YASECT: Ariz. cop involved in seventh shooting

[SpatiallyAware]

so the cop executed the guy.

and so what if weapons were "found" in the house big fucking deal the man was not armed.

If weapons are found in the house it lets them twist the story even further in their benefit.

 

[IcePickFreak]

If weapons are found in the house it lets them twist the story even further in their benefit.

The guy already pointed the weapon at, at least two different neighbors, while holding his grandson no less. Then the article doesn't clarify which cop thought they spotted a pistol on him when they confronted him, there were three cops on the scene.

I'm all against burning dirty cops at the stake, but if the cops show up for a domestic violence call where you were pointing a gun at people, you probably shouldn't answer the door with your grandson in hand and fidgeting the other hand if you don't want to get shot.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

The guy already pointed the weapon at, at least two different neighbors, while holding his grandson no less. Then the article doesn't clarify which cop thought they spotted a pistol on him when they confronted him, there were three cops on the scene.

I'm all against burning dirty cops at the stake, but if the cops show up for a domestic violence call where you were pointing a gun at people, you probably shouldn't answer the door with your grandson in hand and fidgeting the other hand if you don't want to get shot.

LEO have certain responsibilities above and beyond a normal citizen. One is (or should be) that they DO NOT shoot unless they see a gun/weapon/etc.

It's not the cops job to show up and delve out justice.

 

[MotionMan]

The guy already pointed the weapon at, at least two different neighbors, while holding his grandson no less. Then the article doesn't clarify which cop thought they spotted a pistol on him when they confronted him, there were three cops on the scene.

I'm all against burning dirty cops at the stake, but if the cops show up for a domestic violence call where you were pointing a gun at people, you probably shouldn't answer the door with your grandson in hand and fidgeting the other hand if you don't want to get shot.

LEO have certain responsibilities above and beyond a normal citizen. One is (or should be) that they DO NOT shoot unless they see a gun/weapon/etc.

It's not the cops job to show up and delve out justice.

Is the bolded part above correct?

MotionMan

 

[IcePickFreak]

Is the bolded part above correct?

MotionMan

From the article...

Tuesday night, Peters was among three officers who responded to the home of James Loxas, who neighbors had reported was pointing a gun at them, and tossing trash, while holding his 2-year-old grandson.

The TV station said one officer said he spotted what was believed to be a weapon, and Peters shot and killed Loxas while the 50-year-old man was holding the toddler, who was not injured.

 

[Imp]

If we put a limit on cop shootings, we'd no longer have any Cobras or Jack Slaters. Fool.

 

[crownjules]

Came into this thread expecting stuff about the Securities Exchange Commission.

 

[MotionMan]

From the article...

So the cops thought they saw a weapon after it was reported he had been pointing a weapon.

Can we all agree that is at least their story?

MotionMan

 

[SpatiallyAware]

So the cops thought they saw a weapon after it was reported he had been pointing a weapon.

Can we all agree that is at least their story?

MotionMan

I'm curious what else you think that they would say?


Do you believe it is even within the realm of possibility that they would admit they did not see a gun and shot anyway? I don't believe this has EVER happened (LEO admit in a report that he didn't see a gun or whatever). To me this calls many things into question when dealing with a LEO assassinating a citizen.








This crap is always so twisted, between LEO accounts/reports and what the media does it's very very rare for us to get a factual idea of what happened anytime a LEO's behavior is called into question. As a lawyer, you should know this better than most.


In these situations police reports are written to favor the officers first and protect the citizens last. Hopefully you're never in a situation where a LEO feels like he has to "protect himself" via a police report written about you.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Seems that he likes killing people...

 

[IcePickFreak]

I'm curious what else you think that they would say?


Do you believe it is even within the realm of possibility that they would admit they did not see a gun and shot anyway? I don't believe this has EVER happened (LEO admit in a report that he didn't see a gun or whatever). To me this calls many things into question when dealing with a LEO assassinating a citizen.

This crap is always so twisted, between LEO accounts/reports and what the media does it's very very rare for us to get a factual idea of what happened anytime a LEO's behavior is called into question. As a lawyer, you should know this better than most.

In these situations police reports are written to favor the officers first and protect the citizens last. Hopefully you're never in a situation where a LEO feels like he has to "protect himself" via a police report written about you.

So you're of the belief that serial killers somewhat often join the police force so they can shoot random people dead for no good reason?

I guess the at least two different neighbors were all in this evil plot as well and they didn't really see a weapon pointed at them either.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

So you're of the belief that serial killers somewhat often join the police force so they can shoot random people dead for no good reason?

I guess the at least two different neighbors were all in this evil plot as well and they didn't really see a weapon pointed at them either.

Serial killers becoming a LEO just to shoot people? No, I don't believe that; nor is that what I said. Good job on that stretch though!



However, I do think people with power/control issues are extremely attracted to being a LEO.


My statements have less to do with this specific situation and more to do with the whole aspect of it being ok for a LEO to accidentally assassinate someone and then claim they saw a gun. This isn't an ok excuse for an untrained civilian, and it should be an even less viable excuse for a trained LEO who has decided to put his life on the line to supposedly help protect society.



A LEO shouldn't approach someone with force just because neighbors called in with some accusation - period. He should not be more likely to shoot someone based on a 911 call - period. I realize it doesn't work this way in our society, I'm simply saying that is wrong.

 

[HumblePie]

Just for reference, the cop was NOT cleared for all his previous shootings. The city had to settle out of court for one shooting he did that resulted in a fatality. It was what demoted him from SWAT to regular police.

I read this article a few days ago after hearing it on the radio. I didn't make a post about it because I was waiting to see who would

Cops shooting bad guys I have no problem with. The guy shot was basically attempting suicide by cop and it was pretty obvious from the guys history. I do think the cop in this story is a bit too trigger happy though.

 

[JTsyo]

Apparently the guy HOLDING THE BABY? 15 yards with a scoped rifle is not exactly a difficult shot, btw.

Oh, and:

http://www.policeone.com/investigat...-cop-who-shot-man-holding-child-investigated/

a scope-equipped rifle

If the cop is a marksman, shouldn't be surprising that he shoots more than average cops. He would be called in for dangerous situations. I don't know about his past history or if he's part of a SWAT team.

 

[Matthiasa]

Apparently the guy HOLDING THE BABY? 15 yards with a scoped rifle is not exactly a difficult shot, btw.

Oh, and:

http://www.policeone.com/investigat...-cop-who-shot-man-holding-child-investigated/

15 yards without a scope isn't exactly a difficult shot either.