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YES! US supreme court makes a correct rulling!

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Originally posted by: Dumac
Originally posted by: spidey07
Good. But the school needs to be sued to holy hell. They only got half the ruling correct. This needs to be an example that all this zero tolerance BS is wrong.

I dunno why America is so weird about drugs..

i have no trouble with most of the drug laws. BUT the schools have taken the issue way farther then it needs to be. Zero Tolerance is BS. you can't even take LEGAL over the counter pain pills in school or even ahve them on you.

Zero Tolerance just leads to shit like this happening.
 
Speaking as a parent, you detain her if you have reason for a search and contact the parents BEFORE a search is conducted.
If it was me, I would push to have the school administrator that did the search have to register as a sex offender.
 
Officials had searched the girl's backpack and found nothing, Thomas said. "It was eminently reasonable to conclude the backpack was empty because Redding was secreting the pills in a place should thought no one would look," Thomas said.

WTF, Thomas puts his opinions in the most perverted way possible, how the hell did this idiot get onto the court.

(yes i know there are 2 definitions of 'secrete', but this is definitely not the more common one)
 
Originally posted by: BarbeQueGuy
Speaking as a parent, you detain her if you have reason for a search and contact the parents BEFORE a search is conducted.
If it was me, I would push to have the school administrator that did the search have to register as a sex offender.

i agree. i think they all should be put on teh sex offender list.
 
From TFA:

The larger issue of whether a campus setting traditionally gives schools greater authority over students suspected of illegal activity than police are allowed was not addressed fully by the divided court.

You know, sometimes the Supreme Court can be pretty fucking useless.
 
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Dumac
Originally posted by: spidey07
Good. But the school needs to be sued to holy hell. They only got half the ruling correct. This needs to be an example that all this zero tolerance BS is wrong.

I dunno why America is so weird about drugs..

i have no trouble with most of the drug laws. BUT the schools have taken the issue way farther then it needs to be. Zero Tolerance is BS. you can't even take LEGAL over the counter pain pills in school or even ahve them on you.

Zero Tolerance just leads to shit like this happening.

because we are sue happy country. Zero Tolerance is just easier solution. Students who require medication just check them into the school nurse and come when necessary.

Yes it leads to stupid shit like this(I'm gonna say this is teh extreme) and kids getting expelled but I'm sure the school rather risk hearings on some kid getting expelled rather than dealing with a lawsuit where a kid OD.

 
Originally posted by: skace
What I wonder is, 2 females strip searched her, but where was everyone else? Are we sure nobody had any visuals of her during this process? Was it done in a locker room or somewhere questionable like a class room or even the principles office? And why 2 people? The nurse couldn't handle it on her own?

I would imagine they had 2 so the 2 could then verify each others story in the case of "wrong doing". Irony being, well you know.

I would hope they'd at least have done it somewhere private, I highly doubt it was in a classroom as that'd have been wrong on yet a whole another level (and there'd be a bigger outcry). Not that their effort to do it 'right' really made any of it better.

 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Good. But the school needs to be sued to holy hell. They only got half the ruling correct. This needs to be an example that all this zero tolerance BS is wrong.

We often don't agree on things but I'm with you 100% on this. Also, Clarence Thomas deserves a swift kick in the nuts (if he has any).
 
Originally posted by: herkulease
because we are sue happy country. Zero Tolerance is just easier solution. Students who require medication just check them into the school nurse and come when necessary.

Yes it leads to stupid shit like this(I'm gonna say this is teh extreme) and kids getting expelled but I'm sure the school rather risk hearings on some kid getting expelled rather than dealing with a lawsuit where a kid OD.

I see your point but IMO it wouldn't make any difference if such a situation were to actually come up. The school can try to implement policies that favor it, but if a kid ODs you know they're getting sued anyway.
 
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Fritzo
I disagree with this ruling, because I am for stripping teens.

::giggity::

Clarence Thomas, is that you?

This is what happens when you nominate someone for being of a certain color, rather than looking at existing qualifications. We get subpar justices that humiliate our country.
 
Originally posted by: xeemzor
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Fritzo
I disagree with this ruling, because I am for stripping teens.

::giggity::

Clarence Thomas, is that you?

This is 's what happens when you nominate someone for being of a certain color, rather than looking at existing qualifications. We get subpar justices that humiliate our country.

But Thomas' life experience means he makes, and is much more capable, better decisions than a white person.
 
After this happened I very carefully instructed my daughter that if anyone ever tried this with her she should refuse, and it was ok to fight them to inflict serious injury if they tried to force it. We'll see how much they want to search her when she sticks a pencil in their eye.
 
I'm confused. What did she win? The article says the San Francisco court had alreasdy ruled against the school and said the search was illegal. So what was she appealing to the Supreme Court about? I'm missing something.
 
Originally posted by: xeemzor
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Fritzo
I disagree with this ruling, because I am for stripping teens.

::giggity::

Clarence Thomas, is that you?

This is what happens when you nominate someone for being of a certain color, rather than looking at existing qualifications. We get subpar justices that humiliate our country.

Damn those cum laude undergrad Yale Law graduating underachievers!
 
Originally posted by: allisolm
I'm confused. What did she win? The article says the San Francisco court had alreasdy ruled against the school and said the search was illegal. So what was she appealing to the Supreme Court about? I'm missing something.

its not as a big a personal win for her but for all kids in school. Though it does kinda give her the OK to sue the school but not the people directly involved.
 
Originally posted by: allisolm
I'm confused. What did she win? The article says the San Francisco court had alreasdy ruled against the school and said the search was illegal. So what was she appealing to the Supreme Court about? I'm missing something.

