Hey Red,
What has Palco's list of notorious dictators got to do with your list of notorious assasins and back stabbers? Who the hell did Mark Chapman kill that was of any signifigance? John Lennon? Please!!! I noticed you left John Hinckley off the list. Is that because he failed to kill Reagan or that he failed to kill a Republican?
What has Palco's list of notorious dictators got to do with your list of notorious assasins and back stabbers? Who the hell did Mark Chapman kill that was of any signifigance? John Lennon? Please!!! I noticed you left John Hinckley off the list. Is that because he failed to kill Reagan or that he failed to kill a Republican?
No worries Russ.
When the US supreme court gets done spanking the Fla. supreme court it won't matter.
The US supremes don't grant cert to appeals that have no constitutional relevance so there must be something to the claim of the Bush camp that the Fla supremes changed the election laws of the state after the fact. A clear violation of the due process clause of the 14th amendment.
When the US supreme court gets done spanking the Fla. supreme court it won't matter.
The US supremes don't grant cert to appeals that have no constitutional relevance so there must be something to the claim of the Bush camp that the Fla supremes changed the election laws of the state after the fact. A clear violation of the due process clause of the 14th amendment.
yep.
Edit....it is interesting to note, Gore never speaks of the "rights" of the citizens of Florida that followed the directions, and properly marked their ballots.
Reminds me of the kid in school that always cheated, got to the end of the year, and got screwed...
Edit....it is interesting to note, Gore never speaks of the "rights" of the citizens of Florida that followed the directions, and properly marked their ballots.
Reminds me of the kid in school that always cheated, got to the end of the year, and got screwed...
Tiger,
Agreed. It's going to be a powerful smackdown, hopefully sending a clear message to activist judges all over the country.
Russ, NCNE
Agreed. It's going to be a powerful smackdown, hopefully sending a clear message to activist judges all over the country.
Russ, NCNE
Many of "us" believe it will be useful to have a President who is not..."powerful"...
His name....George W. Bush.
His name....George W. Bush.
Just giving your titty a little twist Red.
I agree that the current crop of Repub's can't hold a candle to Reagan.
I'm just a little upset that ALGORE and his storm troopers have been saying all along that whoever loses in the hand recount should concede. Now that it looks like they will, they plan on contesting the entire election and dragging this thing out past Dec. 12th. This mess is turning into a retirement plan for lawyers.:|
I agree that the current crop of Repub's can't hold a candle to Reagan.
I'm just a little upset that ALGORE and his storm troopers have been saying all along that whoever loses in the hand recount should concede. Now that it looks like they will, they plan on contesting the entire election and dragging this thing out past Dec. 12th. This mess is turning into a retirement plan for lawyers.:|
>>>>Yep, the fix is in.... <<<<
And look who intends to fix it,(as if you haven't been seeing it all along on the nightly news):disgust:
GOP weighs strategy to block Gore--House leaders examine options to discount electoral votes
? Amid escalating Republican attacks on the conduct of the Florida recount, senior House GOP leaders moved closer yesterday to endorsing a strategy to deny Vice President Gore the presidency should he win the state?s 25 electoral votes.
And look who intends to fix it,(as if you haven't been seeing it all along on the nightly news):disgust:
GOP weighs strategy to block Gore--House leaders examine options to discount electoral votes
? Amid escalating Republican attacks on the conduct of the Florida recount, senior House GOP leaders moved closer yesterday to endorsing a strategy to deny Vice President Gore the presidency should he win the state?s 25 electoral votes.
Russ -- <<Agreed. It's going to be a powerful smackdown, hopefully sending a clear message to activist judges all over the country.>>
Before you continue your ridiculous rant, don't you recall enough of your history to remember that one function of the courts since about day one of this country, has been to resolve conflicts and ambiguities in existing statutes? The Florida Supreme Court looked at directly contradictory language in different parts of the statutes, and quite correctly took up the task of resolving the conflicts.
