YAWT: Overtime on salaried position

[chuckywang]

How much is your salary?

 

[fleshconsumed]

45K downtown chicago

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
KLin
Or you could be showing them that you are happy to work underpaid and they do not have to raise your salary.

Based on your comments in this thread and the fact that this apparently is a factor in your decision to accept this job or not, I think you have the wrong attitude about your post-college career. If you're just putting in the minimum effort required and you look at your job as just a source of income, you're not going to advance in your career. Clock watchers are noticed.

You need to realize that in most salaried jobs, overtime is not paid. It is sometimes compensated with time off. At a good company, you won't work a lot of overtime anyway. On the other hand there will be many times when you are not being productive, and the company does not pay you less then. Most companies don't care if you have to take a couple of hours off to go to a doctor's appointment either. There are trade-offs to salaried positions.

 

[fleshconsumed]

mugs
It is a factor. In short I believe in learning, working with newest technologies is always more fun than being stuck in a boring support job doing the same stuff over and over again. However, while I do believe in working hard, I also believe in being compensated appropriately. That's all. If the company does not compensate appropriately and pays no overtime, what possible incentive do I have at working more than 40 hours? Now the only question is whether I'm overestimating myself or company is just looking for some cheap labor.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
I thought it odd too, but I've interviewed with several companies that do pay you extra for overtime, even as a salaried employee. Many of the other companies at least had some other type of compensation of extra hours worked, such as banking hours. I don't have a problem working up to 45 hours a week, and I know there are going to be crunch time occasionally. But if I'm working 50 hours a week every week and not getting paid extra or compensated in some way, it's time to look for another job.

What field are you in? From what I've heard, it's pretty uncommon to have a professional career with any type of a future nowdays that isn't going to require more than 40 hours/week consistently.

 

[RossGr]

You have worked long and hard to get a degree. A degree, pretty much implies that you will be working at a salried position.. Get used to it. Rather then complaining about a job that pays you real money for overtime in a salireed postion, you ought to be thrilled, that is pretty unusual, usually you count yourself lucky if comp time is available.

Sure you can refuse to work overtime. But who do you think will get the propmotions and raises. The guy who puts in lots of OT, or the guy who insists on going home at 5? Managers tend to notice such things and throw the bones to those who do the work.

All I can say is welcome to the real world.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: RossGr
You have worked long and hard to get a degree. A degree, pretty much implies that you will be working at a salried position.. Get used to it. Rather then complaining about a job that pays you real money for overtime in a salireed postion, you ought to be thrilled, that is pretty unusual, usually you count yourself lucky if comp time is available.

Sure you can refuse to work overtime. But who do you think will get the propmotions and raises. The guy who puts in lots of OT, or the guy who insists on going home at 5? Managers tend to notice such things and throw the bones to those who do the work.

All I can say is welcome to the real world.

Comp time is illegal in Illinois for the private sector.

OP, it all depends on whether your job meets the requirements of "exempt salaried" or not. Exempt workers don't get paid extra for OT, while non-exempt workers do. You need to find out more information on the actual position, then for a definitive answer, contact the Illinois Dept. of Labor and /or the US Dept. of Labor.

As many others have said, business jobs are often exempt salaried positions, which has its plusses and minuses. Personally, I prefer to get my OT for working more than 8 hours/day, (Kahleeforneeya law EXCEPT for exempt workers) and hate working as an exempt employee. IMO, it never works to your favor, only the company's.

Edit: here's the link for the US Wage & Hour board's "Fair Pay" standards:
http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/fairpay/main.htm

 

[thomsbrain]

exempt employees (salary) get paid to do the job, however long the job takes. they don't have to pay you ANY overtime, and yes, they can require that you work it. the fact that they are willing to give you a little extra compensation for going the extra mile is a good thing.

that said, i know what it's like to get paid less than you feel you are worth. it really puts a shadow over everything, even if you love the people with whom you work and you get recognized for your efforts in other ways. pats on the back don't pay the rent.

 

[KarmaPolice]

salary is salary...you dont get paid on an hourly basis so anything you get paid for more then 40 hours a week you should be happy about.

 

[doze]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
http://www.state.il.us/agency/idol/faq/qamwot.htm

"Who is exempt from being paid overtime?

