YAWOWT: Competence and Maturity Polls

[Schadenfroh]

Generally speaking, if you have played both factions, what do you think?

 

[chowmein]

this is exactly why you get friends to do drugs too. b/c of 13 yr old leet dudes.

 

[abaez]

% wise for mature class its priest or warrior. The non-performing people who play those classes are quickly weeded out at the higher levels.

 

[ArmchairAthlete]

I don't think maturity has too much to do with class, and not that much more to do with server type. I don't do the RP realms though. Hmm, well maybe hunters and rogues tend to be played by idiots more often.

Get in a guild that doesn't let in retards and use the ignore button when needed =)

 

[torpid]

This is a biased poll. competent and mature are not the same thing. I know plenty of mature people who are incompetent and plenty of competent people who are immature.

 

[Argo]

I've been playing WoW for about a month now, and I have to admit I've had generally a pleasant experience. This has a lot to do with the Guild I'm in "Knights of Nef". I guess most people in the guild are either grown ups, or if they're younger they're pretty mature (yes, say what you want but there's is a correlation between maturity and one's age). So far I've only had two or three cases of running into imature, rude people. I just ignored that and went my way.

 

[Bateluer]

Its spelled 1337 d00d.

For the 9 days I played on the guest pass, on an RP server, I found that pretty much everyone I talked to was an idiot. You might as well ignore the general chat completely, and that was the only public chat that people used. Aside from the endless class debates, I saw people talking about their pets, how their parents made them do yardwork on a saturday(proof of childhood), how their G/Fs were upset that they spent all their time playing WoW, and last, but definitely not least, 1 case of an individual detailing a sexual fantasy. If this was the RP server, god, I don't want to play on a full PvP server, where it'd likely be even worse.

Since this thread was about the community, I won't go into the game's technical issues that STILL haven't been resolved from the open beta and early live weeks, or the 'features' that are listed in the manual that are just now getting implemented in the game.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: torpid
This is a biased poll. competent and mature are not the same thing. I know plenty of mature people who are incompetent and plenty of competent people who are immature.

I would be a little more broad and say this is a stupid poll.

 

[Concillian]

Alright, who voted for Pally and Rogue (to a lesser extent).

At least Hunters still don't have any votes.

IMHO it's a toss up between druid and shammy, I've met more whiney b!tch priests that don't know what they're doing than druids and shammies. I don't think I've ever met a 'bad' druid or shammy... Maybe I'm just lucky with them. I'd rather be lucky in finding warriors that are more capable.

All this is under the assumption that competance means in a group/instance setting where each class has a pretty well defined role.

I don't know how anyone could ahve played enough on all three rulesets to give an adequate answer to the first poll though.

 

[Concillian]

Originally posted by: abaez
% wise for mature class its priest or warrior. The non-performing people who play those classes are quickly weeded out at the higher levels.

But if you look at the percentage in the lower levels, probably 80% are clueless(more warriors than priests). And there are far higher numbers in the lower levels than in the higher levels.

 

[40Hands]

horde > alliance

 

[Litchfield285]

Originally posted by: Concillian
At least Hunters still don't have any votes.

I've noticed higher level Hunters are very mature... it takes a special person to stick with an extremely gimped class to the end... Which is why I voted Warlock. Every Warlock I've ever partied with has always been a very mature experienced player...

Now, yes, pre 40's 95% of Hunters are immature idiots... they are only there so they can tame teh l33t p3t5...

 

[Gurck]

My views taken from ~5 months (recently quit due to PvPatch 1.4) on a normal realm with characters of both factions, including a 60 shaman, with a lowbie character on a PvP realm and none on an RP realm - note that I also played EQ1 for years, and speak about what i know, ie. end-game content at the level cap. My views may not hold true for lower levels and such.

- The general playerbase is less mature than EQ1's before I quit that game, though it should be noted that due to game changes and customer treatment from Sony, the maturity level in EQ1 was going downhill fast.
- Competence and maturity don't necessarily go hand in hand, but there's a high correlation. Further, it's easier to forgive someone who says "Sorry, my fault" than someone who says "Lololo 2 wut b plz", or worse, blames others for their mistake - even if the mistake is the same in both situations.
- The horde tends to have more mature & competent players than the alliance
- As with other MMORPGs, there are far more mature & competent players on normal realms in comparison to PvP realms, can't speak for RP.
- As with other MMORPGs, the purest healing class tends to attract the most mature & competent players.
- Healing in WoW is highly tiered; shamans don't hold a candle to druids in healing, who in turn don't hold a candle to priests.

Try to view this in shades of gray rather than black & white; I've commented on general trends, and haven't claimed any to be hard & fast rules.

