YATRT: Another day another 400,000 Toyota car recall - steering issues

[reallyscrued]

Camry may have cost more up front but no doubt domestics suck with resale.

Look up the MSRP's. They are very comparable at base models.

This trend is in the luxury brands as well.

http://www.kbb.com/used-cars/cadill...id=83506&equipment=1742547|true&mileage=30000

vs.

http://www.kbb.com/used-cars/lexus/...rt?condition=excellent&id=83968&mileage=30000

 

[reallyscrued]

Thanks Jeff, I expected no less from you. All of a sudden there's a whole lot of more "soul" in a Ford or Chevy? You're not driving a 3 series, sorry bud. But I have to hand it to you, by buying domestic, you're increasing competition and keeping my imports at lower prices! Keep doing what you're doing, I appreciate it. (Although if one day you see the light, I'll be pissed.)

 

[CupCak3]

"At least twice" is a stretch, but you're a moron. Resale value is one the biggest reasons to buy Toyota/Honda. Do some research.

http://www.kbb.com/used-cars/toyota...ort?condition=excellent&id=1663&mileage=50000

vs.

http://www.kbb.com/used-cars/ford/t...port?condition=excellent&id=600&mileage=50000

5 year old Camry vs Taurus, both base models with 50,000 miles.

Lets journey further back.

10 year old Camry vs Taurus.

http://www.kbb.com/used-cars/toyota...rt?condition=excellent&id=7052&mileage=100000

vs.

http://www.kbb.com/used-cars/ford/t...rt?condition=excellent&id=5898&mileage=100000


Someone correct me if I've messed up this comparison.

How is he a moron? His statement was correct... as you sucsessfully pointed out.

 

[KIAman]

I'm a patriotic man and want to believe domestics have one over the imports. I believe Ford is almost there but Chevy and Chrysler still has lots of catchup to do.

Don't think for one second that Toyota is suddenly in the shitter because of these recalls. They WILL spin this to point out they care about their customers. Overall quality of some of their cars has gone down over the years but it was on Toyota's reputation of quality that got them this far, they won't let that reputation go. Their new marketing will be "quality and care."

 

[Vette73]

"At least twice" is a stretch, but you're a moron. Resale value is one the biggest reasons to buy Toyota/Honda. Do some research.

http://www.kbb.com/used-cars/toyota...ort?condition=excellent&id=1663&mileage=50000

vs.

http://www.kbb.com/used-cars/ford/t...port?condition=excellent&id=600&mileage=50000

5 year old Camry vs Taurus, both base models with 50,000 miles.

Lets journey further back.

10 year old Camry vs Taurus.

http://www.kbb.com/used-cars/toyota...rt?condition=excellent&id=7052&mileage=100000

vs.

http://www.kbb.com/used-cars/ford/t...rt?condition=excellent&id=5898&mileage=100000


Someone correct me if I've messed up this comparison.

Yea you have, what was the average sale price new? Apple... Orange...

GM/Ford ran on low profit but making a lot of cars. Most asian makers made higher profits but made less cars. As such the average sell price ASP (not MSRP) was lowwer on the same US car then it was with Toyota/Honda. Hell I remember when Honda at some times had a higher sale price on average then the MSRP was. Of course a couple dealers and Honda got in trouble but thats another issue.

Toyota has now gone to high production and their quality has dropped like a rock for it and they are now offering money off, % deals, etc... things only seen from American car makers in the past.

My parents went to buy a Camaro and they wanted to save some money. So they found a couple 1 year old cars. Problem is the price of a new car with all the deals was lowwer then a 1 year old version. So they ended up with a new car for cheaper then the used one went for.

So thanks for proving my point that it is not even close to double. And also for showing how much a moran you are. :awe:

 

[reallyscrued]

Yea you have, what was the average sale price new? Apple... Orange...

GM/Ford ran on low profit but making a lot of cars. Most asian makers made higher profits but made less cars. As such the average sale price (not MSRP) was lowwer on the same US car then it was with Toyota/Honda. Hell I remember when Honda at some times had a higher sale price on average then the MSRP was. Of course a couple dealers and Honda got in trouble but thats another issue.

Toyota has now gone to high production and their quality has dropped like a rock for it and they are now offering money off, % deals, etc... things only seen from American car makers in the past.

My parents went to buy a Camaro and they wanted to save some money. So they found a couple 1 year old cars. Problem is the price of a new car with all the deals was lowwer then a 1 year old version. So they ended up with a new car for cheaper then the used one went for.