The following employees are exempt from overtime pay:

Salesmen and mechanics involved in selling or servicing cars, trucks or farm implements at dealerships,
agricultural labor,
government employees,
executive, administrative or professional employees as defined by the Fair Labor Standards Act,
certain employees involved in radio/television in a city with a population under 100,000,
commissioned employees defined by Section 7(i) of the Fair Labor Standards Act,
employees who exchange hours pursuant to a workplace exchange agreement,
employees of certain educational or residential child care institutions.
For further information, click here. 820 ILCS 105/4a (2).

How do I know if I qualify as an executive, administrative or professional employee?

The law provides that two tests must be fully met to determine if you are an executive, administrative or professional employee. First, as a general rule, you must be a salaried employee. For definition of salary, see question below. Second, the primary duties you perform must also be exempt.

If I am paid on salary do I still qualify for overtime pay?
Possibly. You are paid a salary if you regularly receive each pay period on a weekly, or less frequent basis, a predetermined amount constituting all or part of your compensation, which amount is not subject to reduction because of variations in the quality or quantity of the work performed. However, an employee being paid on a salary basis is not automatically exempt from receiving overtime pay. The primary duties you perform must also be exempt to disqualify you from overtime pay."

Everyone is an executive, administrative, or professional employee

Welcome to the workforce noob :Q

 

[spidey07]

You should be very gratefull you're getting ANY money for working more than 40. That's pretty rare. I hope you don't have this expectation for any future jobs.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
I thought it odd too, but I've interviewed with several companies that do pay you extra for overtime, even as a salaried employee. Many of the other companies at least had some other type of compensation of extra hours worked, such as banking hours. I don't have a problem working up to 45 hours a week, and I know there are going to be crunch time occasionally. But if I'm working 50 hours a week every week and not getting paid extra or compensated in some way, it's time to look for another job.

What field are you in? From what I've heard, it's pretty uncommon to have a professional career with any type of a future nowdays that isn't going to require more than 40 hours/week consistently.

Computer Engineering. Depends on what type of company you work for. The commercial field is much worse with all their deadlines and quarterly reports and all that crap. Though I do have several friends who have told their employers to kiss off if they tell them to work more hours. So far, none of them have been fired.

I don't work in the commercial, or consumer, area so I rarely ever have to work overtime. Matter of fact, several companies do the 9-8 schedule. 4-nines, an eight, 4-nine, and friday off. That's the way my current company is. If we work overtime, it's just added into our vacation time, which is very nice in combination with every other friday off.

 

[dighn]

We don't get paid for OT, and that seems to be the norm for salaried workers. Fortunately we typically don't do too much OT, except for the workaholics
But the fact that they specifically stated pay for OT might mean you can expect a lot of OT :Q

 

[mercanucaribe]

Keep looking for another job.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
I thought it odd too, but I've interviewed with several companies that do pay you extra for overtime, even as a salaried employee. Many of the other companies at least had some other type of compensation of extra hours worked, such as banking hours. I don't have a problem working up to 45 hours a week, and I know there are going to be crunch time occasionally. But if I'm working 50 hours a week every week and not getting paid extra or compensated in some way, it's time to look for another job.

What field are you in? From what I've heard, it's pretty uncommon to have a professional career with any type of a future nowdays that isn't going to require more than 40 hours/week consistently.

Computer Engineering. Depends on what type of company you work for. The commercial field is much worse with all their deadlines and quarterly reports and all that crap. Though I do have several friends who have told their employers to kiss off if they tell them to work more hours. So far, none of them have been fired.

I don't work in the commercial, or consumer, area so I rarely ever have to work overtime. Matter of fact, several companies do the 9-8 schedule. 4-nines, an eight, 4-nine, and friday off. That's the way my current company is. If we work overtime, it's just added into our vacation time, which is very nice in combination with every other friday off.

What does your company make then?

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Special K
What does your company make then?

My particular division doesn't make anything. We do DoD and DoE contract predominantly. We just bill for however many hours it takes, so there usually isn't a big time constraint on the time.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Special K
What does your company make then?

My particular division doesn't make anything. We do DoD and DoE contract predominantly. We just bill for however many hours it takes, so there usually isn't a big time constraint on the work.

That's why you get OT. You're contracting. It's very rare otherwise.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Special K
What does your company make then?

