Yep, Cheney lied on Meet the Press.

BOBDN

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Senator Frank Lautenberg and Senator Tom Daschle have the facts and figures to prove Cheney lied, supplied by Cheney. Cheney lied about his interest with Halliburton among the myriad other lies he told last Sunday.

As Senator Lautenberg says in this Star Ledger article:

"The vice president says he does not have any financial ties to Halliburton, but his own financial disclosure filings suggest something else," said Lautenberg. "If you ask everyday Americans if someone has a financial interest in a company that provides them with annual compensation, I am certain the answer would be yes."

Lautenberg doubts Cheney has cut all links with Halliburton
 

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The "Money/compensation" Cheney gets from Halliburton is from PAST dealings- NOT current or future. You people need to understand that. I challenge any one to show exactly how Cheney is benefitting from Halliburton's CURRENT dealings with the gov't.

:p Daschle has a problem with Cheney's "conflicts of interest"? That's pretty funny - Anyone care to answer the question of why he(Daschle) hasn't disclosed HIS family income records?;) Hmmmm....

Just more wild speculations and accusations from the left. go figure
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phillyTIM

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This whole Bush Regime is predicated upon lies and illegitimacy.

Election '04 is going to be a riot to watch! The Regime will finally be held accountable.
 

tcsenter

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Pete and Repeat.

Cheney's compensation is deferred compensation, which is money he is being paid later for service he rendered earlier, and the amount is contractually set, nothing Cheney can do will increase or decrease the amount of his deferred compensation payments. Ergo: Cheney indeed has no financial stake in Halliburton.
 

dexvx

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Originally posted by: tcsenter

Cheney's compensation is deferred compensation, which is money he is being paid later for service he rendered earlier, and the amount is contractually set, nothing Cheney can do will increase or decrease the amount of his deferred compensation payments. Ergo: Cheney indeed has no financial stake in Halliburton.

No, Cheney said "financial ties". IIRC, when you receive money from someone/company, that is a financial tie.

And AFAIK, if Haliburton goes bankrupt, however unlikely, then Cheney wont get any money. So technically, Cheney does have a financial stake in Haliburton's survival.
 

BOBDN

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And this is only ONE of the half dozen or so lies Cheney told on Meet the Press.

Tim Russert, a journalist I once respected, didn't call Cheney out on any of them. Not even the mobile WMD lab lie which EVERYONE now knows was fabricated.

But I know you right wing radical partisans will find a way to defend your liar on that one too. :)
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: dexvx
Originally posted by: tcsenter

Cheney's compensation is deferred compensation, which is money he is being paid later for service he rendered earlier, and the amount is contractually set, nothing Cheney can do will increase or decrease the amount of his deferred compensation payments. Ergo: Cheney indeed has no financial stake in Halliburton.

No, Cheney said "financial ties". IIRC, when you receive money from someone/company, that is a financial tie.

And AFAIK, if Haliburton goes bankrupt, however unlikely, then Cheney wont get any money. So technically, Cheney does have a financial stake in Haliburton's survival.

Actually I'm going to side with the right-wingers here. Cheney does have a good alibi in this situation, for the deferred salary and the claim that Cheney does not have a financial stake in Haliburton's survival. From the article:

To avoid any suggestion of conflict, she said, Cheney took out an insurance policy that would pay him the deferred salary if Halliburton had financial problems and could not meet its obligation. She said this was done to avoid any claim that he was seeking contracts for the company for his own personal benefit.

Not to say I don't have suspicion, but it will have to wait for better evidence now.

 

Corn

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LOL, this thread is great. Yesterday BOBDN was asked to prove these so called "lies" were lies. 24 hours later this is all he can come up with? Bwahahahahaha!

BOBDN reminds me of Inspector Clouseau.
 

CaptnKirk

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Halliburton, the Texas company which has been awarded the Pentagon's contract to put out potential oil-field fires in Iraq and which is bidding for postwar construction contracts, is still making annual payments to its former chief executive, the vice-president Dick Cheney.

The payments, which appear on Mr Cheney's 2001 financial disclosure statement, are in the form of "deferred compensation" of up to $1m (£600,000) a year.

When he left Halliburton in 2000 to become George Bush's running mate, he opted not to receive his leaving payment in a lump sum but instead have it paid to him over five years, possibly for tax reasons.

An aide to the vice president said yesterday: "This is money that Mr Cheney was owed by the corporation as part of his salary for the time he was employed by Halliburton and which was a fixed amount paid to him over time."

