Yeah, so I'm scared...

[Superdoopercooper]

Oh... don't mean to dampen the situation... but the other problem here is that in the last 5-10 years, EVERYONE and their mom switched to IT/IS/MIS/etc.... so now the market is flooded with people in those areas.

I noticed when I was at MIT... the number of EE's went down every year, while the # of CS and CE type folks went up.... sure, those CS/CE people were making serious bank after graduation compared to the EE's.... (and probably still are)... but the market for EE's is still pretty good. There just aren't enough these days.

Plus... people in the MCSE (and that type of certification) jobs... well, I think the market got saturated with that expertise too. I could be wrong... but in my pinhole view-point... that's sort of what I've seen... and that is what is causign the new grads to get chumped on salary. OF course... the dudes with plenty of years in the market are doing well.... so, you'll probably just have to bite the bullet for a year or two, get some experience (or get your masters), and then start looking for the big bankroll in the sky.

 

[Carbo]

gg, while I applaud your work ethic, there isn't a dollar value that can be placed on spontaneous adventure. I dismay at the lack of adventure and spontaniety that twenty somethings show today. Get a job you don't particularly enjoy, buy a shiny import, have a midlife crisis at 40 and wonder why the hell you never crossed Switzerland on a train with no destination. Leaves me skaking my head.

 

[StageLeft]

Get a job you don't particularly enjoy, buy a shiny import, have a midlife crisis at 40 and wonder why the hell you never crossed Switzerland on a train with no destination. Leaves me skaking my head.

It pains me that you can summarize my current life and future so succinctly. I have done travelling - even on a train in switzlerland. But at 23 all I want now is a secure job and family, etc.

 

[Carbo]

<< It pains me that you can summarize my current life and future so succinctly. I have done travelling - even on a train in switzlerland. >>

I wasn't talking to you specifically. If you've taken time off to refresh your soul, good for you. Chill, and don't be so self absorbed to assume all posts center around you.

 

[ggavinmoss]

<< gg, while I applaud your work ethic, there isn't a dollar value that can be placed on spontaneous adventure. I dismay at the lack of adventure and spontaniety that twenty somethings show today. Get a job you don't particularly enjoy, buy a shiny import, have a midlife crisis at 40 and wonder why the hell you never crossed Switzerland on a train with no destination. Leaves me skaking my head. >>



Hey dumbass, before you tell me to live an adventure ask me what I'm doing.

I graduated from college in June with a degree in C.S. I chose the road less traveled for people in my position and decided to try consulting (for one of the big 5 consulting firms). With how great consulting firms are, I had my start date pushed back 3 times -- the last one by 6 months (only weeks before I was slated to start training). I passed up 5 other good offers to get shafted. Now, I'm searching for a job in a terrorist ridden economy and finding some luck.

So as far as an adventure, I'm living it. I don't presume to know you the way you presume to know me, but I will say this: you can have your train to Switzerland, because I don't need it.

-geoff

 

[Carbo]

geoff, all those years of schooling and you haven't learned to have a discussion with someone who holds a differing opinion?
If seeking employment is your idea of an adventure you're too far gone to help. Believe me, you need a train to somewhere, to anywhere, more than you realize. Because what I see is one of the angry and frustrated lemmings that Thoreau wrote of.
But, you're covered. You're already blaming everyone else and the events around you for your failings and lack of vision.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Actually, my friend has to do 6 months of training at Goldman in NYC, then he'll work out at their San Francisco office. Expensive, but nice!

As I said, I am a Management major here, so I think $28K is decent as a co-op or someone without a degree.

 

[ggavinmoss]

Who am I blaming? My work fell through and I picked myself up and am trying again. If you sense a tone of "poor me" you're not going to find it. (I was merely pointing out that it is a lot harder to find a job NOW than when I was looking 9-12 months ago -- which it categorically is.) On the other hand, I don't have the resources to trapse about Europe and live some idealistic, nomadic lifestyle. You need to get a grip and quit making presumptions about people you don't know. And I would tend to disagree with you that the only adventure that can change your life is one thousands of miles from home.

As far as the initial comment goes, you are more than entitled to your view, as am I. Let's agree to disagree on the finer points of 401k contributions at an early age, versus vacation spots in Europe, ok?

-geoff

 

[StageLeft]

Chill, and don't be so self absorbed to assume all posts center around you

Damn, I thought travelling was supposed to relax you. I WAS JOKING.

 

[Ultima]

<< It doesn't make sense though, $20k? that's messed up, with university degree and all that? I'm a first-year college student and my interview for my job today was $10hr.. were that full time it'd be $20k. So that doesn't make much sense at all.

-RSI >>



damn, thats low

My mom works as an accountant, does 60 hour shifts sometimes, and only makes $31K Canadian. She does a hell of a job too, often filling in for other people, yet her bosses treat her like crap. She's considered quitting but we need the money. Damn economy

 

[brownout]

Goldfish


<< With spelling that good I don't knw why they wouldn't hire you. >>



I'm so sorry that I'm not perfect in every aspect just because I went to college. Besides, I wrote this at 6 in the morning and had a brain-fart. Besides, you shouldn't be talking (knw).


Otherwise thanks for the input guys. I always thought that $40,000 was a modest amount (it is here in Albuquerque). But I do now realize that I'm going to have to take what I can get. Money really isn't a big issue with me right now. I guess that may have come off a little wrong. It used to be a priority for me (when the economy was on fire) but now I'm just concerned with getting a job and was wondering if most college students getting ready to graduate go through the same things that I'm experiencing.