<< Yep, the fix is in....>>
Not yet, it isn't. The electoral system is so fscking broken that I will be a blessing if this current mess is sufficient a catalyst to force those Washington monkeys to overhaul the whole thing.
The electoral college was devised 200+ years ago, well before instantaneous world-wide communications.
The punch card voting machine is more than forty years old. A closed computer based system (i.e. with no net connection outside the voting area) would be cheap, easy to devise, secure and far more accurate than either punch cards or hand counting. In fact, the 80+ year old inventor of the Vote-o-matic system testified in Florida, just today, that in his opinion, based on his experience, dimpled chads should probably be counted. Do you think he might know something about these machines?
I sincerely hope that a real FIX is implemented before we have another election morass like this one. Meanwhile, all you piss and moan idiots on both sides are beyond ridiculous. I have seen relatively few posts showing some intellectual insight. For the most part, what I see are blatantly ignorant, poorly reasoned statements by a bunch of people trying to justify one lame excuse or another why their guy should get the upper hand. This forum is beginning to remind me of that howling near lynch mob down in Miami-Dade, yesterday.
Before you continue your ridiculous rant, don't you recall enough of your history to remember that one function of the courts since about day one of this country, has been to resolve conflicts and ambiguities in existing statutes? The Florida Supreme Court looked at directly contradictory language in different parts of the statutes, and quite correctly took up the task of resolving the conflicts.
<< Yep, the fix is in....>>
Not yet, it isn't.
The electoral system is so fscking broken that I will be a blessing if this current mess is sufficient a catalyst to force those Washington monkeys to overhaul the whole thing.The electoral college was devised 200+ years ago, well before instantaneous world-wide communications.
The punch card voting machine is more than forty years old. A closed computer based system (i.e. with no net connection outside the voting area) would be cheap, easy to devise, secure and far more accurate than either punch cards or hand counting. In fact, the 80+ year old inventor of the Vote-o-matic system testified in Florida, just today, that in his opinion, based on his experience, dimpled chads should probably be counted. Do you think he might know something about these machines?
I sincerely hope that a real FIX is implemented before we have another election morass like this one. Meanwhile, all you piss and moan idiots on both sides are beyond ridiculous. I have seen relatively few posts showing some intellectual insight. For the most part, what I see are blatantly ignorant, poorly reasoned statements by a bunch of people trying to justify one lame excuse or another why their guy should get the upper hand. This forum is beginning to remind me of that howling near lynch mob down in Miami-Dade, yesterday.
<< The Florida Supreme Court looked at directly contradictory language in different parts of the statutes, and quite correctly took up the task of resolving the conflicts. >>
Correct me if i am wrong, aren't all these Justices..........Democrats?
We have a real problem accepting their "objectivity".
Bottom line, we see this as a political War, and will play it as such..
PALCO -- <<Correct me if i am wrong, aren't all these Justices..........Democrats?>>
OK. You're wrong. As professional Supreme Court Justices, party affiliation does not enter into their job description, so they are neither Democrat nor Republican, regardless of which governor appointed them. I would also imagine that they were also approved by at least one branch of the Florida legislature.
You presume and impute prejudice, and you denigrate their integrity without a shread of evidence to support your accusations. I doubt that you listened to the actual hearings, or you would have heard them grill both sides extensively. I doubt that you have read any of their opinions justifying their ruling.
Your statements reflect abject ignorance. Perhaps you cast too many first stones.
OK. You're wrong. As professional Supreme Court Justices, party affiliation does not enter into their job description, so they are neither Democrat nor Republican, regardless of which governor appointed them. I would also imagine that they were also approved by at least one branch of the Florida legislature.
You presume and impute prejudice, and you denigrate their integrity without a shread of evidence to support your accusations. I doubt that you listened to the actual hearings, or you would have heard them grill both sides extensively. I doubt that you have read any of their opinions justifying their ruling.
Your statements reflect abject ignorance. Perhaps you cast too many first stones.
<< As professional Supreme Court Justices, party affiliation does not enter into their job description >>
Yeah, right.
