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Yes, We Should Let Motorcycles Ride Between Cars

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People in cars are the ones who take it way too personally. "I'm stuck in traffic and that motorcyclist is getting through! Fuck him! He needs to be stuck here with me!"

I think most people dislike the liability more than some sort of traffic cheating.

You can cheat all the traffic you want, but if the beverage I throw out my window lands in your face, or I switch lanes and hit you, that is not my problem. Screw me being a more responsible human being so someone else can cheat traffic.
 
You can cheat all the traffic you want, but if the beverage I throw out my window lands in your face, or I switch lanes and hit you, that is not my problem. Screw me being a more responsible human being so someone else can cheat traffic.


lol
 
fwiw I don't mind lane splitting in principle. People likes Jules and anyone that pretends to have never seen a bad lane-splitter before are bad spokesmen for it, though.

ikr - I wish I lived in this special place where bikers and motorcyclists follow the rules as much as many here claim they do. Maybe its the area but its a weekly occurrence for me to see lane splitting FAR in excess of the stop and go traffic speeds and an almost daily occurrence for me to see a biker blowing through a stop sign
 
I think most people dislike the liability more than some sort of traffic cheating.

You can cheat all the traffic you want, but if the beverage I throw out my window lands in your face, or I switch lanes and hit you, that is not my problem. Screw me being a more responsible human being so someone else can cheat traffic.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=praFGD51ih8
 
I think most people dislike the liability more than some sort of traffic cheating.

You can cheat all the traffic you want, but if the beverage I throw out my window lands in your face, or I switch lanes and hit you, that is not my problem. Screw me being a more responsible human being so someone else can cheat traffic.

You just completely contradicted yourself.
 
On the east coat lane splitting is only allowed if you are going to make a right hand turn. Once at the front and you do not make that right hand turn just to get to the front then you just broke the law.
 
People in cars are the ones who take it way too personally. "I'm stuck in traffic and that motorcyclist is getting through! Fuck him! He needs to be stuck here with me!"

No doubt some people do feel that way, but for most I think their concerns are roughly in order:

1. Not wanting a lane splitter to injure/kill the driver or his family
2. Not wanting a lane splitter to injure/kill himself
3. Not wanting a lane splitter to damage their vehicle
4. Not wanting lane splitters to further complicate an already frustrating traffic situation

Traffic splitters being "cheaters" and wanting him to be stuck also would be dead last of my concerns if it were even on my list.
 
On the east coat lane splitting is only allowed if you are going to make a right hand turn. Once at the front and you do not make that right hand turn just to get to the front then you just broke the law.

That is a very broad generalization, it certainly isn't allowed in Virginia, Maryland, DC, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and New York even under the circumstances you describe.
 
That was in Atlanta where it is not legal. I also lived in San Diego for several years where it is legal and can tell you that these guys didn't do anything right. You do not split where gaps like that exist because you are still capable of making normal lane-change passes one by one. You do not ride at that speed differential because neither you nor the others can see each other soon enough to react. If you are passing between cars and there is a gap ahead on one side big enough for the car on the other side to change lanes into, you do not proceed. You match the speed of the cars you are between or fall back or move into that gap and prepare to move again if the car on the other side comes over.

It is more the lane-splitting rider's responsibility to watch for lane changes than the car's precisely because the car can't always see them coming. The rider has no excuse for going too fast to avoid putting him/herself between a lane-changer and an open lane. Motorcycles seat the rider higher than cars with much better visibility. Being between lanes also gives much better visibility ahead as well and the rider can spot gaps and react to cars in plenty of time as long as he/she is not going too fast. Regardless of how helpless the car driver feels when they see one zip by unexpectedly, they need to understand that it is as much or more the rider's responsibility to avoid YOU. Until you see it done properly from the rider's perspective (as opposed to from your car or these inflammatory YouTube incidents), it's very hard to understand that it can be done safely, but I assure you that it can.

I've had infinitely more cars obliviously change lanes into me while riding normally in my lane than I have lane-splitting because I am apparently invisible and I wouldn't lane-split where they would be changing lanes anyway. Period. Motorcycle riders are taught to ride like they are invisible because cars WILL make eye contact and then completely ignore you. It doesn't matter if they hit you illegally when you are dead, so it's still your responsibility to expect and react to it if you want to stay alive. Your nerves may be rattled when a bike you didn't see slips by responsibly, but be comforted by the thought that the rider saw you, assessed the it was safe, and was ready to react. He/she did not need your awareness to pull this off.

Now: go forth, and always use your blinker.

:thumbsup: Nailed it.
 
No doubt some people do feel that way, but for most I think their concerns are roughly in order:

1. Not wanting a lane splitter to injure/kill the driver or his family
2. Not wanting a lane splitter to injure/kill himself
3. Not wanting a lane splitter to damage their vehicle
4. Not wanting lane splitters to further complicate an already frustrating traffic situation

Traffic splitters being "cheaters" and wanting him to be stuck also would be dead last of my concerns if it were even on my list.

So how do Californians and the citizens of the rest of the world deal with these?
 