The aide said the payment was even insured so that it would not be affected even if Halliburton went bankrupt, to ensure there was no conflict of interest.

"Also, the vice president has nothing whatsoever to do with the Pentagon bidding process," the aide added.

The company would not say how much the payments are. The obligatory disclosure statement filled by all top government officials says only that they are in the range of $100,000 and $1m. Nor is it clear how they are calculated.

Halliburton is one of five large US corporations - the others are the Bechtel Group, Fluor Corp, Parsons Corp, and the Louis Berger Group - invited to bid for contracts in what may turn out to be the biggest reconstruction project since the second world war.

It is estimated to be worth up to $900m for the preliminary work alone, such as rebuilding Iraq's hospitals, ports, airports and schools.

The contract winners will be able to establish a presence in post-Saddam Iraq that should give them an invaluable edge in winning future contracts.

The defence department contract awarded to the Halliburton subsidiary, Kellog, Brown & Root (KBR), to control oil fires if Saddam Hussein sets the well heads alight, will put the company in an excellent position to bid for huge contracts when Iraq's oil industry is rehabilitated.

KBR has already benefited considerably from the "war on terror". It has so far been awarded contracts worth nearly $33m to build the detention camp at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba for al-Qaida suspects.

Asked whether the payments to Mr Cheney represented a conflict of interest, Halliburton's spokeswoman, Wendy Hall, said: "We have been working as a government contractor since the 1940s. Since this time, KBR has become the premier provider of logistics and support services to all branches of the military."

In the five years Mr Cheney was at the helm, Halliburton nearly doubled the amount of business it did with the government to $2.3bn. The company also more than doubled its political contributions to $1.2m, overwhelmingly to Republican candidates.

Mr Cheney sold most of his Halliburton shares when he left the company, but retained stock options worth about $8m. He arranged to pay any profits to charity.
 

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
Pete and Repeat.

Cheney's compensation is deferred compensation, which is money he is being paid later for service he rendered earlier, and the amount is contractually set, nothing Cheney can do will increase or decrease the amount of his deferred compensation payments. Ergo: Cheney indeed has no financial stake in Halliburton.

Ergo, concordantly, vis-à-vis...
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: Corn
LOL, this thread is great. Yesterday BOBDN was asked to prove these so called "lies" were lies. 24 hours later this is all he can come up with? Bwahahahahaha!

BOBDN reminds me of Inspector Clouseau.

No one ever replied on the subject of Cheney's lies at the other thread.

You geniuses, as usual, attempted to post clever remarks to mask the fact you couldn't defend Cheney's lies.

You remind me of the Pink Panther. :)
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: Corn
LOL, this thread is great. Yesterday BOBDN was asked to prove these so called "lies" were lies. 24 hours later this is all he can come up with? Bwahahahahaha!

BOBDN reminds me of Inspector Clouseau.

No one ever replied on the subject of Cheney's lies at the other thread.

You geniuses, as usual, attempted to post clever remarks to mask the fact you couldn't defend Cheney's lies.

You remind me of the Pink Panther. :)

Well, there isn't a LIE nor is there conflict of interest. All that is left is making fun of those that repeatedlyspout this nonsense.:D

CkG
 

Ameriphile

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Try this thought experiment:

Imagine, if you will, this same controversy occurring four years ago, with Al Gore stating that he has no financial ties to a company that continues to provide him with deferred compensation, and with which he still retains unexercised stock options. Now, if the Clinton administration had awarded this company a no-bid contract worth over $1 billion, what do you think Republicans in congress would have to say about it?
 

tcsenter

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You geniuses, as usual, attempted to post clever remarks to mask the fact you couldn't defend Cheney's lies.
The entire thread is one big resounding response to your 'alleged' Cheney lies.

The connotation of 'financial ties' of course was that Cheney somehow has a conflict of interest because he can grease the system for Halliburton which would then enrich himself. You know that was the connotation, not that he simply had sterile financial ties, but ties that would pose a conflict of interest for these reasons. Deferred compensation, payment for services already rendered, contractually fixed and insured, chosen in 1999 to be paid-out over five years, obviously poses no conflict of interest.
 

alchemize

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Nice effort Boob. Try again. Ever hear of a pension plan? You've even got Lozina going against you :)
 

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Originally posted by: Ameriphile
Try this thought experiment:

Imagine, if you will, this same controversy occurring four years ago, with Al Gore stating that he has no financial ties to a company that continues to provide him with deferred compensation, and with which he still retains unexercised stock options. What do you think Republicans in congress would have to say about it?

