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YART: My beliefs... *** WALLEYE'S OFFICIAL BELIEF THREAD!!! ***

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Regarding the devil:

Lucifer was the Anointed Cherub. Anointed means to be set apart for Gods Divine purpose. It also means "bestowal of Gods divine favor", and "appointment to a special place or function."
God had given Satan a certain amount of power and authority. But he perverted that power. Lucifer wanted to exalt himself above God... rather than "just" being the Angel of God.

Lucifer was created perfect in all his ways, but iniquity was found in him. It was not put there by God. Lucifer created it.
( this is found in Ezekiel 28:15 )

Like man, the angels were created perfect, and with a free will.

Satan was lifted up because of his beauty, he corrupted the wisdom by reason of his brightness (This is in Ezekiel 28:17)

Satan was cast out of heaven after Adam and Eve were created, because God said the Creation was still "very good" on day 6 after man had been created. Satan wanted to be God. The Bible tells us in 2nd Corinthians 4:4 that Satan has become the "god of this world". And Revelation 20:10 tells us that he will be eternally punished for it. Lucifer became Satan, and the fallen angels (may have) became Demons.

Because sin had entered the world, and into the very nature of man through Adams transgression, then for God to destroy Satan, he would also have had to destroy the man he loved. But God had a better way. A way of Redemption.

The Book of "Ezekiel" tells us what Lucifer really looked like before he sinned.

Lucifer was a being "of perfect beauty". He was covered in every precious stone. He had pendants and jewels of gold...

Lucifer was beautiful before he sinned. An expression of Gods own beauty and power. But like man, Lucifer?s very nature changed when he sinned. His (Lucifer?s) physical appearance may have as well.


I doubt many will read this, but it's what the Bible had to say about the Devil.
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ah, damn, i forgot that the bible calls the devil lucifer, and beelzebub was someone else. forgot. damn my memory. damn it to hell. oops, damn, never mind 😛

I like the idea of the existence of opposing factions, one presiding over heaven, the other over hell.... but i havent developed that part of my religous thought yet. im still working with it.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
I edited my post for inaccuracies so the quote is a bit off.
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eh, doesnt matter. not central to my thought... 😛

but thanks for saying that. i'll have to check this. 🙂
 
Definitely, you should always check things out for yourself.

Here are some verses you may want to read regarding the Devil:

Ezekiel 28:13-18

Isaiah 14:12-15

2 Peter 2:4

Jude 1:6

2 Corinthians 4:4

 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Definitely, you should always check things out for yourself.

Here are some verses you may want to read regarding the Devil:

Ezekiel 28:13-18

Isaiah 14:12-15

2 Peter 2:4

Jude 1:6

2 Corinthians 4:4
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thanks. 🙂


Do you by chance know where the reference to "a time for all things" is?

i know it's somewhere in genisis, but i cant find it.
 
Do you mean these verses?

Ecclesiastes 3
1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
9 What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?
10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.
11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
12 I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.
13 And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.
14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.
17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.
18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Do you mean these verses?

Ecclesiastes 3
1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
9 What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?
10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.
11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
12 I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.
13 And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.
14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.
17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.
18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?
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well, i THOUGHT it was in genisis... guess im wrong. 😛

yes, those are the verses i was thinking of. thanks. i use em all the time when i'm writing essays.. generally the teachers are so stupid that they dont even look at the sources. but i figure in the future, i should probably cite to the right part of the bible 😛
 
Only Actions Matter. Words have no bearing, nor do thoughts. Only Actions. It is our ability to Control our actions that earns us a place in the afterlife
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This statement seems logical but here's what the Bible has to say:

James 3:7-10

All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and creatures of the sea are being tamed and have been tamed by man, but no man can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.
With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be.


1 Peter 3:9-11

Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. For,
"Whoever would love life
and see good days
must keep his tongue from evil
and his lips from deceitful speech.
He must turn from evil and do good;
he must seek peace and pursue it.


James 3:4-6

Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. Likewise the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

Matthew 15:18 - 19

But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' "

I could go on but I think that you get the point.






 
yes i do. i do have a departing from conventional "bible" wisdom on that point.

if you follow my logic to it's end, then beleifs themselves are meaningless, because it is only the culmination of beleifs, in actions, that have any value. we are only judged on our actions. that is my beleif.

i was not saying that speach does not amount to anything, but speach without action does... hmm... action is the culmination of speech, thought, and beliefs. action alone is what we should be judged by....

it's hard to describe why i feel that only actions count.... hmm... i'll work on that explanation...
 
I believe that our thoughts condemn us. As Jesus said "We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him." (1 John 3:14-15)
 
yeah. that is what christians generally beleive. i just cant swallow that. maybe my definition of hate and jesus' definition of hate are 2 different things... but operating off my definition, im going to hell already. even though i try to be as much of a volunteer and benevolent towards society as i can. i just cant swallow that.
 
