YASECT: body camera on cop records deadly confrontation

[SandEagle]

NSFW, maybe. video shows 1st person view of what went down. all cops should be required to wear these cams. why couldn't he fire a warning shot first? and why did they arrest the distraught girl?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnOBfCmled8
www.liveleak.com/view?i=9db_1389855116

i agree with the top comment though

I don't really blame the cop, I blame the entire policing system. The cop will have been trained to shoot in these situations and he will have been trained to shoot to kill, hence the multiple shots. He did his job.
Nevertheless, it's a totally disgusting way to police a country. I can guarantee that British cops would have ended this situation without a fatality and almost certainly without injury to either party.

 

[rudeguy]

warning shots are dangerous and illegal in my state.

 

[PowerYoga]

lolwarningshot. Also posting in another sandeagle anti-police topic.

 

[purbeast0]

warning shots are dangerous and illegal in my state.

but i saw them do that on Justified the other night on FX. are you telling me that tv shows and movies aren't 100% factual?

 

[Jimzz]

"why couldn't he fire a warning shot first"

Because guns are not to be used like that and firing a "warning" shot could cause it to hit someone else.

Guns are supposed to be pulled out when life is in danger, not to scare people.

 

[SandEagle]

lolwarningshot. Also posting in another sandeagle anti-police topic.

anti-police? shut your face boy. i provide a public service by calling out bad cops and bad tactics. my threads may save your life.

 

[SandEagle]

"why couldn't he fire a warning shot first"

Because guns are not to be used like that and firing a "warning" shot could cause it to hit someone else.

Guns are supposed to be pulled out when life is in danger, not to scare people.

a warning shot into the floor may have scared the kid into dropping the knife. if not, fire at will. those 5 bullets could have easily hurt someone else too.

 

[rudeguy]

but i saw them do that on Justified the other night on FX. are you telling me that tv shows and movies aren't 100% factual?

I know you are kidding but this is something that needs to be addressed as users here that have guns have posted about firing warning shots.

Warning shots are never a good plan. You have no idea where that bullet is going to end up and you break the number one rule of firearms: never shoot at something you don't want to kill.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Suicide by cop.


My problem is that they're trained to confront mentally ill people rather than deal with him properly.


He knew it was the only person in the house, no back doors, no windows he can escape from. Does it REALLY make sense to force yourself inside and confront the person without waiting for backup, social services, or someone trained to deal with the mentally ill? Instead they send them in like gangsters with guns.

Like you, I don't fault the cop. But their processes for dealing with these things makes it where you really should never call the police for any family situation.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

And, think of the possible collateral damage.

Is it really worth the lives of the other people in those apartments to put the guy down like a dangerous animal rather than wait for backup..?


One guy alone with a knife is only endangering himself. A gang member forcing his way inside then unloading rounds through thin walls is dangerous to everyone in the building.

 

[rudeguy]

Suicide by cop.


My problem is that they're trained to confront mentally ill people rather than deal with him properly.


He knew it was the only person in the house, no back doors, no windows he can escape from. Does it REALLY make sense to force yourself inside and confront the person without waiting for backup, social services, or someone trained to deal with the mentally ill? Instead they send them in like gangsters with guns.

Like you, I don't fault the cop. But their processes for dealing with these things makes it where you really should never call the police for any family situation.

My problem is cops responding to calls like this. Why in the hell are we sending law enforcement offices to deal with mentally ill people? This is a big enough issue that every single department should have specialized responders.

We just had this same situation in my town. A mentally ill person called 911 to say he had been left alone. When the police arrived, they shot him. Not their fault, they had to. But why would police go to check on him? What are they going to do?

http://www.woodtv.com/news/local/grand-rapids/man-shot-by-grand-rapids-police-officer

 

[qtnguyen87]

Dude asked for it

 

[olds]

Suicide by cop.


My problem is that they're trained to confront mentally ill people rather than deal with him properly.


He knew it was the only person in the house, no back doors, no windows he can escape from. Does it REALLY make sense to force yourself inside and confront the person without waiting for backup, social services, or someone trained to deal with the mentally ill? Instead they send them in like gangsters with guns.

Like you, I don't fault the cop. But their processes for dealing with these things makes it where you really should never call the police for any family situation.

Was just telling the wife that.