Russ, NCNE
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It would be incredibly dumb for Gore to push things to the 12th. If the election in Florida is still in dispute, it will be the Republican controlled Legislature that selects the Electors. It is in Bush's best interest to drag this out.
Harvey - I agree that the US Supreme Court may have just accepted the case because it is so important. They may very well rule that the Florida Supreme Court was within their rights to rule as they did.
I think the media has to go find better legal experts. Almost all the optinions I read on the Leon County appeal said that he would side with the Democrats. Every single opinion I read said that the US Supreme Court would not hear the appeal.
Michael
Harvey - I agree that the US Supreme Court may have just accepted the case because it is so important. They may very well rule that the Florida Supreme Court was within their rights to rule as they did.
I think the media has to go find better legal experts. Almost all the optinions I read on the Leon County appeal said that he would side with the Democrats. Every single opinion I read said that the US Supreme Court would not hear the appeal.
Michael
<< Your statements reflect abject ignorance. Perhaps you cast too many first stones. >>
Which statements are in this category?
One thing should be perfectly clear. Both sides have exercised thier judicial trump cards to the maximum. Who ever wins this election,the loser can not say they didn't get a fair shake. They are both all over the map in one court or another, all the way now to the US Supreme Court. If bush prevails in that court,its over. Should he not prevail, and Gore wins all his court room arguements,or at least on the re count wins the majority of the popular vote,it will be up to the state legislators to block his win,or (heaven forbid) the US Congress with its republican leadership to use what clearly would lead to a constitutional crisis by contesting the electoral collage.
This entire morass is quite sickening. I am, hearing Bob Dole cry out "the Dems are not counting votes,they're manufacturing votes!" and yesterdays display of republican protestors blocking entrance to the Miami/Dade location for counting the ballots is just one small step from outright violance breaking out. Is that what we want? Riots ala Reginald Denny style with looting and personal property damage? The lady in Palm Beach who stood up for re counts is under armed guard after recieving death threats on her and her family from (presummed) irate rebublican wackos.
I hope this is over soon,and we can then get back to some form of civility,if that can be recovered after so much damage.
This entire morass is quite sickening. I am, hearing Bob Dole cry out "the Dems are not counting votes,they're manufacturing votes!" and yesterdays display of republican protestors blocking entrance to the Miami/Dade location for counting the ballots is just one small step from outright violance breaking out. Is that what we want? Riots ala Reginald Denny style with looting and personal property damage? The lady in Palm Beach who stood up for re counts is under armed guard after recieving death threats on her and her family from (presummed) irate rebublican wackos.
I hope this is over soon,and we can then get back to some form of civility,if that can be recovered after so much damage.
It's obvious that the judges on the Florida Supreme Court went right along with the party line. They have higher aspirations. I'm willing to bet that most/all of them see a shot at a U.S. Supreme Court appointment if their boy Al gets into office. After all, we keep hearing over and over again about how the next president is going to be making more than a few appointments to the U.S. Supreme Court.
The U.S. Supreme Court will most likely hand down a decicion that spanks that of the Florida court(s). That will put an end to all of this. That is the reason that they didn't schedule the hearing until the end of the week. By then, most of this other nonsense will be over and done with.
The U.S. Supreme Court will most likely hand down a decicion that spanks that of the Florida court(s). That will put an end to all of this. That is the reason that they didn't schedule the hearing until the end of the week. By then, most of this other nonsense will be over and done with.
PALCO -- <<Which statements are in this category?>>
If I were to search on your posting history, I would probaby say most of them, but for the moment, I'll stick to that piece of non-thinking, biased moronitude of yours that was the subect of my reply. All you had to do was read my post to figure that out.
If I were to search on your posting history, I would probaby say most of them, but for the moment, I'll stick to that piece of non-thinking, biased moronitude of yours that was the subect of my reply. All you had to do was read my post to figure that out.
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I heard a couple of interesting tidbits on the radio today . . . anybody else hear this?
