thread if you think it's important for people to hear about the guy but I imagine most anyone who reads politics(blogs and online newspaper editions) heard atleast something about it.

I posted the story, not as a "who's worse" but to see what the reaction would be... As expected, those folks looking to attack Hillary ignored or glossed over the Mitt Romney issue.

So, if we have those folks who are scrambling for table scraps to make into an issue, should they not be consistent in their pursuit?

If not, then why take anything seriously that's been posted from some of you as of far....

Uhhh, again, this thread is about Hsu - not Romney's dirty money man. I didn't gloss over the Romney issue - I read about it weeks ago instead of relying on some whacked out site to get the "dirt". I didn't support Romney and that just adds to the reasons I don't support him. Now if you want to discuss the Romney dirty money man - feel free to start a thread but don't expect too much reaction in this thread about one of Hillary's dirty money men.
 
Clinton Donor Fails to Appear in Court Again

Gee, I don't know why the New York Times keeps beating this dead horse, there is NO story here, don't they know that yet?

Since the 2004 election cycle, Mr. Hsu personally contributed $600,000 to Democrats around the country and raised hundreds of thousands more, frequently holding fund-raising parties and getting his picture taken with prominent politicians.

actually, it's over a million and counting....
 
Yeah, this has become a major embarassment for Billary. When the New York Times won't shutup about it, you got problems.
 
Ralph Sivilla, a deputy California attorney general, said the government had believed that Mr. Hsu was not a flight risk, based on the amount of his bail, his promise to relinquish his passport to the court and the fact that he had turned himself in.

?Those circumstances had seemed to suggest that he was not a flight risk,? Mr. Sivilla said. ?There was something hanging over his head. There were things in place.?

When asked whether he thought Mr. Hsu had left the country, Mr. Sivilla said, ?I would imagine he has the capability.?
Hsu wasn't considered a flight risk? After being on the lam for years?
 
Wonder how he was able to get out of the country without a passport.

Maybe he had a couple of others in his back pocket.
It will be interesting to find out which country issued them.

Now if he is still in country, which state would he be most likely to be in?
 
Wonder how he was able to get out of the country without a passport.

the district attorney and the judge involved (Dem's I'm guessing) didn't demand his passport be taken.....

Makes you wonder if they wanted this guy to skip...
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Wonder how he was able to get out of the country without a passport.

the district attorney and the judge involved (Dem's I'm guessing) didn't demand his passport be taken.....

Makes you wonder if they wanted this guy to skip...



Apparently he did not turn in his passport. Some places had indicated that he did.
Bail money does not mean anything if one has external funds.

Smells like a cover up. The guy has been on the lam for 15 years and they would trust him.
He did not show up in California previously, why expect him to do so again.

The passport should have been the first thing taken even before bail was discussed.


Ralph Sivilla, a deputy California attorney general, said the government had believed that Mr. Hsu was not a flight risk, based on the amount of his bail, his promise to relinquish his passport to the court and the fact that he had turned himself in.

?Those circumstances had seemed to suggest that he was not a flight risk,? Mr. Sivilla said. ?There was something hanging over his head. There were things in place.?

When asked whether he thought Mr. Hsu had left the country, Mr. Sivilla said, ?I would imagine he has the capability.?

Mr. Sivilla defended his office?s handling of the case, and said discussions were under way about trying to find Mr. Hsu, but that he was not at liberty to comment further on the search or on who was involved in the discussions.

?Am I surprised?? asked Mr. Sivilla, pausing for a moment. ?It?s disappointing.?
 
Well, MR. Hsu is now probably effectively stripped of his ability to donate another dime to and thereby corrupt campaign 2008, all monies he has given is now donated to charity so any damage is undone, so maybe its time to worry about all the other corrupt rascals who are now and will in future donate corrupt money to every candidate in the race for President in 2008.

We all need to get out our barf bags, Mr Hsu will prove to be a tiny tip of a bunch of rotten icebergs.

We also see that as soon as its shown a Republican also has the same problems, they come out of the woodwork to re-focus this thread on only Hillary or only democrats.
 
ll monies he has given is now donated to charity so any damage is undone,

now that's a complete lie

prove it.

which charities? (The Clinton Library perhaps?)

ALL the monies...nobody has even claimed they've done that....

show me ANY article ANYWHERE that tells me what "charity" got the money, and that every penny was turned over...
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well, MR. Hsu is now probably effectively stripped of his ability to donate another dime to and thereby corrupt campaign 2008, all monies he has given is now donated to charity so any damage is undone, so maybe its time to worry about all the other corrupt rascals who are now and will in future donate corrupt money to every candidate in the race for President in 2008.

We all need to get out our barf bags, Mr Hsu will prove to be a tiny tip of a bunch of rotten icebergs.

We also see that as soon as its shown a Republican also has the same problems, they come out of the woodwork to re-focus this thread on only Hillary or only democrats.

That's funny. Democrats here in Iowa are scrambling to decide what to do with the $100,000 that Hsu raised and donated to various Dem politicians here.

Billary is giving back $23,000 to charity, a pittance of the nearly $200,000 (?) she has received from Hsu and/or Hsu-backed donations.

And you're right. I'm sure Hsu is just the tip of the iceberg of illegal contributions on the Billary list.
 
HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the NYT's is on a roll baby!!

Clinton Supporter Arrested in N.J. Corruption Sting
Among the 11 public officials arrested in an F.B.I. corruption sting in New Jersey today was a leading Democratic supporter of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton?s presidential campaign in that state, Mayor Samuel Rivera of Passaic.

Federal agents posing as company executives offered a $50,000 payment to Mr. Rivera [for a favorable city council vote].."I make the [expletive] decision. And the council. And believe me, I?ve got the four [expletive] votes on the Council. So let?s stop [expletive], and let?s get this thing rolling,? Mr. Rivera said,

Mr. Rivera is one of ... Mrs. Clinton?s Mayors Council, which... advise the campaign on policy and outreach.?

HAHAHAHAHA outreached palm..policy? Cash only...
 
And they keep dropping like flies...Hmmm, I wonder why Dave didn't mention this in his thread on the 11 arrested in that sting...
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
And they keep dropping like flies...

Hmmm, I wonder why Dave didn't mention this in his thread on the 11 arrested in that sting...

More like 100 that were busted in New Jersey in last 5 years.

Difference here though is group already in power Vs group trying to get power.

It's all sad though that the Presidency is not only bought by highest bidder but that people endorse it.

Personally I have seen the evil of one side enough the last 7 years that I feel it is time to see the evil that the other side has to offer for a change.
 
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