My particular division doesn't make anything. We do DoD and DoE contract predominantly. We just bill for however many hours it takes, so there usually isn't a big time constraint on the work.

That's why you get OT. You're contracting. It's very rare otherwise.

That's true. Most of the companies I applied with do contract work and they're pretty much the only ones I'll apply with. Like I said, I'm not very interested in the consumer area. I interviewed with Micron and HP and wasn't too fond of their overtime policies, though HP at least had some compensation. Just can't remember what it was off hand.

 

[kranky]

From the comments you've made so far, it's clear to me that you are not going to be happy there under those conditions, so do yourself a favor and don't take the job.

That being said, you are overly focused on the overtime issue. Professional jobs frequently require more than a 40-hour week. Accept that as a given. Then what you have to do is decide if the salary adequately compensates you for the effort you will need to put forth.

Whatever job you take, you'll be happier if you stop thinking of your job as 40 hours per week and whether you will get extra pay for additional hours. Look at the job as a whole, and if the salary is OK, take it, then stop watching the clock.

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: kranky
From the comments you've made so far, it's clear to me that you are not going to be happy there under those conditions, so do yourself a favor and don't take the job.

That being said, you are overly focused on the overtime issue. Professional jobs frequently require more than a 40-hour week. Accept that as a given. Then what you have to do is decide if the salary adequately compensates you for the effort you will need to put forth.

Whatever job you take, you'll be happier if you stop thinking of your job as 40 hours per week and whether you will get extra pay for additional hours. Look at the job as a whole, and if the salary is OK, take it, then stop watching the clock.

kranky, you are the best.:thumbsup:

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: doze

Originally posted by: BoomerD
http://www.state.il.us/agency/idol/faq/qamwot.htm

"Who is exempt from being paid overtime?

The following employees are exempt from overtime pay:

Salesmen and mechanics involved in selling or servicing cars, trucks or farm implements at dealerships,
agricultural labor,
government employees,
executive, administrative or professional employees as defined by the Fair Labor Standards Act,
certain employees involved in radio/television in a city with a population under 100,000,
commissioned employees defined by Section 7(i) of the Fair Labor Standards Act,
employees who exchange hours pursuant to a workplace exchange agreement,
employees of certain educational or residential child care institutions.
For further information, click here. 820 ILCS 105/4a (2).

How do I know if I qualify as an executive, administrative or professional employee?

The law provides that two tests must be fully met to determine if you are an executive, administrative or professional employee. First, as a general rule, you must be a salaried employee. For definition of salary, see question below. Second, the primary duties you perform must also be exempt.

If I am paid on salary do I still qualify for overtime pay?
Possibly. You are paid a salary if you regularly receive each pay period on a weekly, or less frequent basis, a predetermined amount constituting all or part of your compensation, which amount is not subject to reduction because of variations in the quality or quantity of the work performed. However, an employee being paid on a salary basis is not automatically exempt from receiving overtime pay. The primary duties you perform must also be exempt to disqualify you from overtime pay."

Everyone is an executive, administrative, or professional employee

Welcome to the workforce noob :Q

Sorry, NOT everyone actually meets those legal descriptions noob.
Companies get fined pretty heavily for trying to bend job descriptions to avoid paying overtime.
I've been in the workforce for over 30 years, and while MOST of that time was as an hourly employee with union workplace contracts, I've also been a business agent for my union, where I was an exempt employee, subject to working LOOOONG hours some weeks.
The only extra compensation we got, (rare) was extra vacation days for some special chore done on a weekend at the order of the business manager.
Otherwise, we were salary slaves much the same as much of ATOT seems to be...

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Comp time is illegal in Illinois for the private sector.

Here too. Any idea why? I love the idea of comp time.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Comp time is illegal in Illinois for the private sector.

Here too. Any idea why? I love the idea of comp time.

Not sure if it's legal here, but all of our comp time is "unofficial." If I have to work on a weekend or something, my boss just says "take whatever time you think you deserve."

 

[BoomerD]

Also illegal in Kahleeforneeya. IIRC, MOST states ban comp time except for public employees.

 

[MrDudeMan]

OP, you sound arrogant and childish. Sorry, but it's true. The fact that you even brought this up shows how little experience you really have regardless of what you claim. Listen to kranky.