Yeah, so I went through Phoenix today...

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IronWing

IronWing

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I'm not saying Phoenix is a crap hole but..

Okay, yes, yes I am saying Phoenix is a crap hole.

We was drivin' down 19th today along the construction zone for the light rail extension. Three boisterous boys, likely high school in age, were walking along the sidewalk together when they started pushing and shoving each other. One got pushed off the sidewalk in front of my truck. Between the my keen ability to identify pending traffic problems and my lightning fast reflexes (and the fact that we only going about five miles per hour anyway) I was able to stop my truck before creaming the wayward dude. At this point in time, most high schoolers would have that sheepish "oops" look and cool it. At this point, that isn't what happened. They went back to pushing and shoving and then one dumbass pulled a gun out from his pants and sorts of waves it at the other two. The other kids are like me being like "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?" Unlike me though they stood there. If they had been like me they would have been out of there. Looking in the mirror I see that the kid with the gun had dropped his backpack and was scrambling to pick it up and run away. No shots were fired but I get the idea that gun boy had realized he just pulled a gun in front of dozens of witnesses and decided maybe it was time to be someone somewhere else.

BTW, if you happen to be in Prescott the buttered popcorn flavored ice cream at the Devil's Pantry is delicious.

tl;dr: Phoenix is a crap hole.
 
DesiPower

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Like any city, it has bad parts and good parts. What you described OP, can be found in any city in US. On the flip side, Scottsdale is also a part of Phoenix
 
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XavierMace

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IronWing said:
I'm not saying Phoenix is a crap hole but..
We was drivin' down 19th today
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That's all you had to say for me to know you're in the shitty part of Phoenix. Admittedly that describes a lot of ACTUAL Phoenix (versus the various suburbs). Gilbert is nice, Paradise Valley is nice. Guadalupe is a true shithole.

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On the flip side, Scottsdale is also a part of Phoenix
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You aren't helping Phoenix's case here.
 
bbhaag

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I had a car stolen in Phoenix once. I agree that city is a crap hole. It smells bad to. I do like northern Arizona though. The natural beauty of Oak Creek Canyon and the surrounding area is nice.
 
Markbnj

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Did you just snap judge an entire metropolitan area based on a random encounter with three rude (ok, and one armed) teenagers?

But yes, the main thought that I have when I'm out there is why the hell did whoever stopped and built a city in that place decide to stop and build a goddamn city in that place? It was not that much further to California.
 
IronWing

IronWing

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XavierMace said:
That's all you had to say for me to know you're in the shitty part of Phoenix. Admittedly that describes a lot of ACTUAL Phoenix (versus the various suburbs). Gilbert is nice, Paradise Valley is nice. Guadalupe is a true shithole.

You aren't helping Phoenix's case here.
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Guadalupe has better food than Scottsdale. Gilbert reminds me of that line from L.A. Story. "Some of these houses are over twenty years old!" except with Gilbert, it's more like five years.

I spent quite bit of time in Phoenix on business trips, mostly near the Metro Center (if there was ever a place that could use good, solid, honest bulldozer work, there it is). I used to go walking through Sunny Slope which is supposed to make Guadalupe look good but never had any problems with violent people.
 
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Childs

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Markbnj said:
But yes, the main thought that I have when I'm out there is why the hell did whoever stopped and built a city in that place decide to stop and build a goddamn city in that place? It was not that much further to California.
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Probably water. Most towns popped up around a steady source of water, which was important when you travel by horse. Can't be too choosey from say Texas to California.
 
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XavierMace

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IronWing said:
Guadalupe has better food than Scottsdale. Gilbert reminds me of that line from L.A. Story. "Some of these houses are over twenty years old!" except with Gilbert, it's more like five years.

I spent quite bit of time in Phoenix on business trips, mostly near the Metro Center (if there was ever a place that could use good, solid, honest bulldozer work, there it is). I used to go walking through Sunny Slope which is supposed to make Guadalupe look good but never had any problems with violent people.
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Yeah, it's got good Mexican food. I can't imagine why. Doesn't make it less of a shithole though. I'm not enough of a douche bag to eat/live in Scottsdale. You can get better for less in numerous places around town. Downtown Gilbert (I use that term loosely) has some of the oldest standing buildings in the state but yeah, most of the city is less than 15 years old.

They declared the whole Metrocenter area a "blight" over a year ago. They've got plans to pretty much level the area.

My main point was most cities the size of Phoenix have undesirable areas. See more of the city before you decide you hate it.
 
jlee

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19th Ave?

Yeah, don't go there. WTF. Northwest-ish Phoenix is a shithole.

Try East Phoenix. Tempe. Scottsdale.
 
MagnusTheBrewer

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Don't you love how Phoenix is defined by the suburbs and towns it's grown into? Phoenix is a large city like Chicago, Seattle, Houston or, Boston with none of the redeeming features history and culture have given the other cities. The only culture I can think of in Phoenix is crazed politicians and absentee ownership.
 
jlee

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MagnusTheBrewer said:
Don't you love how Phoenix is defined by the suburbs and towns it's grown into? Phoenix is a large city like Chicago, Seattle, Houston or, Boston with none of the redeeming features history and culture have given the other cities. The only culture I can think of in Phoenix is crazed politicians and absentee ownership.
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I hate Boston. Seattle isn't bad.

Btw - Boston has 645k people. Phoenix has ~1.6 million (4.3 million in the metro area). Not even close..
 
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MagnusTheBrewer said:
Don't you love how Phoenix is defined by the suburbs and towns it's grown into? Phoenix is a large city like Chicago, Seattle, Houston or, Boston with none of the redeeming features history and culture have given the other cities. The only culture I can think of in Phoenix is crazed politicians and absentee ownership.
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There is no culture in Houston either.
 
MrPickins

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My brother lived in Chandler, nice place. Now he lives in east Mesa, nice part of town. Mesa has it's shithole areas to.
 
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Spent 2 weeks Golfing there in February and I really liked it. Went all over the valley, only dodgy stuff was when I was gassing up the rental near the airport the morning I was leaving, lot's of homeless and undesirables everywhere there.
 
MagnusTheBrewer

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jlee said:
To each his own. If you don't like it, stay out. Moar space for me. :)
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I used to live about 40 feet off the East runway of the old airport. I worked downtown. I got a chuckle every day seeing office workers wear sweaters in the summer because the buildings were run at 60 degrees while outside, the blacktop got so hot it leveled itself in the street so one side the curb was an inch high and the other a foot and a half. My point still stands. Phoenix has all of the faults of a large city and none of the merits.
 
jlee

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How much is housing in the "good" parts of Phoenix?
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I live in a decent area - I have 1825sqft, 3br 2ba on .23 acres with a diving pool and 2 car garage, remodeled in 2011. I paid $140k in early 2013.
 
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