YASECT: body camera on cop records deadly confrontation

[MartyMcFly3]

I value your opinion on this. I really wish Jlee would pop his head in as well.

How do these threads make you feel? When people are armchair quarterbacking every move made by some cop just trying to do his job. Do they bother you or do I get worked up enough in your stead?

There are some threads that I agree the officer was in the wrong. Those usually have to be pretty blatant. The ones where people spend minutes/hours thinking what the officer should have done in the few seconds they had to make that decision kind of irritate me. But that's how life works. We armchair quarterback everything from policemen's decisions to coaching decisions in sports, to any other life event a person posts on here. Most of these threads end up being anti-cop, especially SE's threads, so I typically just stay out of it.

 

[rudeguy]

Did you miss the <sarcasm></sarcasm>? I was agreeing with Don Vito.

I was agreeing with you.

Can we get a sarcasm /sarcasm emoticon already?

 

[Gunslinger08]

I have mixed feelings on this.

I don't think that police should be trained to confront mentally ill people when nobody else is at danger. They need specially trained mental health professionals that they can call in to attempt to talk the guy down. Imagine if we sent in a SWAT team to every hostage situation immediately without having a specialized negotiator try to minimize potential damage. In these mental health cases, the maximum damage is only 1 life (the perp), but it's still a life worth trying to save.

Warning shots and/or aiming for limbs is just a bad idea. Even very experienced shooters (well beyond the required shooting in most police departments) can miss from close distances. Missing (or a warning shot) means that you haven't stopped your target and that you've potentially shot someone else behind your target - most of these incidents take place in residential areas and bullets don't stop when they hit drywall, windows, or vinyl siding. If you've reached a point where that level of force is justified, you should be aiming for the spot that gives you the greatest chance of ending the aggression that threatens your life.

I think the video and your interpretation says more about your personal feelings than the facts of the incident. If you are a rabid cop hater, you'll say that the perp wasn't lunging at the cop or threatening anyone. If you are a badge worshiper, you'll say that the cop had absolutely no other choice. As with most things, I feel that it falls somewhere in the middle.

 

[SandEagle]

Most of these threads end up being anti-cop, especially SE's threads, so I typically just stay out of it.

MMF3, let me first apologize on behalf of the immature people who turn my threads into "anti-cop" threads. that is never the intention. you can search every single thread and not find any anti-cop sentiments directly from me. the intention is to expose the corruption that seems to be happening all too frequently. Please do participate in these threads as we need real, good officers to provide their expert opinions and experiences on these topics. Thank you for your understandings.

 

[amddude]

Exactly.

Crazy suicidal guy with a knife.... you know there is no back door, no windows to use as an exit..... Let's not wait for backup, instead go inside and search the house.

I mean WTF did he expect? The suicidal crazy guy to just decide to put the knife down?


He wanted to be a hero... And this is what happened.

A hero? I doubt this guy is thrilled he shot some suicidal dude.

You only have the information that the first person you see decides to share with you. What if there was a kid, or a hostage, etc elsewhere in the house? If this guy had decided to go injure or kill someone else in there, everyone would be screaming 'why did the cops wait for him to do that' etc.

This is clear cut.

 

[amddude]

seems like a good time to use a taser

You're going to meet deadly force with non-deadly force? Let me know how that works out.

 

[Phoenix86]

I was agreeing with you.

Can we get a sarcasm /sarcasm emoticon already?

No.

Denied.

:beer; > :sarcasm;

 

[Phoenix86]

MMF3, let me first apologize on behalf of the immature people who turn my threads into "anti-cop" threads.

I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

I've never seen a pro police officer thread from you SE. As you said all your threads are about the bad/corruption of police officers. You never post one of the countless stories that are positive towards police officers so that makes you come off like you are anti-police. If I am wrong, please feel feee to provide a link of a positive story you posted.

Your threads usually convey "hey guys look what this bad officer did. Lets discuss." which of course will bring out the cop haters. You want to discuss policies/protocol of police officers, fine. You don't need to always show a bad cop article to do that.

 

[olds]

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Your threads usually convey "hey guys look what this bad officer did. Lets discuss." which of course will bring out the cop haters. You want to discuss policies/protocol of police officers, fine. You don't need to always show a bad cop article to do that.

Psssst... he's a troll.

 

[BladeVenom]

If you honestly care, show up at your next city hall meeting and recommend some changes

I agree. It appears the officer in this case followed standard approved procedures.

 

[IEC]

a warning shot into the floor may have scared the kid into dropping the knife. if not, fire at will. those 5 bullets could have easily hurt someone else too.

Warning shots are fucking retarded. Especially if you shoot into the floor. Almost a guaranteed ricochet/shrapnel situation.

There's a reason why I don't shoot AR500+ plate closer than 15 yds pistol, 100 yds rifle. Even 20-25 yds pistol sometimes I get fragments splashed back at me.

 

[IEC]

You're going to meet deadly force with non-deadly force? Let me know how that works out.

Taser is less lethal, not non-lethal.

Taser can and will kill people.

Though your point about stupidity of using one in that situation is still valid.

 

[JTsyo]

Pulling the gun out of the holster is your warning.

 

[rudeguy]

Pulling the gun out of the holster is your warning.

speaking from experience:

When a cop points his gun at you, its best to listen.

The guy in this case probably wasn't capable of rational thought. I still don't understand what the cop was supposed to do in this situation. He was called to deal with a mentally ill person with a knife. At that point no laws were broken. Cops enforce the law, yet this cop was sent to.....do what?

Mental health issues are real. People who have them tend to act out. Its common enough that it NEEDS to be addressed. Unless we are going to continue to ask our police to use deadly force to handle it?

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Probably police were sent to make sure the scene was safe for paramedics to come in and transport him for a psychological evaluation. That's what typically happens, at least near me. We are somewhat trained to deal with subjects with mental health issues but it's not foolproof and you can't use one solution for all people suffering from them.

 

[Phoenix86]

Cops enforce the law, yet this cop was sent to.....do what?

Prevent a law from being broken? It happens all the time.

Hey, this guy isn't breaking a law yet but he's acting in a suspicious or threatening manner, and he's armed. He could have been a threat to himself. Really depends on what was said in the call to the cops...

 

[JM Aggie08]

Don't listen to these plebs Marty. Keep fightin' the good fight.

 

[alkemyst]

The warning shot is the first one that pierces your flesh.

 

[veri745]

http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/11/18/62962.htm

The parents say in the complaint that Huntington Beach police knew of the post, and knew Matthew's address, but did not send a squad car to the home or warn the Clines.

That's a bit different from trying to talk down a suicidal person and failing.

 

[Nebor]

The officer gave him multiple chances to come out, then the suspect advanced on him, the officer retreated, gave more warnings, including the very direct "I will shoot you," and the guy kept coming. The officer had no more room to back up without placing the woman\child in danger.

I don't see how this is controversial at all. Advance on an officer with a knife and you're going to get perforated. In this case, that was likely his intent all along.

 

[grohl]

Thank God for people brave enough to want this kind of employment to save citizens from lunatics like that.

 

[shortylickens]

People whining about warning shots clearly know shit about police, guns, crime, or self-defense.