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jjones

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I was just watching EP 1 and the whole thing about Anakin's birth came up. His mother said she didn't know who the father was and intimated she didn't have sexual relations with anyone to conceive Anakin.

Also, the analysis of Anakin's blood showed that he had more midichlorians in his blood than even the most powerful Jedi, and later it is mentioned that the midichlorians may have created him.

The we get to EP 3 where Darth Sideous mentions this:

PALPATINE: (continuing) Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis "the wise"?
ANAKIN: No.
PALPATINE: I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life ... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.
ANAKIN: He could actually save people from death?
PALPATINE: The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be
unnatural.
ANAKIN: What happened to him?
PALPATINE: He became so powerful . . . the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. (smiles) Plagueis never saw it coming. It's ironic he could save others from death, but not himself.

Now Sideous always mentioned how everything is going according to his plan and how he foresaw events happening. His entire plan from the beginning was to create the Empire which he would rule. If Plagueis taught him to influence the midichlorians just as he himself could, then did Sideous do that to create Anakin, his future apprentice Darth Vader?

Just wondering what the Star Wars geeks thought about this as nothing is really made clear about Anakin's birth.

BTW, I realize there is the stickied thread but that is about the latest movie release for opinions and reviews; this deals with Anakin's birth, which was revealed in EP 1.
 
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Doggiedog

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Originally posted by: jjones
I was just watching EP 1 and the whole thing about Anakin's birth came up. His mother said she didn't know who the father was and intimated she didn't have sexual relations with anyone to conceive Anakin.

Also, the analysis of Anakin's blood showed that he had more midichlorians in his blood than even the most powerful Jedi, and later it is mentioned that the midichlorians may have created him.

The we get to EP 3 where Darth Sideous mentions this:

PALPATINE: (continuing) Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis "the wise"?
ANAKIN: No.
PALPATINE: I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life ... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.
ANAKIN: He could actually save people from death?
PALPATINE: The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be
unnatural.
ANAKIN: What happened to him?
PALPATINE: He became so powerful . . . the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. (smiles) Plagueis never saw it coming. It's ironic he could save others from death, but not himself.

Now Sideous always mentioned how everything is going according to his plan and how he foresaw events happening. His entire plan from the beginning was to create the Empire which he would rule. If Plagueis taught him to influence the midichlorians just as he himself could, then did Sideous do that to create Anakin, his future apprentice Darth Vader?

Just wondering what the Star Wars geeks thought about this as nothing is really made clear about Anakin's birth.

BTW, I realize there is the stickied thread but that is about the latest movie release for opinions and reviews; this deals with Anakin's birth, which was revealed in EP 1.
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Already discussed in the stickie up top.
 

Should be in the official thread. Anyway, he's not his father. Lucas did have that in one of the original drafts but dropped it (there's a chunk of the script online and the dialogue is just as you describe).

Anakin was born from the Force, to bring balance. If Palpatine created him it would make no sense.
 
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jjones

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Originally posted by: dwell
Should be in the official thread. Anyway, he's not his father. Lucas did have that in one of the original drafts but dropped it (there's a chunk of the script online and the dialogue is just as you describe).

Anakin was born from the Force, to bring balance. If Palpatine created him it would make no sense.
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Isn't that script I quoted above from the released EP 3? I copied it from the other thread but I could swear that I remember that conversation Palpatine had with Anakin.

It would kind of make sense in that Sideous is so egotistical that he would want to create his own apprentice. Someone incredibly powerful in the Force that he could control. That seems to be his entire plan with Anakin from the very first in EP 1 when he is shown to notice Anakin for the first time and says he will be watching his career.

The Chosen One was supposed to bring balance but Anakin is not that (maybe) as Obi Wan blurts out near the end of EP 3 that Anakin was supposed to be the Chosen One, thereby casting doubt as to whether he is indeed the one foreseen to bring balance. However, he does kill the Emperor at the end of EP 6, not Luke.

Edit: And then there is the whole question about what exactly "balance" means in this context. Is it a balance between good and evil? The light and the dark side of the Force? If so, then Anakin could in fact be that balance even though he went to the dark side.
 
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glen

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You couold easily argue that Anakin brought balance by strengthening the Dark side.
 

There's a copy of the script released in one of the official Star Wars books where Palpatine directly says he used the midichlorians to create Anankin. Anakin flips out and Palp says the standard, "Search your feelings and you know it to be true." I will try to find it.

I think it would have too cliche after the Luke/Leia/Vader thing.

Whole thread on it here:

http://boards.theforce.net/Revenge_of_the_Sith_/b10331/8393030/p1

Edit: Can't find the complete quote (saw a scan of it online) but here's what was cut:
from the making of ep 3 book page 42

"Darth Sidious : I used power of the force to will the midichlorions to start the cell division that created you"
 
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jjones

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Originally posted by: dwell
There's a copy of the script released in one of the official Star Wars books where Palpatine directly says he used the midichlorians to create Anankin. Anakin flips out and Palp says the standard, "Search your feelings and you know it to be true." I will try to find it.

I think it would have too cliche after the Luke/Leia/Vader thing.

Whole thread on it here:

http://boards.theforce.net/Revenge_of_the_Sith_/b10331/8393030/p1
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Ah, okay, that would have been a terrible scene if it was written that way. I think Lucas still seems to have toyed with the idea but didn't outright state it. It's better this way, IMO, and you can put your own interpretation to the origins of Anakin's birth. It also leaves room for Lucas to do a prequel of the prequels if he wants to, explaining how Anakin's birth came to be without having locked himself in already with a set explanation.

BTW, I saw EP 3 and then realized I had no idea what went on in EP's 1 and 2. The stories just didn't stick in my mind. EP's 4 - 6 had a fairly linear, straightforward story line that I could remember easily, but all I could remember of EP's 1 - 2 were the fx and action points, not really any of the story.

EP 1 was just on TV last night so this time I paid attention to the story, and EP 2 is on Sunday night. I'll watch that too and then go see EP 3 again. EP 1 wasn't bad except for the scenes with the Gungun and if you could just tune out Jar Jar. I watched it to fill myself in on the actual story, which was interesting.

Edit: And the Anakin character in EP 1 was much better than the Anakin in EP's 2 and 3. How did the rambunctious, inquisitive and generous kid that Anakin was turn into such a whiny, needy tool like he was portrayed in EP's 2 and 3? Lucas really f'ed up on that one.
 
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torpid

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They are referring to the Extended Universe storyline I believe. Which I wouldn't place much faith in as Lucas' actual intent.
 

Uh, the "extended universe". When the first book came out in the 90's I rushed out to read it. 100 pages in I realized it sucked and never touched anything outside of the Lucas cannon again (not that it's any better, just official).
 
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