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YEEhaw! This side-effect of the gay marriage ruling will make liberals EXPLODE

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eskimospy said:
It's possible he is an intelligent person who says a lot of dumb things on purpose in order to rile people up, that much I will admit.



His argument here seems to be based on a mixture of ignorance of the actual SCOTUS decision and a desire to appeal to the conservative id. There are plenty of people I disagree with who I do not think are idiots (you, for example!), it's just that Allen West doesn't happen to be one of those people.

Regardless, are you aware of any person with actual legal training that agree's with Mr. West's evaluation of the decision's impacts? He is 'just a regular fella', in his own words after all. Maybe it would be better if someone who wasn't clueless tried to make his argument.
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"The converative id"

Lol you actually read moonbeams posts.
 
xBiffx said:
... Everyone in MA had the same marriage rights. Everyone in MS had the same marriage rights. ...
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Nope. Women could marry men in MS, but men were denied the right to marry men in MS. Discrimination based on sex. Violation of equal protection clause.
 
xBiffx said:
I think some people are failing to realize exactly what was said. Conceal carry permits for a given state must now be recognized by all 50 states. They also must be issued by all 50 states. Why? Because marriage licenses have to be issued and recognized across all 50 states according to the SC decision. They have to be equally applied to all.

It is specifically because of the SC use of the 14th amendment that this is so. If marriage falls under the definition of the 14th amendment and must be license and recognized, then surely something that is specifically called for in the Constitution should be also recognized.

Here is the 14th amendment.



That doesn't talk at all about what goes on within a specific state. It talks about what goes on for all citizens of the United States regardless of where they live. Again, if marriage law falls under the 14th, then surely gun laws do as well.
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What you are doing is making a case that because one thing, same sex marriage, is not a right in 50 states, that some sacred cow of yours must not be legal in all 50 states. All you have to do is spend years and years of activism, years and years of proving to the people that your law will not affect them, and work it up through the courts till it reaches the Supreme Court and they agree with you. In the process I am sure you will find out just how much legal logic you have behind you.

It could not have been more self evident that sex was no reason to deny people the right to marry a willing of age person that they love, just like straight people could, but still the decision was only 5 to 4. I wish you luck with your chances. I really don't care if all the states have the same gun laws or not, but your thinking and the arguments you present here are illogical and wrong. Two people of age in one state can marry and their marriage recognized in a different state they would be too young to be married in. Your arguments fly out the window.
 
OverVolt said:
"The converative id"

Lol you actually read moonbeams posts.
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I have never used the expression, conservative Id. And just because you can read doesn't mean you comprehend shit. If you had even a smidgeon of intelligence you would know that if you think somebody reads my posts by what you see in theirs, then you are reading mine too, you idiot.
 
xBiffx said:
Thread isn't about same sex marriage. Go find one of the other threads that is and post this in there.

The decision has more implications, that is the topic.
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And yet, here is your thread title:

YEEhaw! This side-effect of the gay marriage ruling will make liberals EXPLODE
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must be some of that jiggery-pokery.
 
xBiffx said:
Since when does discrimination only apply to sex, color, or sexual orientation? The broader definition applies to anyone being treated differently according to a classification. That applies to people executing their right to bear arms. Citizens are not able to execute that right equally across the country.

Besides, this isn't about discrimination at all. The ruling wasn't about discrimination. That was never part of it. It was always about equal protection. That is exactly why the 14th was cited as part of the decision.

So based on the ruling, citizens aren't currently afforded equal protection regarding the ability to execute their right to bear arms seeing is how this is exactly what was going on with marriage. Only, again, marriage never used to be a right before now and its still isn't enumerated in the Constitution.

Regardless of if you think the ruling applies to the right to bear arms, you still have to agree that marriage is now a more protected activity than owning guns in this country. That is absolutely ridiculous.
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You're missing an essential point: The BASIC "right to marry" is now protected in each state. Or to put it another way, in every state couples are guaranteed a right to marry. In addition, in every state, whatever benefits and privileges accrue to an opposite-sex married couple in that state must also accrue to same-sex married couple in the same state. But that doesn't mean that the marriage-benefits and marriage-privileges of married couples in state A must be identical to the marriage-benefits and marriage-privileges of married couples in state B. In a similar way, people in every state have a basic right to own firearms, but that doesn't mean that state A doesn't have the latitude to grant firearm owners greater or lesser firearm-related privileges than state B does.

West is a fool (or a demagogue) because he equates the right the bear arms with the right to a concealed-carry permit.
 
xBiffx said:
Yeah, that ruling word is meaningless. Move along, nothing to see here.
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you are attempting to compare a ruling regarding same sex marriage to a potential ruling regarding guns. As it currently stands, one is an explicitly defined right and the other is not.

The substance of each ruling is essential to your attempt at fostering this discussion.

Anyway, the gulf between these two issues in terms of the constitution and this SCOTUS decision could not be greater.
 
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The side effect of the gay marriage ruling that seems to be making liberals heads explode is the extent opponents of gay marriage will go to to pretend it's not actually the law now. State Attorney Generals flat-out saying "we won't allow it" blows my mind much more than some half-wit right-wing pundit moron trying to pull a "GOTCHA" moment out of his hat because he does not understand the law. Attorney Generals are supposed to have a handle on that sort of thing.
 
And the back peddling starts!

Why are righties so fucking retarded when it comes to logic?


xBiffx said:
I didn't claim it, I merely posted a link to someone who did. I think its worth discussing that claim, however. The discussion isn't about same sex marriage at all. Its about the SC decision and its implications regarding other issues.

Short version: thread is about everything else the ruling can possibly be applied to but same sex marriage. More specifically, the right to bear arms.
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xBiffx said:
How was that any different with marriage before this ruling? People in one state could marry anyone whereas people in another could not.

The SC has said that people across states have to be afforded the same protection. That doesn't apply to just marriage.



It sure it. Yet its not happening. You are the idiot if you can't see that. People in different states have different privileges regarding the right to bear arms but someone not with marriage anymore.
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Uh wut? Every state, as far as I know, gave marriage licenses to all heterosexual couples, the descrimination happened when those same states didn't give licenses to homosexual couples. The only way states can avoid same sex marriage is by no longer offering marriage licenses to everyone.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
The side effect of the gay marriage ruling that seems to be making liberals heads explode is the extent opponents of gay marriage will go to to pretend it's not actually the law now. State Attorney Generals flat-out saying "we won't allow it" blows my mind much more than some half-wit right-wing pundit moron trying to pull a "GOTCHA" moment out of his hat because he does not understand the law. Attorney Generals are supposed to have a handle on that sort of thing.
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It's that old quaint southern tradition of not following federal law until federal marshals show up at the capitol steps and proceed to invite them into civilized society.
 
He thinks that the Supreme Court forced other states to issue same-sex licenses because some states were already doing it.

I know, right?
 
ivwshane said:
And the back peddling starts!

Why are righties so fucking retarded when it comes to logic?
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You know perfectly well why. They use their intelligence to fabricate rationalizations that justify the altered reality they hide in to protect their egos from awakening to how inferior they actually do feel. They can achieve the heights of logical stupidity and never see a trace of it. Meanwhile, the bubble they live in is a total waste because there's really nothing inferior about them that's real. The deeper you believe you are worthless the deeper the denial of that feeling. We humans are hilarious.
 
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