YAWoWT: Rogues can dodge ranged attacks!

[rh71]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: rh71
Everyone likes to complain... :roll: how these guys don't know what they're doing and how things *should be* but the reality is that everything has bugs/issues/problems.

The other reality is that most of those who complain about it so loudly have no clue how to actually fix it either. I guess you could say I'm sick of "I can do it better" complainers.

My complaint is backed up by solid facts; 4 other classes usurping rogues' PvE role, as any damage meter can tell you, and unfixed bugs admitted by Blizzard affecting PvP. I've offered solutions; buff rogue damage for PvE, fix bugs and make non-damaging AoEs not break stealth. Next time don't skip step 1) Read or 2) Think. These are integral to having an effective step 3) Post.

Actually I've been reading through the WOW forums all morning and this post was meant for them (though I don't have an account there). I didn't read through this thread (because I don't know anything [or care] about PVP) and you weren't my target.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: rh71
Everyone likes to complain... :roll: how these guys don't know what they're doing and how things *should be* but the reality is that everything has bugs/issues/problems.

The other reality is that most of those who complain about it so loudly have no clue how to actually fix it either. I guess you could say I'm sick of "I can do it better" complainers.

My complaint is backed up by solid facts; 4 other classes usurping rogues' PvE role, as any damage meter can tell you, and unfixed bugs admitted by Blizzard affecting PvP. I've offered solutions; buff rogue damage for PvE, fix bugs and make non-damaging AoEs not break stealth. Next time don't skip step 1) Read or 2) Think. These are integral to having an effective step 3) Post.

Actually I've been reading through the WOW forums all morning and this post was meant for them. I didn't read through this thread (because I don't know anything [or care] about PVP) and you weren't my target.

Ok, sorry I was so abrasive

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: CVSiN
rogues felt gimped for a while after all the nerfs

I would not know.

You are cheap shotted
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
You have been Kidney shotted
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
You have died.

haha you must be a tard dying like this.

The stunlock is a myth.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: CVSiN
rogues felt gimped for a while after all the nerfs

I would not know.

You are cheap shotted
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
You have been Kidney shotted
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
You have died.

haha you must be a tard dying like this.

The stunlock is a myth.

Iirc Shchadenfroh is a priest; one of two classes rogues actually have a chance against. What happens is rogues only attack mages and priests - we don't stand a chance against anyone else. Thus they get a very subjective and inaccurate viewpoint concerning rogue power.

What about the hunter aimed-shot critting for 3k or the mage pyroing for 4-5k? That's a 1shot for many people and a 2shot for may more. But hunters and mages are busy killing the other 7 classes, so priests and mages don't notice it as much as when rogues single them out, out of necessity.

 

[NeoV]

have some kleenex for your Rogue tears...


buff rogue damage in PVE? Um, not needed at all...

Rogues don't heed to buff other people to be useful....

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: NeoV
have some kleenex for your Rogue tears...


buff rogue damage in PVE? Um, not needed at all...

Rogues don't heed to buff other people to be useful....

Would you mind reading the thread before replying? Thanks!

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: NeoV
have some kleenex for your Rogue tears...


buff rogue damage in PVE? Um, not needed at all...

Rogues don't heed to buff other people to be useful....

English dude.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: CVSiN
rogues felt gimped for a while after all the nerfs

I would not know.

You are cheap shotted
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
You have been Kidney shotted
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
You have died.

haha you must be a tard dying like this.

The stunlock is a myth.

Iirc Shchadenfroh is a priest; one of two classes rogues actually have a chance against. What happens is rogues only attack mages and priests - we don't stand a chance against anyone else. Thus they get a very subjective and inaccurate viewpoint concerning rogue power.

What about the hunter aimed-shot critting for 3k or the mage pyroing for 4-5k? That's a 1shot for many people and a 2shot for may more. But hunters and mages are busy killing the other 7 classes, so priests and mages don't notice it as much as when rogues single them out, out of necessity.

Yeah softies certainly have a tougher time. The stunlock is still a myth.

CS is a pretty common opening move but if he followed with a kidney shot that means no eviscerate was used so he's just doing normal hits+SS (maybe a bs). The stun time on the KS would have been reduced so he's talking 6-8 seconds of stun. Unless he was injured ahead of time he's not going to die from this.

When the stun wears off he has a rogue with no combo points and no energy left standing in front of him. Facemelt FTW!!!
If he was injured ahead of time you can't use that as an argument for or against any particular class.

Stunlock=myth.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: CVSiN
rogues felt gimped for a while after all the nerfs

I would not know.

You are cheap shotted
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
You have been Kidney shotted
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while stunned"
You have died.

haha you must be a tard dying like this.

The stunlock is a myth.

Iirc Shchadenfroh is a priest; one of two classes rogues actually have a chance against. What happens is rogues only attack mages and priests - we don't stand a chance against anyone else. Thus they get a very subjective and inaccurate viewpoint concerning rogue power.

What about the hunter aimed-shot critting for 3k or the mage pyroing for 4-5k? That's a 1shot for many people and a 2shot for may more. But hunters and mages are busy killing the other 7 classes, so priests and mages don't notice it as much as when rogues single them out, out of necessity.

Yeah softies certainly have a tougher time. The stunlock is still a myth.

CS is a pretty common opening move but if he followed with a kidney shot that means no eviscerate was used so he's just doing normal hits+SS (maybe a bs). The stun time on the KS would have been reduced so he's talking 6-8 seconds of stun. Unless he was injured ahead of time he's not going to die from this.

When the stun wears off he has a rogue with no combo points and no energy left standing in front of him. Facemelt FTW!!!
If he was injured ahead of time you can't use that as an argument for or against any particular class.

Stunlock=myth.

Actually you can do a pretty good job of it if you include gouge (especially imp gouge, which allows you to restealth in PvP) in the mix. The problem is all your energy is going toward stuns and not damage, so it takes a while to kill people. In the battlegrounds, it's rare you'll have the time to stand around stunlocking someone to death (if you can find them alone in the first place, and they're not an orc) without someone else coming along. Like I said, rogues are ok in 1v1 PvP; the problem is that there is no 1v1 PvP.

 

[edtsui]

Even though its dated and changes have been made since its debut, the World of Roguecraft series was a huge eye opener. I can't think of a single class in the game that can go completely naked w/ a lvl 1 starting weapon and still kill another 60.

Your gripes basically consist of limited role in pve and group pvp which is basically wrong and how you could be replaced by another class for similar dps. Well, what class can't be replaced? I've seen a druid tank virtually every boss in the game save Nefarian and AQ40 encounters I haven't experienced. You can do Nefarian with no mages and skip the mage call altogether. Unlike warlocks and mages, Rogues have aggro dumping abilities granted its not like a Hunters.

Rogue DPS is amazing when played properly in PVE. I play with a rogue who consistently tops damage meters and can easily pull aggro even w/ Salvation on. Ragnaros, Vael, and pretty much all encounters in BWL have Rogues doing their share. In non-raiding/pvp encounters you basically have the ability to have zero downtime if followed by a healer.

As for PVP, there should be a good amount of things to break stealth. You're INVISIBLE and the only time the stealth breaking abilities are used is when you've made your presence known already. You also have the added ability to pick your fight 100% of the time, no one has a gun to your head saying you need to go in against that Ash'kandi warrior. The best 5v5 teams I've seen in arena fights nearly always have a Rogue.

It seems every class has a gripe about one thing or another which leads me to believe that Blizzard has done a fairly decent job of keeping things balanced. No class should have a guaranteed win against all classes. YES, there are broken abilities that affect your class, but every class has a bug or 20.

FLAME ON