Red Dawn
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Well I'm an American Citizen so all I care about is what is good for us. But if I were an Israeli citizen I'd insist on my government telling the US to mind it's own business and take it's money and put it were it's not kosker and kick the living hell out of the Palestineans
hello zionists a high degree of understanding shown by all, tech techncians have no understanding of politoc clearly, bing an idiot got an ma hons in arabic so at least i know the circumstances of what i am talking about. im sure most of you were surprised by 9/11 taking place as well.
suicide bombers on operations should avoid civilians, thats why i said they shouldnt kill minors if possible, adult israelies support the occupation and are therefor participants so they arent purely civilians, at the end of the day 78/22 is not a bad offer but they want even more!!!!!!!!!!!! thats why this is going on
And if Americans don't want buildings to collapse on them , they should listen to Osama and remove all military personell for the Middle east.
Exactly. The world should bend over to terrorist demands, plus we should also make sure to spread our cheeks wide. It worked for dealing with Hitler.
(Please note sarcasm.)
Amused
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Suicide Bomber Strikes Mall in Israel
Three Killed Including Bomber
By JAMIE TARABAY
The Associated Press
PETACH TIKVAH, Israel (May 27) - A suicide bomber blew himself up at an ice cream parlor in an outdoor mall near Tel Aviv on Monday, also killing two others including a 2-year-old girl whose bloodstained stroller lay on its side after the blast amid a tangle of white plastic chairs. About 20 were wounded.
Three Killed Including Bomber
By JAMIE TARABAY
The Associated Press
PETACH TIKVAH, Israel (May 27) - A suicide bomber blew himself up at an ice cream parlor in an outdoor mall near Tel Aviv on Monday, also killing two others including a 2-year-old girl whose bloodstained stroller lay on its side after the blast amid a tangle of white plastic chairs. About 20 were wounded.
well kids get killed when gun ships rake the refugee camps as well, well just add it to the tally of <500 israelies for >1500 palestinians, they have been offered a real peace they wanted more, and suicide attack is thepalestinians only way of getting at them, and arafat relies on the support of these org for his survival so he can do that much or hell lose all his meagre legitimacy, prehaps if israel hadnt killed abu jihad in 87 then anther fatah founder would be around to hold back the militants.
in terms of alqaida their only real gripe is your presence in the holy land, which is totally unacceptable to staunch islam, you are only their for regime spport purposes, and hussein intimidation, and the only reason you do that is you dont want an oil shortage or even worse opec to increase the price to 30usd plus per barrell, thats why you also did that coup againt chavez in april, my put the oil price up.
ill say it again saudi is one of the worst regimes going but no bothers to talk about that, and egypt isnt far behind, iran and lybia are for better to their own ppl.
in terms of alqaida their only real gripe is your presence in the holy land, which is totally unacceptable to staunch islam, you are only their for regime spport purposes, and hussein intimidation, and the only reason you do that is you dont want an oil shortage or even worse opec to increase the price to 30usd plus per barrell, thats why you also did that coup againt chavez in april, my put the oil price up.
ill say it again saudi is one of the worst regimes going but no bothers to talk about that, and egypt isnt far behind, iran and lybia are for better to their own ppl.
its a good job that america has the ivy league to buffer the policy interests that you lot have expressed from americas real world interests, you seem to forget that its unlikely to be long before places like syria, lybia, iraq with or without hussein, iran and otehrs get nukes. israel cant kick the palestinians around, after heaing what you lot have said i now understand how what happened to the american indians happened.
i must say i was surprised that bush mounted the war on terrorism rhetoric when it started but i understnad why he did now a lot better
Hayabusa Rider
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Forget fairness. Life can be good, but seldom fair.
Pragmatism in foreign affairs 101:
Rules of Power.
Rule 1:
If you are stronger than anyone else you can do anything you want. You can justify you actions later if you feel the need.
