Years After States Adopt Common Core, 2018 Sees Worst ACT Scores in over a Decade

[UglyCasanova]

https://www.westernjournal.com/years-states-adopt-common-core-2018-sees-worst-act-scores-decade/

I have two kids who have gone through common core, and fundamentally I like what it’s trying to achieve but realistically it falls far short. My daughters homework is a convoluted mess, it makes her do the math problems in very time consuming / not practical ways. There’s a lot of it worth saving, but there’s a lot that we should do away with as well.

 

[UNCjigga]

I'd love to compare SAT/ACT scores over the past decade between students at traditional public schools on common core, students at alternative schools funded via public dollars (charter schools & vouchers), parochial schools, and home schools (comparing like for like demographics/incomes and districts where appropriate.)

 

[Genx87]

Over this time period how much more have we spent on K-12 education in this country?

 

[sactoking]

Ahhh, the old common core boogeyman.

Again let us not forget that common core is a set of STANDARDS, it is not a curriculum.

It is more probable, in my opinion, that Texas holds more responsibility for failing test scores than does common core. After all, Texas uses its leverage to dictate the curricula and textbooks used by a large part of the country.

 

[zinfamous]

Hmm, comments section. I'm sure this data is thoroughly controlled for the dozens of variables that manage to eliminate false causation and all that.

I am certainly sure that this targeted journal not only properly interpreted this study, but did due diligence to insure that this study had any merit.

Oh, I am quite positive.

 

[Brainonska511]

Don't know why you're worried about ACTs and SATs, they are only very loosely correlated with college success. In fact, we should just do away with these two tests.

 

[fskimospy]

Ahhh, the old common core boogeyman.

Again let us not forget that common core is a set of STANDARDS, it is not a curriculum.

It is more probable, in my opinion, that Texas holds more responsibility for failing test scores than does common core. After all, Texas uses its leverage to dictate the curricula and textbooks used by a large part of the country.

Yes, exactly this. People often confuse common core standards for some sort of mandated way to teach things, which it is not. If you don't like your kids' homework, talk to your school district.

Also, parents have frequently criticized some of the math concepts that common core emphasizes because they do not understand the purpose. Common Core emphasizes actual understanding of the concepts instead of brute force, rote memorization. This is particularly noticeable in math.

http://www.columbian.com/news/2015/feb/20/common-core-standards-widely-misunderstood-researc/

 

[brycejones]

The OP is very concerned. Also WTF is this website? Its got a story about Transgenders regretting surgury and a Branco Hillary cartoon on the front page.

OP and sources yet again.

Maybe we do need a running thread for the OP. The subject could be:

Crazy shit Uglygoatboy is very concerned about from craptasitc sources

 

[Maxima1]

Don't know why you're worried about ACTs and SATs, they are only very loosely correlated with college success. In fact, we should just do away with these two tests.

It only looks that way because universities select from a narrow range of SAT/ACT scores. It's important to look at other factors, though. High high school grades, for example, can be an indicator of a good student that puts in time to study. Someone can be smart, but be an underachiever in more rigorous programs if they don't put in time to study.

 

[Vic]

Yes, exactly this. People often confuse common core standards for some sort of mandated way to teach things, which it is not. If you don't like your kids' homework, talk to your school district.

Also, parents have frequently criticized some of the math concepts that common core emphasizes because they do not understand the purpose. Common Core emphasizes actual understanding of the concepts instead of brute force, rote memorization. This is particularly noticeable in math.

http://www.columbian.com/news/2015/feb/20/common-core-standards-widely-misunderstood-researc/

Yep, every single complaint I've ever seen about "Common Core math" has come from someone who seemingly doesn't understand math outside of brute force and rote memorization.

 

[Brainonska511]

It only looks that way because universities select from a narrow range of SAT/ACT scores. It's important to look at other factors, though. High high school grades, for example, can be an indicator of a good student that puts in time to study. Someone can be smart, but be an underachiever in more rigorous programs if they don't put in time to study.

Scores are more highly correlated with economic standing than aptitude. The tests are a waste of time and money and further disadvantage people already disadvtanged by their circumstances in life.

The same issue applies to requiring the GRE for PhD programs.

 

[kage69]

Thank goodness we've got Betsy DeVos to fix it all. Right?

 

[fskimospy]

Yep, every single complaint I've ever seen about "Common Core math" has come from someone who seemingly doesn't understand math outside of brute force and rote memorization.

They also seem to think that the 'common core math' way is being taught instead of the old brute force way, which is untrue. It is being taught IN ADDITION to it. That way if all goes well kids can do the problems quickly AND understand what the hell it is they just did.

And I am back east, haha, I just thought the article did a good job of explaining the common misconceptions around common core.

 

[pauldun170]

Ummmmm.....

Not to be a dick but I'm going to drop these 3 links here and let you figure out what my response to this thread would be if I typed it out.

https://blog.prepscholar.com/average-act-score-for-2015-2014-2013-and-earlier-years
https://www.applerouth.com/blog/201...ues-more-students-getting-perfect-36s-on-act/
https://www.insidehighered.com/admi...ct-scores-drop-only-asian-americans-saw-gains

 

[Jhhnn]

One thing I'm sure of is that Trumpism illustrates how badly we've failed at education in Civics & in the principles of democracy.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Ahhh, the old common core boogeyman.