So thanks for proving my point that it is not even close to double. And also for showing how much a moran you are. :awe:

Average sale price? Is this a new term? I've googled and I found no mention of what you were saying. However, I've found a lot to back up my claim.

If you cannot find a Toyota or Honda at MSRP, then buy used, or order one and wait for it to come in and pay MSRP. It's not apples to oranges, the MSRP is similar and that's what you use to price vehicles. Taurus, Camry, Accord, Malibu; were all priced similarly MSRP for the past decade.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Thanks Jeff, I expected no less from you. All of a sudden there's a whole lot of more "soul" in a Ford or Chevy? You're not driving a 3 series, sorry bud. But I have to hand it to you, by buying domestic, you're increasing competition and keeping my imports at lower prices! Keep doing what you're doing, I appreciate it. (Although if one day you see the light, I'll be pissed.)

I currently own a 2006 Toyota Sienna. 1st week into owning it, It had to go back to the shop for new o2 sensors and for some reason they replaced the exhaust manifolds. Also had to get the seat belt adjuster for the driver side replaced because it was jammed. I've had the TPS system replaced in the thing twice, and the passanger side power sliding door motor has been replaced. Three weeks ago it was back in to get the lift gate struts replaced.
As far as the lift gate struts go, I don't understand how they could go bad after 4 years. The rear hatch struts on my trans am are factory original and that car is 24 years old.

Oh, and they won't warranty the paint on the roof of the vehicle, even though it is pealing off.
Don't fool yourself. Toyota makes their products just as cheaply, if not more so than anyone else. Hell, they don't even clear coat non-metallic paints.
I've owned Domestics and Imports and I don't buy just one brand or one nationality. I buy what fits my needs. I fell for the Toyota hype and now have a minivan than is worth shit. You can take your KBB and Edmunds values and praise them all you want, but all that matters is when you actually try to sell or trade in your vehicle. I'm pretty much stuck with my POS Toyota because no one will give me anywhere near KBB or Edmunds value for it.
My 06 Silverado has twice the miles on it and treated a lot worse, hasn't had anything done to it but fluid changes and tires. The only problem I've had with it is getting the Mercedes pulled out from underneath it.

I've had Nissan, Pontiac, Toyota, Honda, Suzuki, Chevy, Mitsubishi, Olds, Kia, and Dodge vehicles, and by far, the Toyota and Dodge have been to most troublesome vehicles I've ever had.
The Honda never gave me any problems but Accords are pretty boring vehicles. The Pontiacs are both Trans Am's and a hell of a lot of fun and reliable. The 02 Nissan SE-R Spec V gave me problems around 60-65K, but they covered it with a new ECU. The 91 240sx never had any problems until it was stolen.
I'm on Chevy truck #3 now and all have been dead reliable, just upgrade them when they get hammered from all the body damage.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I'm a patriotic man and want to believe domestics have one over the imports. I believe Ford is almost there but Chevy and Chrysler still has lots of catchup to do.

Don't think for one second that Toyota is suddenly in the shitter because of these recalls. They WILL spin this to point out they care about their customers. Overall quality of some of their cars has gone down over the years but it was on Toyota's reputation of quality that got them this far, they won't let that reputation go. Their new marketing will be "quality and care."

Dodge has lots of catch up to do. Chevy, not so much.
The only thing still in Chevy's stable to hurts them is the Cobalt. The rest of their line up is pretty solid. The only other thing that hurts them and makes it hard for them to make money is the unions that are bleeding them dry.

 

[Vette73]

Average sale price? Is this a new term? I've googled and I found no mention of what you were saying. However, I've found a lot to back up my claim.

If you cannot find a Toyota or Honda at MSRP, then buy used, or order one and wait for it to come in and pay MSRP. It's not apples to oranges, the MSRP is similar and that's what you use to price vehicles. Taurus, Camry, Accord, Malibu; were all priced similarly MSRP for the past decade.

And that is? Again you are comparing 2 cars that sell for different price and have differnet deals.

i.e. Car A and B have same MSRP but Car B has $2000off. 2 years later Car A has a resale of $15000 and Car B has a resale of $14000, which one has a better value?

Also some call it average net price and its sell not sale, I mistyped but if you were googleing it you should have caught that if not for being a Moran.

ASP
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/averagesellingprice.asp

 

[reallyscrued]

And that is? Again you are comparing 2 cars that sell for different price and have differnet deals.

i.e. Car A and B have same MSRP but Car B has $2000off. 2 years later Car A has a resale of $15000 and Car B has a resale of $14000, which one has a better value?

Also some call it average net price and its sell not sale, I mistyped but if you were googleing it you should have caught that if not for being a Moran.