It does not matter if you are right or wrong. If the dominant world power is attacking terrorists in a justified cause, or for sake of argument, wanted to seize some third world country's oil supply it could. Power, like death is morally agnostic. WHY you see restraint is more a matter of psychology/ethics than actual inability to act.
Rule 2:
If you are stronger than your immediate aggressor, but not THE world power-
You can do what you want PROVIDED
a: You do not antagonize a superior power in the process.
(This is because you might lose needed support in the case of a benign superior force, or incurr the wrath of one less than friendly)
AND
b: You are stronger than any conceivable alliance that could be formed to attack in retaliation for a given action.
Here I submit the prizefight analogy might be the wrong one. Try this instead. Imagine you are black and find yourself stranded in a bar frequented by KKK types. How you got there is a long story, but here you are. Now you are minding your own business, and some little white guy comes over with an attitude. He has had some problems with black people before, real or imagined. Doesnt matter which right now, because he is coming at you. You try to ignore him but when you do, he sticks you with a dinner knife. You are not seriously hurt, but pissed and decide to take him out. No problem. But wait! This is not the professional ring is it? You are an a bad, bad place and he has friends. Big friends and lots of them. What do you do? Negotiate. If you can keep him talking, he wont attack. So you talk, and talk, and talk.
This is where we have been for a while now. Unfortunately tensions are getting out of hand, and people are tired of getting poked with that knife. But still, this is happening in a bad bad place. How this fight turns out is beyond me, but I cant see it having a happy ending.
Edit "i" before "e" except after "c"
Pragmatism in foreign affairs 101:
Rules of Power.
Rule 1:
If you are stronger than anyone else you can do anything you want. You can justify you actions later if you feel the need.
It does not matter if you are right or wrong. If the dominant world power is attacking terrorists in a justified cause, or for sake of argument, wanted to seize some third world country's oil supply it could. Power, like death is morally agnostic. WHY you see restraint is more a matter of psychology/ethics than actual inability to act.
Rule 2:
If you are stronger than your immediate aggressor, but not THE world power-
You can do what you want PROVIDED
a: You do not antagonize a superior power in the process.
(This is because you might lose needed support in the case of a benign superior force, or incurr the wrath of one less than friendly)
AND
b: You are stronger than any conceivable alliance that could be formed to attack in retaliation for a given action.
Here I submit the prizefight analogy might be the wrong one. Try this instead. Imagine you are black and find yourself stranded in a bar frequented by KKK types. How you got there is a long story, but here you are. Now you are minding your own business, and some little white guy comes over with an attitude. He has had some problems with black people before, real or imagined. Doesnt matter which right now, because he is coming at you. You try to ignore him but when you do, he sticks you with a dinner knife. You are not seriously hurt, but pissed and decide to take him out. No problem. But wait! This is not the professional ring is it? You are an a bad, bad place and he has friends. Big friends and lots of them. What do you do? Negotiate. If you can keep him talking, he wont attack. So you talk, and talk, and talk.
This is where we have been for a while now. Unfortunately tensions are getting out of hand, and people are tired of getting poked with that knife. But still, this is happening in a bad bad place. How this fight turns out is beyond me, but I cant see it having a happy ending.
Edit "i" before "e" except after "c"
shiner
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And you've obviously spent too much time being brainwashed. That or your bong has been on very active duty lately. Sorry but I can't take anyone seriously that thinks it's ok for someone to strap TnT to their chest and walk into a mall, pizza shop, etc... and blow up innocent civilians. Tell the Cheshire Cat I said hello when you see him
Hayabusarider: (quotes book on how to deal with injuns)......
all im saying is if you beat people around and they are scared thats ok, if you beat them around and they lose their fear eg bin laden and bombers they youve pretty much lost your strategy.
all im saying is if you beat people around and they are scared thats ok, if you beat them around and they lose their fear eg bin laden and bombers they youve pretty much lost your strategy.
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