Under the law Disney is 100% a private citizen. What are you talking about? The government of Florida took this action in retaliation for Disney speaking in a way Florida does not like. This is a blatant violation of the first amendment. The government is not permitted to begin or end business deals based on the contents of Disney's speech.Disney isn't a private citizen.
They made a business deal, that deal has now ended because of the actions Disney has taken.
Bite the hand that feeds you, then lick the boot that kicks you.
So you are against the first amendment and freedom of speech? You spoke out about California's government all the time, should they have been allowed to deny you building permits?Disney decided to step into the political arena, now they get to play the political game. They should have stuck with running world class parks.
If we want to revisit corporate personhood as a legal idea I'm down with that but under current US law Disney is clearly a 'person' with a first amendment right to freedom of speech. Florida punished them for speaking in ways the state didn't like, which is unconstitutional.What's amusing here is that I, for one, think that granting corporations constitutional rights is ridiculous and dangerous. Defending Disney's "right" to free speech just ain't in the cards for me. On the other hand, Desantis is clearly a fascist scumbag abusing his position for petty political gain.
Why stop there? Remember the fake 'IRS scandal' where conservative groups were falsely thought to have been targeted for audits? Under Greenman's logic Biden should audit them back to the stone age as they are getting what they asked for - they stepped into the political arena and now they're going to suffer the consequences for speaking in ways the government doesn't like.So you are against the first amendment and freedom of speech? You spoke out about California's government all the time, should they have been allowed to deny you building permits?
So you are against the first amendment and freedom of speech? You spoke out about California's government all the time, should they have been allowed to deny you building permits?
What's amusing here is that I, for one, think that granting corporations constitutional rights is ridiculous and dangerous. Defending Disney's "right" to free speech just ain't in the cards for me. On the other hand, Desantis is clearly a fascist scumbag abusing his position for petty political gain.
Disney World is already at capacity. They are increasing prices to keep the crowds down. It would make sense for them to start a 3rd park. Probbaly somewhere in the Mid-West. While they wouldn't be closing down Disney World, it would make Florida nervous.Yeah moving Disney World is not happening. I could see them saying they will limit future investment in Florida but that’s about it.
If I were Disney I would focus more on how DeSantis just put Florida taxpayers on the hook for maintaining a vast and expensive infrastructure. Hope they like higher taxes!
I think if Disney were to open another theme park in the Americas, southern Mexico (Veracruz maybe) or somewhere in South America would make the most sense. In the US, it's either Texas or someplace with too much winter, neither of which have strong appeal.Disney World is already at capacity. They are increasing prices to keep the crowds down. It would make sense for them to start a 3rd park. Probbaly somewhere in the Mid-West. While they wouldn't be closing down Disney World, it would make Florida nervous.
I think if Disney were to open another theme park in the Americas, southern Mexico (Veracruz maybe) or somewhere in South America would make the most sense. In the US, it's either Texas or someplace with too much winter, neither of which have strong appeal.
Too close to Florida, hitting the same one day drive market.Georgia, but that's about as purple as you can get.
So you don't think corporations should be protected from retribution from the government? It doesn't have to be all or nothing. A corporation can have speech, but it can't have religion. Money shouldn't be considered speech, but actually speech should be.What's amusing here is that I, for one, think that granting corporations constitutional rights is ridiculous and dangerous. Defending Disney's "right" to free speech just ain't in the cards for me. On the other hand, Desantis is clearly a fascist scumbag abusing his position for petty political gain.
So you don't think corporations should be protected from retribution from the government? It doesn't have to be all or nothing. A corporation can have speech, but it can't have religion. Money shouldn't be considered speech, but actually speech should be.
Growing up in Oklahoma, I've always known that love of freedom of speech and religion meant "My Speach, My religion."Why stop there? Remember the fake 'IRS scandal' where conservative groups were falsely thought to have been targeted for audits? Under Greenman's logic Biden should audit them back to the stone age as they are getting what they asked for - they stepped into the political arena and now they're going to suffer the consequences for speaking in ways the government doesn't like.
It's startling to me how few people truly believe in free speech and really only believe in free speech that agrees with them.
"Corporations protected from retribution from the government" is not the same thing as granting corporations first amendment rights. Corporations are government chartered entities and should be granted only those privileges deemed to be in the public interest. IMHO, free speech is not one of privileges that should be granted to corporations.So you don't think corporations should be protected from retribution from the government? It doesn't have to be all or nothing. A corporation can have speech, but it can't have religion. Money shouldn't be considered speech, but actually speech should be.
Citizens United would like a word.Disney isn't a private citizen.
Midwest would cut out an entire portion of the year that the park would have to be closed down, rides disassembled for the season, etc. I have doubts Disney would build a park anywhere that revenue would be so limited by seasons.Disney World is already at capacity. They are increasing prices to keep the crowds down. It would make sense for them to start a 3rd park. Probbaly somewhere in the Mid-West. While they wouldn't be closing down Disney World, it would make Florida nervous.
They should leak that they are looking somewhere to build WDW2.Disney World is already at capacity. They are increasing prices to keep the crowds down. It would make sense for them to start a 3rd park. Probbaly somewhere in the Mid-West. While they wouldn't be closing down Disney World, it would make Florida nervous.
Thats what free speech is. Freedom from government retribution over said speech."Corporations protected from retribution from the government" is not the same thing as granting corporations first amendment rights. Corporations are government chartered entities and should be granted only those privileges deemed to be in the public interest. IMHO, free speech is not one of privileges that should be granted to corporations.
1. the plaintiff was engaged in a constitutionally protected activity;
2. the defendant’s actions against the plaintiff would chill a person of ordinary firmness from continuing to engage in the protected activity; and
3. the plaintiff’s protected activity was a substantial or motivating factor in the defendant’s conduct.
This is a slam dunk case of First Amendment relatiation. It's not even a close case. Disney has a legal right of action against the State of Florida under 42 USC 1983. The following jury instruction defines the elements of that claim:
.9.11 Particular Rights—First Amendment—"Citizen" Plaintiff | Model Jury Instructions
www.ce9.uscourts.gov
So long as corporations having First Amendment rights is current law, these laws apply. There is literally a federal statute that grants a civil right of action for any level of government taking punitive action against a private citizen in retaliation for something they said. It is illegal and unconstitutional, period. Zero ambiguity.
So does that mean you are good with the government punishing corporations for speech? Knowing this would include charities like Planned Parenthood, and collective action corporations like HOAs and Unions. Your HOA president runs against the mayor, say goodbye to your trash collection.I’d be perfectly fine if the Florida courts rejected the personhood idea and the Supreme Court upheld the ruling.