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I READ IT IN THE BIBLE IT HAS TO BE TRUE
I READ IT ON THE INTERNET IT HAS TO BE TRUE
I READ IT IN THE BIBLE IT HAS TO BE TRUE
I READ IT ON THE INTERNET IT HAS TO BE TRUE
That's like saying "I would rather cut my balls off and kill myself so I can catch the spaceship behind the Hale_Bop comet and be wrong than.."
Originally posted by: jjzelinski
That was their choice, not mine. Someone stated above that there is a problem with my line of reasoning, such as "what if you worship the wrong one." Well, then I'll go to hell anyway. You take a chance, and I'd rather have some sort of chance at being right than just throwing it all out the window.
However, I don't expect the elitist nerds on these boards to fully understand faith. You either have it, or you don't.
It's hard to not sound like we're criticizing eachother, but it's hard to disagree with someone and have the disagreement ackowldged in a civil manner when it comes to matters of faith. Faith is a belief without knowledge, it's indescribable because it exists independantly from earthly reason. A connection to a higher power transcendant of the bonds of flesh and the fruit of knowledge. To some, that's what makes it so real and valuable, to others it simply confirms it's irrationality.
I refuse to make a rock solid conclusion either way, and many would criticize that as being wishy washy and not "taking sides" or not "taking a stand." I just can't, "in good faith", draw a rational conclusion about something that is inhereantly irrational to begin with. Unfortunately, just saying that tends to piss people off like it's some kind of personal attack on their belief system when in fact has nothing to do with *their* belief system.
I refuse to make a rock solid conclusion either way, and many would criticize that as being wishy washy and not "taking sides" or not "taking a stand." I just can't, "in good faith", draw a rational conclusion about something that is inhereantly irrational to begin with. Unfortunately, just saying that tends to piss people off like it's some kind of personal attack on their belief system when in fact has nothing to do with *their* belief system.
By no means am I saying you have attacked me personally. However, many on this bored do. I repect others for their choices, and I disagree with many of them. Others cannot leave the choice alone and instead push their agenda on others.
rhino56
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i have always questioned everything, like any child. i have found no answers to this question from the world. spiritually i have found my answers, but it took 38 years to be able to find them.
i cant convince anyone that God is real and exists, its not my place to.
i can tell you that i am not led by something i read nor do i just believe something because some other person told me it was so.
i have seen the work of his hand and heard his words. there is no doubt to me that God is real.
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if that is the case, i am passing some gas hoping my 'real body' is doing the same.
As to religion threads, they always end up as flame wars with two people too far on their respective sides. An intelligent discussion might be interesting, but rarely will such be generated on the topic of religion
Those who think God created people so that he can have someone to worship him or that worshipping him is what gets you in to heaven -or even think that simply getting to heaven is the only goal of Christianity- all have a seriously twisted, fvcked up view of the Bible's teachings.
To those who say things like "Those who believe in God are blind to the truth" need to fully define "truth" and provide proof for this rebutle. You don't believe someone that says "God is real" because you don't see any proof to believe it. Don't be as foolish as you think those people are simply by doing the same thing: saying "no he doesn't" and expecting everyone to somehow automagically believe you. If you expect others to believe you for saying he doesn't exist, why don't you believe the other side when they say He does exist but provide no proof?
To those who say things like "Those who believe in God are blind to the truth" need to fully define "truth" and provide proof for this rebutle. You don't believe someone that says "God is real" because you don't see any proof to believe it. Don't be as foolish as you think those people are simply by doing the same thing: saying "no he doesn't" and expecting everyone to somehow automagically believe you. If you expect others to believe you for saying he doesn't exist, why don't you believe the other side when they say He does exist but provide no proof?
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i dont think that anyone really said that in this thread but yeah there is more to being a Christian then just going to heaven.
say you got joe malone over there, he is a decent guy, he doesnt steal, but he doesnt go to church and has very wordly values, like maybe he wants to try out his g/f in bed before he marries her, this is pretty common really.
then you got a guy who is totally devoted to God and really upholds the values of Christ in his own home. he likes to be thankful for everything he has.
which one would you want your daughter to date?
there is way more to being a Christian than just getting on your knees and worshiping God.
if we do that its for us, we dont pray because God needs to hear us or we are doing him some favor by thanking him.
we pray because we need it, we are that joe malone who needs to look to God when he is feeling frustrated by all the lack of faith around him. we need him so we dont let our values become compromised little by little, just as evil builds upon itself, little by little, each act more daring than the last.
Christians tend to stay secluded like they will get germs from ordinary non believing folks, even though Jesus said be like him, follow him, do like he does.
i would have become a Christian much sooner had i ever met one. but thats the real problem, ive met many.
peace comes from being thankful for what we DO have, frustration is bred in looking at all we dont have.
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Explain it to me then, or point me to the right bible verse that says he didn't create us just to have people under his control. Why else would he create us? We have no purpose here. One day the universe will run out of energy (heat death), and everything we've ever created will be gone. Now, unless there are alternate universes, all that we have done will have been for nothing.
So anyone who doesn't share your belief is an elitist nerd? Hrm... I guess that beats "idiots", which Vic has in the past deemed all atheists to be
Still pretty shortsighted though.Anyway, what's so funny about Pascal's wager is that two major points of religion are to advance us as a species and provide us with happiness and meaning on an individual basis. By living in fear you're not doing your part on the first and completely negating the second.
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