Yeah... Even after 2 different antibiotics, I still cough.

[JDrake]

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/healt...1146801600&en=99997fc18e3fe495&ei=5070

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/24/healt...1146801600&en=4f638765466e2a39&ei=5070

 

[Slew Foot]

A quick search on PubMed reveals....

Pub med search

 

[montanafan]

Same kind of coughing thing here. A friend at work and I both started with the bad cough, then laryngitis, then everything was fine except for the coughing, especially when trying to sleep and mornings. Can go all day with hardly a cough, but returns at night and in the morning. We've both had it for about three weeks now. She went to the doctor, was told that it was a sinus infection and was put on antibiotics, but they haven't helped the cough, I haven't done anything for it.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

uh... do you have any clue what you're talking about? because it seems to me that you obviously don't know anything about the education required to become a chiropractor and would rather adhere to things that you've heard about in the past. i will be the first to admit that chiropractors are notorious for being bad at taking and reading x-rays. however, that has more to do with the fact that most of the chiropractors out in practice now didn't have a proper diagnostic imaging education. things have changed within the past decade as far as education.

I worked in health care for several years. You seem to be suggesting that chiropractors get better training than they used to, and this training actually attempts to mimick the training that conventional medicine has long established as the standard. In other words, chiropractors have become better trained only to that extent chiropractors have been forced to distance themselves from the profession's defining cult-like philosophical roots and embrace the standards of evidence-based conventional medicine, known as 'reformist' chiropractors.

Its good to hear that training for chiropractors has vastly improved in the five years that I have been out of the medical field, but five years is hardly enough to make-up for 100+ years of cult-like quackery whose founding philosophy of illness has been thoroughly discredited by science and whose early practitioners can be traced to every manner of religious healer and snake oil salesmen of the past before medical practice laws were enacted and medical services regulated.

Even supposing chiropractors are receiving better training that attempts to rise to the standard of conventional medicine and distance themselves from heavily discredited non-scientific philosophy of illness, it begs the question; why would anyone want to enter this field knowing its founding to recent history and its on-going internal struggle between reformist and classic practitioners?

Every person I know who uses a chiropractor has said they market highly profitable nutritional, organic, and herbal supplement products from their office claiming to treat, remedy, or promote the health of virtually everything. The more things change, it would seem, the more they stay the same.

you couldn't possibly be more wrong about virtually everything you said. where did you get the notion that chiropractic was a cult or that had anything to do with religion or snakes?

i know you're ignorant of chiropractic, so i'll explain a couple things for you. first off, chiropractors have to go through 5 years of medical schooling and need to have a bachelor's degree. the med schooling is because in order to diagnose and treat, you have to know how to. you need to know the science in order to apply the philosophy. as scienctific discoveries are constant in healthcare, everyone involved needs to stay abreast of what the education to stay effective and legitimate. without proper education and practice to validate our philosophy, chiropractors would be illegitimate. thankfully, chiropractic has stuck with the times and continues to gain validation from the public as an alternative to a monopolizing, yet not flawless, form of healthcare.

secondly, chiropractic's roots were based on the belief that your nerves control everything in the body and if the signal is somehow altered or impeded, it could cause illnesses, ailments, and dis-eases and that the body heals itself. the main belief about the human body is that it always tries to heal itself according to the information it's getting. if you're getting improper information from the brain to a certain part of the body, the body acts accordingly, which might cause a problem. according to your views of chiropractic, the roots of the medical profession started out as cultism and religion as well... one thing you might want to make sure you do is read up on the histories and roots of the various healthcare professions. that way, you won't sound silly when you talk to someone who knows what they're talking about.

i don't see where religion or cultism comes into play with this "radical" philosophy. it's apparent that you, just like many others, have bought into the propaganda against chiropractors ever sicne the 1920s by the american medical association in order to eliminate competition in healthcare.

it would benefit you to read this

also, what kind of work did you do at the doctor's office up until 5 years ago?

 

[Ricemarine]

Originally posted by: Colt45
it's dolts like you that make antibiotics quit working.

the antibiotics are for your sinus infection, not the cough.
the cough is probably just a normal cold which is a virus. no cure. suck it up.

That must be a very long cold then that I have huh?... A VERY LONG ONE... Or a long cough?... No I'm not the one that wrote about back problems... Yet some symptoms of sinus infection still remains... Also keep in mind my doctor prescribed me the antibiotics... so in this case if symptoms are still occuring, its in my best interest to try an alternative method of relieving the symptoms of the problem.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
A quick search on PubMed reveals....

Pub med search

http://www.bodyzone.com/articles/article.html?id=65
http://www.awomansviews.com/health/0103_sinus.htm
http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/allergiesasthma/a/SinusCongestion.htm
http://www.medformation.com/ac/CAM.nsf/consconditions/Sinusitiscc.html
http://www.ithelpedme.com/sinus.htm
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1608/is_10_18/ai_91752409

if you prefer pubmed:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=pubmed EDIT: type "chiropractic sinus" in the search field.... also type in "chiropractic infection" and "chiropractic sinusitis"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer...5965403&query_hl=3&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer...7706959&query_hl=3&itool=pubmed_docsum

 

[eits]

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[Colt45]

Originally posted by: Ricemarine

Originally posted by: Colt45
it's dolts like you that make antibiotics quit working.

the antibiotics are for your sinus infection, not the cough.
the cough is probably just a normal cold which is a virus. no cure. suck it up.

That must be a very long cold then that I have huh?... A VERY LONG ONE... Or a long cough?... No I'm not the one that wrote about back problems... Yet some symptoms of sinus infection still remains... Also keep in mind my doctor prescribed me the antibiotics... so in this case if symptoms are still occuring, its in my best interest to try an alternative method of relieving the symptoms of the problem.

then change the thread title so it says "i still have a sinus infection" not i still cough. idiot.

you've never had a cough for 3 weeks? it happens.