ASP
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/averagesellingprice.asp

Thanks for the definition of the term. That helps a lot.

And even then, it doesn't get around what I said, just order it and pay MSRP. Supply and demand dictate that certain dealers can charge more for cars because they are hot, it's called business. Chevy and Ford would be doing it too if their cars didn't just sit on their lots all damn week. (Fiesta not withstanding.)

And I was googling with quotes around the term, excuse me being a 'moran' and not catching on...using the three words "average sale price" without quotes netted a whole lot of other not applicable hits.

@ Jeff,

Sorry to hear about your Sienna. Looks like you're not the only one with this problem (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Sienna/2006/index.shtml) although the O2 sensors were probably a fluke. In either case, neither Toyota or Honda make perfect cars, and I never claimed that, (Remember the 6th Gen Honda Accord autos?) but in the scope of things I feel like they fare far better than domestic counterparts. Everyone's going to have their $0.02 to throw into this fire but from my experience: All my friends who have owned domestic vehicles run into problems while all my other friends with Japanese cars run trouble free, and this perception (whether true or not) leads to higher resale value, especially where I live (East coast).

This has gone horribly off-topic so this is my last post on the matter. If anyone is willing to start another Domestic vs Import thread, I'll gladly tell you why your views are wrong over there.

Thanks for reading.

 

[StageLeft]

My parents went to buy a Camaro and they wanted to save some money. So they found a couple 1 year old cars. Problem is the price of a new car with all the deals was lowwer then a 1 year old version. So they ended up with a new car for cheaper then the used one went for.

To be fair that's the case with Toyota right now, too, or close because of their deals and you're right normally it's been domestics slashing MSRP all over the place, like a $50k vehicle for a song. Makes suckers think they are getting a great deal!

Oh, and they won't warranty the paint on the roof of the vehicle, even though it is pealing off.
Don't fool yourself. Toyota makes their products just as cheaply, if not more so than anyone else. Hell, they don't even clear coat non-metallic paints.
I've owned Domestics and Imports and I don't buy just one brand or one nationality. I buy what fits my needs. I fell for the Toyota hype and now have a minivan than is worth shit. You can take your KBB and Edmunds values and praise them all you want, but all that matters is when you actually try to sell or trade in your vehicle. I'm pretty much stuck with my POS Toyota because no one will give me anywhere near KBB or Edmunds value for it.
My 06 Silverado has twice the miles on it and treated a lot worse, hasn't had anything done to it but fluid changes and tires. The only problem I've had with it is getting the Mercedes pulled out from underneath it.

That sucks. I wonder what's what. FYI my next door neighbor has a 2 year old sienna and has minor rust starting. They are obviously pissed, Toyota won't do anything about it so they took it somewhere else they did a little touch up but let's be clear: once that sh*t starts you're done for. I don't think they leased it, so they can't throw it back to the dealer.

I am more likely than not getting rid of my Mazda MPV in the next few days because of rust, a notorious problem on these vehicles. I fvcking won't stand for it. But at least it was an older vehicle (still far too young for this, however). Would frustrate me more on a premier minivan of lesser age.

Btw, according to KBB for resale, best brand is Toyota (I thought it was Honda):
http://www.kbb.com/car-awards/best-resale-value-awards/best-car-brand

 

[Vette73]

To be fair that's the case with Toyota right now, too, or close because of their deals and you're right normally it's been domestics slashing MSRP all over the place, like a $50k vehicle for a song. Makes suckers think they are getting a great deal!That sucks. I wonder what's what. FYI my next door neighbor has a 2 year old sienna and has minor rust starting. They are obviously pissed, Toyota won't do anything about it so they took it somewhere else they did a little touch up but let's be clear: once that sh*t starts you're done for. I don't think they leased it, so they can't throw it back to the dealer.

I am more likely than not getting rid of my Mazda MPV in the next few days because of rust, a notorious problem on these vehicles. I fvcking won't stand for it. But at least it was an older vehicle (still far too young for this, however). Would frustrate me more on a premier minivan of lesser age.

Btw, according to KBB for resale, best brand is Toyota (I thought it was Honda):
http://www.kbb.com/car-awards/best-resale-value-awards/best-car-brand

Oh I agree. In the short run it will help their image but if they do it to long then it will hurt the fake "resale" numbers when people only compare MSRP to current used price.
GM and Ford have cut their deals down a little, but also cut the base price on some a while back to keep their numbers more in line. I think my parents got over 5k off their camaro and 0% interest, let alone talked the dealer down as well. Now thats not easy to get from GM/Ford. Most I see now are in the 1-2k range.