Again let us not forget that common core is a set of STANDARDS, it is not a curriculum.

It is more probable, in my opinion, that Texas holds more responsibility for failing test scores than does common core. After all, Texas uses its leverage to dictate the curricula and textbooks used by a large part of the country.

Agreed, this right here, 100%

 

[umbrella39]

Thank goodness we've got Betsy DeVos to fix it all. Right?

That twat? How this bitch is allowed to run ANY department is beyond any semblance of reason... Especially while she CLEARLY has conflicts of interest oozing out of every pore....


Devos-Backed Group Pumps $1.2M Into Proposal 2 Opposition

This proposal would create a commission including four Democrats, four Republicans and five self-identified independents to draw political boundaries every 10 years, a process the GOP-led Legislature controlled in 2001 and 2011.

Lansing — A conservative group with ties to the powerful DeVos family of West Michigan is pumping at least $1.2 million into an effort to fight a ballot measure for an independent redistricting commission.

The Freedom Fund, which includes multiple non-profit organizations, has longstanding ties to the DeVos family. Family members contributed a combined $250,000 to a separate but affiliated Freedom Network independent political action committee between April 21 and July 20, according to state records.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...oposal-2-redistricting-opposition/1743725002/

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Remember the other day when the OP said he only reads mainly mainstream news sites but he somehow keeps posting extreme fringe sites?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yes, exactly this. People often confuse common core standards for some sort of mandated way to teach things, which it is not. If you don't like your kids' homework, talk to your school district.

Also, parents have frequently criticized some of the math concepts that common core emphasizes because they do not understand the purpose. Common Core emphasizes actual understanding of the concepts instead of brute force, rote memorization. This is particularly noticeable in math.

http://www.columbian.com/news/2015/feb/20/common-core-standards-widely-misunderstood-researc/

Math is math...but common core is a boogeyman

 

[brycejones]

Remember the other day when the OP said he only reads mainly mainstream news sites but he somehow keeps posting extreme fringe sites?

Pepperidge Farms does.

 

[kage69]

That twat? How this bitch is allowed to run ANY department is beyond any semblance of reason... Especially while she CLEARLY has conflicts of interest oozing out of every pore....


Devos-Backed Group Pumps $1.2M Into Proposal 2 Opposition

This proposal would create a commission including four Democrats, four Republicans and five self-identified independents to draw political boundaries every 10 years, a process the GOP-led Legislature controlled in 2001 and 2011.

Lansing — A conservative group with ties to the powerful DeVos family of West Michigan is pumping at least $1.2 million into an effort to fight a ballot measure for an independent redistricting commission.

The Freedom Fund, which includes multiple non-profit organizations, has longstanding ties to the DeVos family. Family members contributed a combined $250,000 to a separate but affiliated Freedom Network independent political action committee between April 21 and July 20, according to state records.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...oposal-2-redistricting-opposition/1743725002/

That is indeed the clueless twat I was referring to, yes. It's baffling, I agree. I've heard her attempt to answer very easy and straight forward questions on several occasions, and each time it confirms my view of her being a female Dubya. As affluent as she is unintelligent, a paragon of nepotism. One more than happy to outsource thinking and judgment to private political/religious interests, just like Dubya.

Have to say though, I love how pretty much every woman I know just seethes at the mention of her name. I like to see that motivation.

 

[thraashman]

Remember the other day when the OP said he only reads mainly mainstream news sites but he somehow keeps posting extreme fringe sites?

I was not familiar with Western Journal. But they don't seem to be a very good source of unbiased journalism. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/western-journalism/

 

[Sunburn74]

Scores are more highly correlated with economic standing than aptitude. The tests are a waste of time and money and further disadvantage people already disadvtanged by their circumstances in life.

The same issue applies to requiring the GRE for PhD programs.

Bingo.
The best marker of success with testing has nothing to do with intelligence but socioeconomic standing. If you're interested in raising test scores, convert all public schools to 12 mo long, unisex boarding schools and you'll see things change immediately (basically take socioeconomic situations and unstable parental issues out of the equation. I'm not advocating this btw but just saying it's the quickest way to prove the point )

 

[UglyCasanova]

We don’t need to become a nation devoted to testing and there’s far too much of it going on to the detriment of learning both academically as well as socially and physically because kids don’t have enough social time playing with friends. I like the idea of new math and teaching kids what they are actually doing vs steps to get at an answer without knowing what the hell you did.

 

[Sunburn74]

We don’t need to become a nation devoted to testing and there’s far too much of it going on to the detriment of learning both academically as well as socially and physically because kids don’t have enough social time playing with friends. I like the idea of new math and teaching kids what they are actually doing vs steps to get at an answer without knowing what the hell you did.

I don't know what kind of math they are teaching where one magically gets to the right answer without knowing how.