 

[tcsenter]

you couldn't possibly be more wrong about virtually everything you said. where did you get the notion that chiropractic was a cult or that had anything to do with religion or snakes?

Since you're citing Wikipedia as a reliable source...

Chiropractic was founded by Daniel David Palmer in Davenport, Iowa. He said he "received chiropractic from the other world" during a seance, from a deceased physician named Dr. Jim Atkinson. D.D. Palmer regarded chiropractic as partly religious in nature, and in a letter of May 4, 1911 he said: "we must have a religious head, one who is the founder, as did Christ, Mohamed, Jo. Smith, Mrs. Eddy, Martin Luther and other who have founded religions. I am the fountain head. I am the founder of chiropractic in its science, in its art, in its philosophy and in its religious phase."

Keating et al writing for the Association for the History of Chiropractic said D.D. Palmer "introduced the concept of Innate Intelligence circa 1904. Innate, he believed, was an intelligent entity which directed all the functions of the body, and used the nervous system to exert its influence. (Donahue 1986, 1987)."

In 1998, Lon Morgan, D.C., wrote, in the Journal of the Canadian Chiropractic Association, "Innate Intelligence clearly has its origins in borrowed mystical and occult practices of a bygone era. It remains untestable and unverifiable and has an unacceptably high penalty/benefit ratio for the chiropractic profession. The chiropractic concept of Innate Intelligence is an anachronistic holdover from a time when insufficient scientific understanding existed to explain human physiological processes. It is clearly religious in nature and must be considered harmful to normal scientific activity."

This "pinched hose theory" has long been abandoned. However, the concept of the subluxation, supported by a relatively large volume of anecdotal evidence, remains an integral part of the typical chiropractic practice, despite there being no accepted scientific basis for it. Nevertheless, in 2003 90% of chiropractors believed the vertebral subluxation complex played a significant role in all or most diseases, and practiced accordingly.

Palmer imbued the term "subluxation" with a metaphysical and philosophical meaning. He held that certain dislocations of bones interfered with the "innate intelligence", a kind of spiritual energy or life force dependent upon a Universal Intelligence that connects the brain to the rest of the body. Palmer claimed that subluxations interfered with the proper communication of this innate intelligence with the rest of the body, and that, by fixing them, 100% of all diseases could be treated.

It is rather interesting that you repeatedly assert I demonstrate little knowledge of chiropractic history and contemporary practice, and yet nothing I have stated has not been confirmed and validated by some of the greatest critics of chiropractic quackery - reformist chiropractors who are trying to salvage what is left of the profession's credibility and pull the other 90% of chiropractors out of 'anecdote-based' or 'philosophy-based' standards of evidence.

 

[eits]

there's no authentic or physical document that supports dd palmer ever saying "we must have a religious head, one who is the founder, as did Christ, Mohamed, Jo. Smith, Mrs. Eddy, Martin Luther and other who have founded religions. I am the fountain head. I am the founder of chiropractic in its science, in its art, in its philosophy and in its religious phase."

and i didn't say wikipedia as a reliable source... i just picked any site that summed up the wilk case in a small enough package so you could read it. also, the difference between the wiki i gave you and the wiki you gave me is that yours had a disclaimer at the top lets people know that the contents of the page are under dispute and therefore shouldn't be taken as being 100% reliable. the wiki i gave you was one that gave an actual account of a supreme court case... not exactly something that can be disputable (which would render it as having a high degree of validity).

innate intelligence is simply the view that our bodies use the tools given to it through science in order to heal itself. your body's got a vitalistic intelligence that you're born with (innate) to try and repair or heal anything that's wrong with it without voluntary control. maybe it seemed like a religious or mysical theory in the early 1900s because science never explained it and everyone within the scientific community overlooked such a rudimentary fact of biology. the body's innate will and inclination to heal/fix itself when something's wrong is not something that, to this day, hasn't been and/or can't be explained through science. that's probably where critics of chiropractic are getting caught up with the whole religion/cult/mysticism thing... because it's something that, to our best ability, cannot be experimented or explained through scientific means.

as for universal intelligence, the source also has that wrong. universal intelligence is basically the law of thermodynamics, in a sense. it's the physics that we can see in the world that acts upon things. it is what makes friction, gravity, etc.... just like how innate intelligence is constructive, universal intelligence is destructive. however, in order for innate intelligence to manifest, universal intelligence must be present. of course, all of this sounds ridiculous and cultish to you, but that's just because you never learned about it or at least their relationship between each other. you mainly only learned about universal intelligence (under newton's terms, of course).

again, as i said before, you really don't know much about chiropractic history... i even dare say you don't know much about the human body, pathology, physiology, or anything of the like. therefore, what gives your opinion any validity when you've never cared enough to buy out of the propaganda and have an unbiased opinion.

what drove me to wanting to be a doctor of chiropractic rather than a medical doctor is because i became disenchanted with the allopathic model of completely disregarding or not giving credit to the human body's amazing complexity and control via the nervous system and treating symptoms only to potentially cause more down the line. med school was easier and less patient-oriented, yet much more unfoundedly and blindly arrogant than chiropractic school is. just because there are more medical studies done and published than chiropractic ones doesn't lend more credence to the medical field... it's all based on money and politics with organizations, associations, and institutes. you, working for a doctor's office for several years, should have enough experience and aptitude to at least concede that... but you don't. instead, you'd rather join the popular kids and continue their legacy of spreading rumors about the wallflowers.

by the way, you never answered my question about what you did when you worked at a doctor's office.