Unfortunately the Repubs wouldn't have said much, they were too scared to press anything but the sex scandel. Otherwise, more would have come out of the Buddhist monk political funding and the use of the white house for fund raising. Not saying they are on the same scale, but the Repubs didn't press too hard against Gore on anything.
 

kage69

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Don't you guys know if you disagree with booooooooob it means you're infantile???
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BaliBabyDoc

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Cheney has lied time and time again but his financial ties to Halliburton should be the least of our concerns. Even if you believe the BS that his Get Saddam World Tour 2002 did not claim Hussein was intimately linked to 9/11. He certainly was the most vocal cheerleader for the "Saddam Will Have Nukes in the Near Future" crowd.

The natural retort from the right of center, "but but he was just saying Saddam had nukes and the past . . . and that Saddam did not provide clear proof his nuke program was over . . ." Of course that's a lie b/c Cheney, Rummy, Wolfie, et al rarely said it was the uncertainty of Saddam's nuke program they feared . . . these people clearly believed Saddam had an active, well-established nuke program which was a "Clear, and Present Danger" to the United States. Forget the "yellow cake" . . . anybody remember those ominous aluminum tubes destined for gas centrifuges?

Cheney could be collecting $5m/year from shady ops like Halliburton . . . the same Halliburton (via a subsidiary) that was working with Saddam despite Cheney's claim to the contrary . . . when Cheney was CEO . . . and I wouldn't care. This administration's lies with regards to Iraq already has a 12-figure price tag. When you factor in the various BS positions they've taken on other aspects of their "leadership" . . . we may be talking about 13-figures.

Cheney, IMHO, is just another POS pol who has cobbled a fortune out of influence. The problem I have is that his lies (and those of the people that think like him . . . ie not often or only about money) may have our country circling the drain in the near future.
 

DealMonkey

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"Since I left Halliburton to become George Bush's vice president, I've severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interest. I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had now for over three years," Cheney said.

I feel the above quote by Cheney is at the very least, disengenuous. I believe that most people would consider drawing cash from a company (regardless of the reason you're drawing it) is NOT the same as severing all ties. NOR is it getting rid of financial interest. Fact is: Cheney gets paid by Halliburton. The only thing you can really argue about is whether that garners any influence for Halliburton or not.
 

reitz

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Now I'm no fan of Bush, and I absolutely despise Cheney, but the explanation towards the end of article sounds perfectly reasonable to me:
Cathie Martin, a spokeswoman for the vice president, said Cheney in 1998 opted to defer much of his 1999 Halliburton salary and have it paid over five years. She said this was done long before there was any idea that he would become vice president, and was an irrevocable decision.

To avoid any suggestion of conflict, she said, Cheney took out an insurance policy that would pay him the deferred salary if Halliburton had financial problems and could not meet its obligation. She said this was done to avoid any claim that he was seeking contracts for the company for his own personal benefit.

In addition, Martin said Cheney placed all of the unexercised unvested stock options in a charitable trust in January 2001 that is controlled by an independent trustee.

She said the trustee has the right to use all net after-tax proceeds from the stock options to benefit three charities: Capital Partners for Education, an educational assistance program for low- income high school-age children in the District of Columbia; George Washington University Medical Faculty Associates, and the University of Wyoming.
Unless there is more yet to be revealed, it doesn't look to me like Cheney is personally profitting from the contracts awarded to Haliburton and its subsidiaries.

I am still skeptical of Haliburton's contracts, however. It just seems shady to me to award no-bid contracts to a company headed by the vice-president (one of the most outspoken war hawks in the administration) just a few years ago. Cheney might not be personally benefitting from the contracts, but it's a wild stretch of the imagination to think that he doesn't have friends and connections still employed by his former company. In addition, Cheney's record on the truth over the past two years has been spotty at best, so I can not take his words at face value:
"And as vice president, I have absolutely no influence of, involvement of, knowledge of, in any way, shape or form of contracts let by the (U.S. Army) Corps of Engineers or anybody else in the federal government," he added.
I would support a Congressional inquiry into the contracts awarded to Haliburton and subsidiaries, but I'm not yet ready to string Cheney up (on this issue, at least).
 

XZeroII

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Read the second half of the article. I'm trying so hard not to insult you here, but you need to look at the WHOLE picture before making accusations and misleading people. The second half of the article is pretty clear on why Cheney said what he said.