Exactly. We are all condemned, every last one of us.

Romans 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

What is the consequnce of sin?

Romans 6:22
For the wages of sin is death...


 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Exactly. We are all condemned, every last one of us.

Romans 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

What is the consequnce of sin?

Romans 6:22
For the wages of sin is death...
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ouch.

so, god is getting lonely in heaven... 😛

because, i beleive in some form even jesus had sinned. i cant think of any right now..., but i doubt it's possible to live without sinning.

oh well, as i said, i dont think that the words of the bible are the words of god. but they do hold value nonetheless.
 

Well, I assume you want some feedback, so I'll offer a little.

You say that you believe that the universe is God's creation because you can't think of another "logical" reason for its creation. Isn't it possible that there is another answer that you can't think of? No offense intended, but do you really believe that there's nothing outside the scope of your knowledge right now? It seems to me that it's more accurate to admit that we don't have a good explanation for the creation of the universe (and everything else -- and may never have one) and accept the fact that it is an unanswered question. That is okay. Not being able to think of a better answer isn't very good grounds for jumping to the conclusion that yours must be right.

I'm also a little chagrined by your suggestion that attributing creation to God is a logical conclusion. If you believe in God, it's by faith.

I was also wondering if your "no laws are absolute" law itself absolute.

My two cents

 
Originally posted by: PowerEngineer
Well, I assume you want some feedback, so I'll offer a little.

You say that you believe that the universe is God's creation because you can't think of another "logical" reason for its creation. Isn't it possible that there is another answer that you can't think of? No offense intended, but do you really believe that there's nothing outside the scope of your knowledge right now? It seems to me that it's more accurate to admit that we don't have a good explanation for the creation of the universe (and everything else -- and may never have one) and accept the fact that it is an unanswered question. That is okay. Not being able to think of a better answer isn't very good grounds for jumping to the conclusion that yours must be right.

I'm also a little chagrined by your suggestion that attributing creation to God is a logical conclusion. If you believe in God, it's by faith.

I was also wondering if your "no laws are absolute" law itself absolute.

My two cents
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well, i cant possibly fathom another source of the universe, unless humanity's concept of time itself is flawed. maybe, next universe we'll all still exist, and still have this exact same discussion. an interesting hypothesis, isnt it 😛 by that, we've had this same discussion infinitely many times in the past, and will do so again an infininant amount of times... i tire of talking to you 😛...

okay, back to seriousness.

i dont beleive in god on faith alone. im somewhat of an agnostic.

and that isnt a law, but a rule of thumb. so of course it has some flaws 😛
 
Gospel actually means "good news".

The good news is that Jesus died for your sins. He could do so because he himself was without sin.

I actually with held part of Romans 6:23:

"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

The Christian message is actually quite simple: acknowledge that you are a sinner, confess your sins to God and ask for his forgiveness, and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

As the Bible says: "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9)

Happy Easter!!!!


 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Gospel actually means "good news".

The good news is that Jesus died for your sins. He could do so because he himself was without sin.

I actually with held part of Romans 6:23:

"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

The Christian message is actually quite simple: acknowledge that you are a sinner, confess your sins to God and ask for his forgiveness, and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

As the Bible says: "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9)

Happy Easter!!!!
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i guess that's why i didnt recognize the quote. 😛


i am really not sure i beleive that message. Personally, i feel it's in this life that we make our choices. not in 3 minutes before death. i just dont like the idea of a deathbed christian.

then i rescind my statement about christ may have sinned. 😛

anyways, i think jesus was a very good man, someone who did actually live, and a huge benefit to society. i am not too convinced he is the son of god, or that he was ressurected by god.



of course, my beleifs may change with time. hell, im only 17 😛


Oh, Thanks, and happy Easter to You too 🙂
 
You don't have to wait until your deathbed to decide to follow Jesus, make your choice now!

There's no better time!

For he says,
"In the time of my favor I heard you,
and in the day of salvation I helped you." I tell you, now is the time of God's favor, now is the day of salvation. (2 Corinthians 6:2)
 
ROFL at the adds at the bottom of the page 😛

anyway, i was just saying i despise people who do wait till their deathbed before they make their conversion...

in life i continue to follow my thought and find my own religon. this is just what makes sense to me.

besides, it makes for interesting conversations when the evangelists come to my door. 😛

i suppose it's better than chasing them off with a hacksaw, or proclaiming a beleif in satanism... 😛
 
So do some research and find out the truth without blindly assuming.
Denying facts because you don't like how they sound is the same thing as putting your fingers in your ears and screaming so you don't hear what someone's telling you.
 
i intend to do said research.


but in reality, it is not central to my beleifs. besides, if the church says it is so, then it is so to it's parishiners. please understand that. even the various churches make some departure from exact bible words at some point, and go into their own interpretation.
 
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