It was probably the school that appealed it to the SC after it lost in the Appeals court.
 
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: allisolm
I'm confused. What did she win? The article says the San Francisco court had alreasdy ruled against the school and said the search was illegal. So what was she appealing to the Supreme Court about? I'm missing something.

It was probably the school that appealed it to the SC after it lost in the Appeals court.

Multiple causes of action, counter claims, etc. Most cases to the SC are not Yes/No Check this Box type cases.

Scotusblog:

The decision below is affirmed in part, reversed in part, and remanded in an opinion by Justice Souter, with the Court dividing 8-1 on the Fourth Amendment question and 7-2 on the qualified immunity question. Justice Stevens filed a partial dissent joined by Justice Ginsburg. Justice Ginsburg filed an opinion concurring and dissenting in part. Justice Thomas filed an opinion concurring in part and dissenting in part. The Court held that the strip search did violate the Constitution but it wasn?t clear that the violation was established at the time of this incident. And a partridge in a pear tree.


wiki:

A District Court judge ruled for the school district and for school officials, finding that the tip from another student provided a sufficient justification for the search of Savana. Requiring her to strip, the District Court found, was sufficiently related to officials? suspicion, and was not ?excessively intrusive.? That ruling was upheld by a Ninth Circuit Court panel, but the en banc Ninth Circuit reversed, ruling for Savana on divided votes.

The Ninth Circuit focused on the fact that this was a strip search, and ruled that it would take greater justification for that type of search because it was more intrusive. Based on what school officials knew at the time, a strip search was not appropriate, and, moreover, its scope was too great given that evidence, the majority concluded. Rejecting the school officials' claims that they were entitled to qualified immunity for the strip-search, the Circuit Court said they should have known ? from at least the Supreme Court's decision on school searches of students' belongings in New Jersey v. T.L.O. in 1985 ? that such an intrusive search would not be constitutionally valid.

Petition for Certiorari
The school district, principal Wilson and others associated with the Safford schools, citing studies that ?show a troubling rise in the abuse of prescription? and over-the-counter drugs among teenagers, asked the Supreme Court to hear the case. The petition presented two questions: what is the scope of the Fourth Amendment as applied to the search of a student for distributing a prescription drug at school, and whether the Ninth Circuit wrongly deviated from principles of legal immunity for school officials searching for drugs on campus
 
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: xeemzor
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Fritzo
I disagree with this ruling, because I am for stripping teens.

::giggity::

Clarence Thomas, is that you?

This is what happens when you nominate someone for being of a certain color, rather than looking at existing qualifications. We get subpar justices that humiliate our country.

Damn those cum laude undergrad Yale Law graduating underachievers!

Hey, if Alan Shor thinks so than it must be true!
 
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: allisolm
I'm confused. What did she win? The article says the San Francisco court had alreasdy ruled against the school and said the search was illegal. So what was she appealing to the Supreme Court about? I'm missing something.

It was probably the school that appealed it to the SC after it lost in the Appeals court.

It says it was her appeal.

"...won a partial victory of her Supreme Court appeal..."

😕

edit: I read jonks addition. Clearer now. Thanks.

 
I'm glad that the US Supreme Court ruled that the strip search was unreasonable (insert "duh!" comments here). As the Court correctly pointed out, there was no reason for suspecting that the girl was concealing drugs in her underclothes (or in more private areas), and thus going far beyond searching bookbags/purses etc to performing what can reasonably be termed a 'strip search'.

I really don't understand the semantic argument about a 'strip search'. What was done was a school official requiring that a student remove (some of) her clothing under the assumption of criminality (that she was hiding drugs):

The exact label for this final step in the intrusion is not important, though strip search is a fair way to speak of it. Romero and Schwallier directed Savana to remove her clothes down to her underwear, and then ?pull out? her bra and the elastic band on her under-pants. Although Romero and Schwallierstated that they did not see anything when Savana fol-lowed their instructions, we would not define strip search and its Fourth Amendment consequences in a way that would guarantee litigation about who was looking and how much was seen. The very act of Savana?s pulling her underwear away from her body in the presence of the two officials who were able to see her necessarily exposed her breasts and pelvic area to some degree , and both subjective and reasonable societalexpectations of personal privacy support the treatment of uch a search as categorically distinct, requiring distinct elements of justification on the part of school authoritiesfor going beyond a search of outer clothing and belongings.
 
Opinion Slip for the case: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/08pdf/08-479.pdf

According to the slip Wilson had Romero (admin asst) take Redding to the nurse's office for the strip search. It's quite informative and covers a lot more of the story than the articles are able. It reveals that there's (as always) more to the story of the girl, her belongings, friendships, etc... There's a disconnect between when the strip search is deemed reasonable based on probable cause, which itself should be based on credible information. Such was not the case here.

The cause was probable when they did the same search on the girl's friend earlier, as they had already found her in possession of pills.
 
It seems weird to me that they voted 8-1 to basically say the search was wrong and then voted 7-2 to say that the officials should not be blamed. Especially considering they did some seemingly aggressive things to her aside from the search itself.
 
while IANAL, in a number of SCOTUS opinions I've read it's not uncommon esp in recent years to have some splintered opinions.....In this particular case all but one justice found that the 'strip search' was unreasonable if not unconstitutional, while all but two justices believed that the officials deserved limited immunity for their actions (the previous dissenter believed in limited immunity, while two in the MAJORITY opinion disagreed with the majority ruling dealing with limited immunity).
 
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