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Yastt: DS9 > TNG

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brandonb said:
I liked DS9 better than TNG, even the first few seasons. There was something just a bit kooky about "balls of light" random entities entering TNG every few episodes which just ruined any immersion.

If you think DS9 > TNG after season 1, you will think DS9 >>> TNG after watching seasons 2 and 3.

And as another said, if you like DS9, you will probably like Babylon 5. Sort of similar to one another. Babylon 5 is more gritty (more realistic scenarios) rather than the happy go lucky Star Trek stuff. Quark is a good example, a bit flamboyant, has alot of personality. Makes the show have a certain charm, which is fun to watch. But is not a realistic character. Same with the Trill, etc etc etc. (I hate trill episodes!) Babylon 5 actually has a scene in it (that most shows/star treks did, which is a dig on star trek) where the captain asks the crew "This is going to be a suicide mission, if you want to back out now, do so now..." And they actually had a character walk out. Star Trek everybody is "Yep lets go! I won't let you down captin'." Babylon 5 is hard to watch until it gets going (as it tries to fill out some backstory) so you sit there the first half the season going "huh?" But is excellent throughout season 2-4... One of those shows "I can't wait to watch the next episode." Where you don't get that as much in the star trek series.
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Which episode was that? I'm trying to think of it and who walked out but I can't remember.
 
brandonb said:
I liked DS9 better than TNG, even the first few seasons. There was something just a bit kooky about "balls of light" random entities entering TNG every few episodes which just ruined any immersion.

If you think DS9 > TNG after season 1, you will think DS9 >>> TNG after watching seasons 2 and 3.
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I love TNG and DS9 but find both of the first seasons impossible to watch. In general, I find TNG more fun to watch from a single episode perspective if I have 30-40min to kill. However if I watch an episode of DS9 during the Dominion War, I do find myself watching a couple more.
 
DS9 --> TNG --> TOS --> Voyager --> > > > > > > > > > > > Enterprise, even though Enterprise wasn't that bad. It was just repetitive after a while.
 
brandonb said:
Babylon 5 actually has a scene in it (that most shows/star treks did, which is a dig on star trek) where the captain asks the crew "This is going to be a suicide mission, if you want to back out now, do so now..." And they actually had a character walk out.
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BSG has a scene like this too. And it wasn't just one guy who walked out, less than half of the people volunteered.
 
Analog said:
TOS > TNG > Enterprise > voyager >>>>>>>>>>>>DS9

DS9 is too much soap opera.
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Gee thats funny cuz I thought DS9 was more action-packed and less soap.
Of course, I still found it inferior to TNG.
And I started Voyager & stopped on season 3 cuz it was so damn stupid and annoying. I stuck out Enterprise cuz it was only 4 seasons total.
Finale sucked so bad it actually made me angry.
 
TNG is better than DS9 for two reasons:

1. DS9 would never exist without TNG. TNG worked out the growing pains of rebooting the series.
2. Q
 
Triumph said:
TNG is better than DS9 for two reasons:

1. DS9 would never exist without TNG. TNG worked out the growing pains of rebooting the series.
2. Q
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you like Q... ewww.... D:
Those are the most draggggg episodes EVAR... omg its so irritating. Both in TNG and Voyager I just HATE them and avoid those episodes...
 
Ichinisan said:
You, sir, are incorrect. :colbert:
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In TNG, he made the entire crew Robin Hood and his gang WTF...

In Voyager, there are several episodes, they would be taken to places, one at the end when the Captain finally gets him to reconcile with the GF WTF??? then one where his son has to learn a lesson and kill a crew member... all CRAP....

The concept of Q is crap
 
DesiPower said:
In TNG, he made the entire crew Robin Hood and his gang WTF...

In Voyager, there are several episodes, they would be taken to places, one at the end when the Captain finally gets him to reconcile with the GF WTF??? then one where his son has to learn a lesson and kill a crew member... all CRAP....

The concept of Q is crap
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He was supposed to be all-powerful and amused himself with humans because he was fascinated with the progress they had made. The Q believe humans will evolve to the same state at some point (over some inconceivable time scale).
 
DesiPower said:
you like Q... ewww.... D:
Those are the most draggggg episodes EVAR... omg its so irritating. Both in TNG and Voyager I just HATE them and avoid those episodes...
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I have no idea what they did with him on DS9. First season Q episodes can be given some allowance because well, it was the first season. But otherwise, John de Lancie is an excellent actor, and serves as an excellent counterpoint for Picard. Maybe that's what's missing from DS9, no Picard for Q to really banter with. And we all know Picard>that black guy on DS9>>>>>>>>>>>>Janeway
 
DS9 > TNG... Both great though. The rest are all trash... sad, since I love Scott Bakula.

Check out jammersreviews for episode by episode reviews. I pretty much agree with him all round.
 
I've recently begun watching ds9, I've already watched all other trek. It's enjoyable but there's a lot of boring ferengi eps. First few seasons were pretty slow.

<spoilers>
Did Deep Space Nine rip off Babylon 5?
Ultimately this will never be known. Straczynski himself, and many Babylon 5 fans believe that Deep Space Nine plagiarized several story elements from Babylon 5. While Deep Space Nine premiered shortly before B5, the latter had been in pre-production for years and the B5 television movie was finished before Deep Space Nine began filming.