If the cop waited for back up to go in and the guy hurt himself, the family would be pissed that he didn't try to help.
He did go in and the guy advanced with a knife with the cop retreating. He couldn't let the guy with the knife outside where he could endanger other people.
In this circumstance, good shoot. But the cops should be trained to make other circumstances.

 

[dabuddha]

Looks fine to me. The big guy was walking towards him with a knife and was ignoring his repeated request to put the knife down.

 

[dabuddha]

a warning shot into the floor may have scared the kid into dropping the knife. if not, fire at will.

That's retarded. If the bullet ricocheted off the ground and hit someone else, there would be another thread by you whining about that.

 

[SunnyD]

anti-police? shut your face boy. i provide a public service by calling out bad cops and bad tactics. my threads may prematurely end your life.

ftfy

 

[dabuddha]

My problem is cops responding to calls like this. Why in the hell are we sending law enforcement offices to deal with mentally ill people? This is a big enough issue that every single department should have specialized responders.

We just had this same situation in my town. A mentally ill person called 911 to say he had been left alone. When the police arrived, they shot him. Not their fault, they had to. But why would police go to check on him? What are they going to do?

http://www.woodtv.com/news/local/grand-rapids/man-shot-by-grand-rapids-police-officer

Somewhat disagree. I do feel that a cop needs to go along (if anything, to protect whoever they send). The question is, who else could they send that is available 24/7

 

[SandEagle]

That's retarded. If the bullet ricocheted off the ground and hit someone else, there would be another thread by you whining about that.

not worried about ricochet from the other 5 shots from the cop?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Was just telling the wife that.

If the cop waited for back up to go in and the guy hurt himself, the family would be pissed that he didn't try to help.
He did go in and the guy advanced with a knife with the cop retreating. He couldn't let the guy with the knife outside where he could endanger other people.
In this circumstance, good shoot. But the cops should be trained to make other circumstances.

I agree, but playing devil's advocate... I'm guessing the backlash from the family over the guy hurting himself is less than the backlash from a cop entering their home and shooting him dead.


The most difficult part of dealing with these things is that cops in our country are specifically chosen and trained to never make a decision with their brain. They are trained to think to their standard operating procedures and do what they've been taught.


The problem is, these SOPs revolve around protecting the department and the officer, not the public. So when you get the police involved know that they will do what protects themselves from litigation, not what's best for you and your family.

 

[dabuddha]

not worried about ricochet from the other 5 shots from the cop?

No since they were entering the guy's chest.

 

[SandEagle]

No since they were entering the guy's chest.

is the guy wearing armor? bullets can go through you and still ricochet. what if he missed?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

No since they were entering the guy's chest.

So... You're ok standing behind someone while a LEO blasts 5 rounds of .40 into them... Just hoping every bullet hits bone or thick tissue..??


Very easy for either the cop to miss or for a round to go through the perp. And 3/8" sheetrock is not going to stop a bullet.

 

[dabuddha]

So... You're ok standing behind someone while a LEO blasts 5 rounds of .40 into them... Just hoping every bullet hits bone or thick tissue..??


Very easy for either the cop to miss or for a round to go through the perp. And 3/8" sheetrock is not going to stop a bullet.

My comment is countering SandEagle's brilliant suggestion to fire a warning shot into the ground. Of course what you're saying can happen as well but bottom line, the guy was advancing on the cop with a knife and was refusing orders to put the knife down. The cop did the right thing.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

My comment is countering SandEagle's brilliant suggestion to fire a warning shot into the ground. Of course what you're saying can happen as well but bottom line, the guy was advancing on the cop with a knife and was refusing orders to put the knife down. The cop did the right thing.

Per SOP, sure, the cop did the right thing. He did was he was trained to do... Which is unload his magazine the moment he sees anything which he perceives to threaten his live. Knife, garden hose sprayer, anything which causes him to fear = kill the person. I get that.

The issue here is that this situation should not have to end in the perp getting shot. I know, SOP is that he enters the home and kills anyone with a weapon (even though he was called out there to handle a guy threatening to kill himself with a knife...)

Just because that's SOP doesn't mean it makes sense. In this case, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Is there any reason to believe this guy was mentally ill, other than his actions? The articles I am seeing about this don't indicate that. What I see is an unfortunate situation but I don't fault the officer.