1. The Illinois court case cited by Gore's lawyers did not allow dimpled chads in the recount.
2. The only dimpled chads are occuring in the presidential column, and there is some thought that these might be due to the counting machine.
Still looking for a written story on Yahoo News . . .
1. The Illinois court case cited by Gore's lawyers did not allow dimpled chads in the recount.
2. The only dimpled chads are occuring in the presidential column, and there is some thought that these might be due to the counting machine.
Still looking for a written story on Yahoo News . . .
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What will happen if the recounts are not completed in PBC. The news is reporting 10,000 ballots that the canvassing board has to look at. They started today. If they spent any real time at all looking at each ballot, they will never finish by Sunday. If they decided not to count dimpled ballots (the criteria in PBC since 1990), they might be able to finish. Gore could then contest that decision if he wants.
Broward county did about 800 ballots in two days. It looks like they have a decent shot at finishing by the deadline.
Michael
Broward county did about 800 ballots in two days. It looks like they have a decent shot at finishing by the deadline.
Michael
The Florida Supreme Court may have gone through the motions of a "full and careful Judicial review", regarding Harris, but their history of activism makes the decision...suspect.
Once again, Judicial activism (making up the rules as you go)..... is easily corrected.
That correction, if required, will be carried out by the Republican controlled State Legislature.
Once again, Judicial activism (making up the rules as you go)..... is easily corrected.
That correction, if required, will be carried out by the Republican controlled State Legislature.
<< Once again, Judicial activism (making up the rules as you go)..... is easily corrected. >>
You Republicans seem to stick together. A decision goes against your man and all of a sudden you claim rules are being made up.
The Supreme Court exists to be the ultimate authority on conflicts in Florida law. The one week date for certifying the results (even before the absentee ballots were due conflicted with the law allowing manual recounts in close elections. Not surprisingly, the Court wanted to see the votes counted, and said that was more important that being all of a hurry and certifying the results in seven days.
Come on. Think this out. There are no new rules being made up. Read the decision. Carefully.
Michael
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ride525 - I read all the legal briefings, listened to the oral arguments, and read the decision. I support the Us Supreme Court appeal. In my opinion, they conviently skipped over the fact that the SoS has the authority to decide if results should be accepted later. Their was no need for them to step in and set a new deadline.
I'm guessing that the US Supreme Court, which leans towards State rights, will take this opportunity to make it clear that the State Supreme Courts get to decide cases like this. I just wish I could hear the oral argument for the appeal.
Michael
ps - I'm not Republican, so my post probably doesn't count
pps - The NY Times is reporting that Gore will be contesting/sueing PBC as well as they are not counting many dimples as Gore votes. They're searching for intent instead. The NYT also has an article on Gore scrambling around trying to keep the party behind him
ppps - It is a long standing position of the Republicans that the "liberal" courts (Florida is 6-7 Democrats) interfere much more than they should.
I'm guessing that the US Supreme Court, which leans towards State rights, will take this opportunity to make it clear that the State Supreme Courts get to decide cases like this. I just wish I could hear the oral argument for the appeal.
Michael
ps - I'm not Republican, so my post probably doesn't count
pps - The NY Times is reporting that Gore will be contesting/sueing PBC as well as they are not counting many dimples as Gore votes. They're searching for intent instead. The NYT also has an article on Gore scrambling around trying to keep the party behind him
ppps - It is a long standing position of the Republicans that the "liberal" courts (Florida is 6-7 Democrats) interfere much more than they should.
<< Their was no need for them to step in and set a new deadline. >>
Sure there was. They said they wanted to see more of the votes counted. There was NO reason to stop the counts so early. Extending the deadline allowed more of the voters to get their votes properly counted.
<< ps - I'm not Republican, so my post probably doesn't count >>
Your posts do count. At least they are well thought out and articulate.
<< ppps - It is a long standing position of the Republicans that the "liberal" courts (Florida is 6-7 Democrats) interfere much more than they should. >>
And it's a longstanding Republican policy to trust the states. Well, er, sometimes....
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