Straczynski maintains that Paramount, the studio which produced Deep Space Nine was aware of Babylon 5 as early as 1989. He claims that when he was shopping B5 around to various studios he gave Paramount a series bible as well as plot breakdowns for the first season of the show and other background materials. He maintains that Paramount used these materials to help create Deep Space Nine. Straczynski says that he declined to sue in order to put the past behind them and allow both shows to go forward without the taint of a legal sturggle.

Several similarities have been noticed between the two although whether these are the result of active plagiarism on the part of Paramount/Deep Space Nine, or merely two shows tapping into a similar zeitgeist is unclear. Among the similarities are:

-Babylon 5 involves a space station beside an artificial hyperspace jumpgate. Deep Space Nine involves a space station beside a naturally occurring wormhole.
-Both shows had human captains who would end up becoming figures of religious significance to a local race. Benjamin Sisko would become the Bajoran Emissary while -Both shows involved humans working alongside a recent enemy race: the Minbari in Babylon 5 and the Klingon's in Deep Space Nine (although the friendly nature of the Klingons was established in Star Trek: The Next Generation).
-Both shows would introduce a small, powerful, first of its kind warship at similar points in their third season: The Defiant on Deep Space Nine and the White Star on Babylon 5.
-Both shows featured female seconds in command who were hot tempered: Kira Nerys on Deep Space Nine and Susan Ivanova on Babylon 5.
-Both shows featured doctors who had strained relations with their fathers and who were hiding secrets: Julian Bashir's genetic modification on Deep Space Nine and Stephen Franklin's involvement with the underground and his stim addiction on Babylon 5.
-Both shows involved combat against mysterious foes who seemed much more powerful than the protagonists: The Dominion on Deep Space Nine and the Shadows on Babylon 5. -In addition there are several names which appear in both shows such as Lyta/Leeta and Dukhat/Dukat
 
maniacalpha1-1 said:
Which episode was that? I'm trying to think of it and who walked out but I can't remember.
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It's been at least a year since I've watched Babylon 5. I can't remember the exact episode, and I believe it was just an extra, and nobody of importance. I do remember it was Sheridan asking, so I know it wasn't in season 1. But I know that doesn't narrow anything down. 🙂
 
I didn&#8217;t care that much for TNG, everyone just got along way too much. Everyone was so happy all the time that there wasn&#8217;t much tension, or interest. I also didn&#8217;t care for the lack of growth on that show. As a few writers I&#8217;ve known call it, &#8220;The Star Trek Syndrome&#8221; where no matter what you do when writing the story, you have to put them back exactly as you found them. Piccard gets converted by the Borg yet after being save still remains the captain of the Federation&#8217;s flagship? At the least he should have been pulled from that duty, not a rub some dirt in it and get back out there..

Oh.. and said it before, will say it again.. no Shatner no Star Trek 😛
 
Skel - they said too that the episode where Picard lived an entire lifetime in about 30 minutes was a similar sort of deal. As the episode was wrapping up, it occurred to some of the people on the production crew that this would be a damn big deal, like a life changing sort of thing.
*snap!*
Now you're living someone else's life for some reason.
Decades pass. You near your death from old age. Suddenly long-lost friends show up and you're told it was all a carefully-crafted hallucination.
*snap!*
You're back on your ship, everything's normal. Take 5, then get back to work. You do remember what Earl Grey tea is, right?
 
Fritzo said:
I can't stand the way he talks. He puts emphasis on the wrong words all the time and inserts strange pauses, and it keeps making me say "WTF DID HE SAY IT LIKE THAT???!!!"
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My brother recently did a DS9 marathon with his roommates and they gave Sisko a nickname - "Pop n' Wobble." Because when he gets angry or emotional his eyes pop out and he wobbles.

He's an overactor but it's still fun to watch. After all, it is just Star Trek, it's allowed to be over the top. Gul Dukat is the second largest ham on the show.
 
Jeff7 said:
Skel - they said too that the episode where Picard lived an entire lifetime in about 30 minutes was a similar sort of deal. As the episode was wrapping up, it occurred to some of the people on the production crew that this would be a damn big deal, like a life changing sort of thing.
*snap!*
Now you're living someone else's life for some reason.
Decades pass. You near your death from old age. Suddenly long-lost friends show up and you're told it was all a carefully-crafted hallucination.
*snap!*
You're back on your ship, everything's normal. Take 5, then get back to work. You do remember what Earl Grey tea is, right?
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There was an episode of DS9 where O'Brien was put into a virtual prison for committing some minor crime on another planet. They implanted memories of him being confined to a single dirty cell for 20 or 30 years, then wake him up after a few hours. He spends the rest of the episode having flashbacks while trying to cope with his return to normal life.

Oh and that episode with Picard was called The Inner Light and IMO it's the best episode of Star Trek ever, across all the different shows.
 
AstroManLuca said:
My brother recently did a DS9 marathon with his roommates and they gave Sisko a nickname - "Pop n' Wobble." Because when he gets angry or emotional his eyes pop out and he wobbles.

He's an overactor but it's still fun to watch. After all, it is just Star Trek, it's allowed to be over the top. Gul Dukat is the second largest ham on the show.
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Watch William Shatner interview him in the documentary, "The Captains." Avery Brooks answers Shatner's questions by...playing his piano. Sometimes he doesn't even speak. It's kinda creepy.
 
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