No doubt some people do feel that way, but for most I think their concerns are roughly in order:

1. Not wanting a lane splitter to injure/kill the driver or his family
2. Not wanting a lane splitter to injure/kill himself
3. Not wanting a lane splitter to damage their vehicle
4. Not wanting lane splitters to further complicate an already frustrating traffic situation

Traffic splitters being "cheaters" and wanting him to be stuck also would be dead last of my concerns if it were even on my list.

Speaking as someone who has lived in California for 25 years and driven many hundreds of thousands of miles in this state I can assure you that none of those things has ever crossed my mind while I'm driving my car.
 
Not really. But as long as the motorcyclists are required to have substantial insurance to pay for the damage they may cause. Even then there is the risk of this killing someone in the car they run into since many of them go too fast.
 
Speaking as someone who has lived in California for 25 years and driven many hundreds of thousands of miles in this state I can assure you that none of those things has ever crossed my mind while I'm driving my car.

Well congrats on providing a completely useless comment.

There are a lot of people already on the road who drive without thoughts in their heads. What makes your personal lack of thought relevant?
 
Well congrats on providing a completely useless comment.

There are a lot of people already on the road who drive without thoughts in their heads. What makes your personal lack of thought relevant?

I never said I don't have thoughts when I'm driving. I have plenty of thoughts. Most of them have to do with life, family, job, the task at hand (driving) etc. I generally don't concern myself with things I have no control over... ie, you or anyone else. You're on your own as far as I'm concerned.

I just thought glenn1's post was a bunch of nonsense and that's why I responded the way I did.

You really expect me to believe he gives a crap about the rider's safety when he's driving in his car? He sure sold me on that when he posted this.

Better hope you don't get doored while lane splitting on a crowded highway.

And this.

If I'm at a dead stop in traffic I should not have to look behind me before cracking my door open for whatever purpose because some dumbass like you decides that "cagers" should have to cater to you.

And this.

These are probably the same dickwads who decide to bypass traffic congestion by driving at speed in the breakdown lane. They all deserve to be flogged in the public square.
 
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lol, this is hilarious "as long as traffic is moving at 50 mph or less and the motorcyclist doesn’t outrun traffic by more than 15 mph."

so they basically can go 65 mph down the middle of the highway with cars going 50 mph?

50 mph is fast. this should only apply when traffic is at a near standstill (even then i don't support this). hell, a lot of highways in PA are only 55 mph. seems like tons of accidents waiting to happen imo.

What can possibly go wrong?
 
oh hai guys look what I found

Messages for Other Vehicle Drivers
1) Lane splitting by motorcycles is not illegal in California when done in a safe and prudent
manner.
2) Motorists should not take it upon themselves to discourage motorcyclists from lane splitting.
3) Intentionally blocking or impeding a motorcyclist in a way that could cause harm to the rider
is illegal (CVC 22400).
4) Opening a vehicle door to impede a motorcycle is illegal (CVC 22517).

http://lanesplittingislegal.com/assets/docs/CHP-lane-splitting-guidelines-California.pdf
 
You can cheat all the traffic you want, but if the beverage I throw out my window lands in your face, or I switch lanes and hit you, that is not my problem. Screw me being a more responsible human being so someone else can cheat traffic.

It's better when the motorcyclist throws the beverage in the cagers face and gets to cheat traffic. My dad took a strawberry milkshake right in the kisser from a lane split scooter passenger. He was stuck in traffic so not even a chance to catch up and express his displeasure. It's so difficult for children in the back seat to not laugh out loud at that level of parental fury.
 
It's better when the motorcyclist throws the beverage in the cagers face and gets to cheat traffic. My dad took a strawberry milkshake right in the kisser from a lane split scooter passenger. He was stuck in traffic so not even a chance to catch up and express his displeasure. It's so difficult for children in the back seat to not laugh out loud at that level of parental fury.

I've always found it damned near impossible to operate the controls of a motorcycle and hold a tasty beverage at the same time. Clutch with the left hand, front brake and throttle with the right. Really need a third hand for this. Nevermind that it would be impossible to drink a beverage with a full face helmet on. 😀
 
No doubt some people do feel that way, but for most I think their concerns are roughly in order:

1. Not wanting a lane splitter to injure/kill the driver or his family
2. Not wanting a lane splitter to injure/kill himself
3. Not wanting a lane splitter to damage their vehicle
4. Not wanting lane splitters to further complicate an already frustrating traffic situation

Traffic splitters being "cheaters" and wanting him to be stuck also would be dead last of my concerns if it were even on my list.

Yeah never had any of those problems in the 5 years I did the 405 commute from OC to LA every day.

Maybe it's just all of you guys in the other 49 states who can't handle driving.
 
It's better when the motorcyclist throws the beverage in the cagers face and gets to cheat traffic. My dad took a strawberry milkshake right in the kisser from a lane split scooter passenger. He was stuck in traffic so not even a chance to catch up and express his displeasure. It's so difficult for children in the back seat to not laugh out loud at that level of parental fury.
LOL
Curious what your dad did to earn the wrath?
 
I've always found it damned near impossible to operate the controls of a motorcycle and hold a tasty beverage at the same time. Clutch with the left hand, front brake and throttle with the right. Really need a third hand for this. Nevermind that it would be impossible to drink a beverage with a full face helmet on. 😀
I have a cup holder but I've never used it. I imagine a long straw would help...
 
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