 

[torpid]

Hunters may be mature, but there are very, very few competent hunters. I consider myself competent but not good as a hunter. I don't set the bar high, yet other hunters never fail to disappoint me. All you have to do to be competent is know when to feign death, understand how traps work even if you don't use them, and not just switch to melee and swing away if an enemy comes after you in an instance (a prereq for this being knowing when to feign death).

 

[Litchfield285]

Originally posted by: torpid
Hunters may be mature, but there are very, very few competent hunters. I consider myself competent but not good as a hunter. I don't set the bar high, yet other hunters never fail to disappoint me. All you have to do to be competent is know when to feign death, understand how traps work even if you don't use them, and not just switch to melee and swing away if an enemy comes after you in an instance (a prereq for this being knowing when to feign death).

I agree... When grouping, its very easy to fall into the same tactics that we use while soloing... A Hunter soloing and a Hunter grouping is 2 completely different things, and many players never bother to learn how to do both well. It's sad, because we CAN be effective in groups, and once you make a name for yourself on a server youre welcome in any group... but it really takes more work than the other classes...

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: BroeBo
horde > alliance

I kind of agree. I have both aliance and horde chars and horde players are generally more helpful.

 

[Concillian]

Originally posted by: Litchfield285

Originally posted by: Concillian
At least Hunters still don't have any votes.

I've noticed higher level Hunters are very mature... it takes a special person to stick with an extremely gimped class to the end... Which is why I voted Warlock. Every Warlock I've ever partied with has always been a very mature experienced player...

Now, yes, pre 40's 95% of Hunters are immature idiots... they are only there so they can tame teh l33t p3t5...

It is exactly that proliferation of lower quality hunters that was the basis of my statement. I'm not saying there aren't any good hunters, I'm just saying that there are a lot that are, ummm.... not so great. At least in a group situation. The way the question is phrased, I can't see how anyone can vote for hunters.

I'll agree that Warlocks are up there too, I assume because it is such a technical class. It is incredibly difficult to play a warlock well. It's right up there with warriors on that front.

Rogues are so straightforward and definitely easy mode solo compared to other classes that they attract a reasonable percentage of immature/somewhat incompetant players, and pallys are like hunters I think, a LOT of low quality low level players and a few good and dedicated players who are high level. Plus the low quality ones who got to high level when Pallys could actually do reasonable damage.

 

[cKGunslinger]

As a Hunter, I can honestly say I almost always have reservations about grouping with another hunter, unles I know them from previous groups. A group with multiple hunters (or hunter + warlock) can work, and work well, but unless they are in synch and mature enough to handle directions and stick to a strategy, it is often a disaster.

 

[Litchfield285]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
As a Hunter, I can honestly say I almost always have reservations about grouping with another hunter, unles I know them from previous groups. A group with multiple hunters (or hunter + warlock) can work, and work well, but unless they are in synch and mature enough to handle directions and stick to a strategy, it is often a disaster.

Yeah I agree 100%. I hate being bossy, but whenever I group with a Hunter that doesn't know what they are doing I start telling them what they should be doing... and that isn't fun to me...

It was way worse when I started my Priest alt and would group with Hunters in the lower levels. It really is amazing the amount of bad Hunters there are out there. Frankly it pisses me off and I wish they would all reroll... it would make my WoW life a lot easier...

 

[Concillian]

Originally posted by: Litchfield285
It was way worse when I started my Priest alt and would group with Hunters in the lower levels. It really is amazing the amount of bad Hunters there are out there. Frankly it pisses me off and I wish they would all reroll... it would make my WoW life a lot easier...

Playing my priests through the early levels I was more saying that about warriors (horde) and paladins (alliance) than hunters. Life sucks for a priest when you have a group that doesn't know aggro from their nose, and the game is horrible about teaching the aggro system.

To make things worse on horde there are very few decent instancesbefore RFD. There is like maybe one pull in each instance that requires real aggro managment. Aside from that all the low level horde instances are zerg zerg.

Deadmines has some reasonably challenging boss pulls that are not just single pulls. So does Stockades. Horde side doesn't get a boss pull that isn't a joke until SFK.

 

[Velk]

Originally posted by: Litchfield285

Originally posted by: Concillian
At least Hunters still don't have any votes.

I've noticed higher level Hunters are very mature... it takes a special person to stick with an extremely gimped class to the end... Which is why I voted Warlock. Every Warlock I've ever partied with has always been a very mature experienced player...

You obviously play horde. I'd like to introduce you to Legolass, Leggolass, Legoolas, Lagolass and Leggolols the night elf hunters with cat pets.

I'd put hunters third last, pulling in ahead of paladins and rogues 8)

I'd also agree with the sentiment that competent != mature, the person who is arguably the best duellist on my server is very immature, probably about 11 or so. He is very, very competent though.