- Jan 4, 2001
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Hello, AT forum...it's been awhile since I've been here, probably since we migrated away from, oh what was it, vBulletin? Whatever came after Fusetalk I think.
I've had a new development in my life: I bought a house awhile ago, and am still deciding if it was a good thing or not, which seems to be fairly common.
It seems like I'm now in servitude to the house for the foreseeable future.
What brings me here is drainage. If it rains for 2+ days, I get water seeping through the base of the basement walls on one side of the house. The walls are cinder-block, with a poured-concrete slab. (Hopefully I'm using the right terminology here...) The trickle of water goes right down a floor drain, but I've since learned that that can be a bad thing due freeze/thaw damage, and something I hadn't known about before: Hydrostatic pressure that can actually be enough to cause severe damage to the foundation walls. (I've been repeatedly astonished by some of the problems houses can have, as if they were never expecting them to be outdoors in the rain. I also learned that sewer backups are fairly common in the US, and given that, that backflow-preventers are not standard equipment; I suppose both things were unfathomable to me, because I never would have considered that either would have been so readily tolerated, or even permitted by building codes.)
Here's a basic diagram of the house and yard.
To the east of the house, not shown, the ground slopes down and away from the house, a drop of at least 6 feet total, down to the street. On the north side, the small strip of grass shown is flat, and then slopes downward away from the house.
But the yard slopes gently toward the house. The orange oval is the highest portion, almost a ridge running along the south end of the lot. To the south....driveway, and the neighbor's house.
The red line shows the section of the basement where water seeps in. The basement floor is roughly 6 feet below ground-level.
I've gotten estimates on two options so far, but there seems to be a bit of bias:
The guy selling an indoor French drain system says that it'll take care of the problem.
The guy selling an outdoor curtain/French drain right next to the foundation says that'll take care of the problem.
And I don't know what's best to do.
I've considered a lot of options here, including some longer-term goals at the same time.
- Rent a Bobcat and try to re-grade the yard myself to slope it away from the house, after I find some information on what attachment is best for that. I could use the dirt out front; I'd love a 2-3ft-high, well-drained retaining wall on the front slope.
Part of the regrade would include replanting the yard with something that either requires much less mowing, which some types of grass can allegedly do, or look at some "no-mow" types of lawns.
- Regrading: I don't know if I should then also replace some of the soil with something with sand or gravel so that it drains better. At one point I dug a hole in the yard during a light rain. It immediately started filling with water. I left it there for more than 2 months, and never once saw its water level go down by more than about 2" below the surrounding dirt. The water just doesn't want to go anywhere. The back yard squishes when walked on. (I bought the house in the winter, so the yard was frozen at the time.)
- I also don't want to regrade it and dump water into a neighbor's yard, so maybe it'd have to be graded and then piped out toward the street with a curtain drain: Slope it toward one side, and put a curtain drain there to catch the water before it can go anywhere else.
- Call 811 or the utility companies to come out and mark underground pipes and such, and either pay a contractor for the outdoor curtain drain, or even give it a shot myself. The part of that that concerns me the most is the time it might take doing it myself: If I get a nice trench dug and it starts raining, I might get stuck with a moat.
Hell I've even thought about buying an old used front-loader/backhoe for this and a few other projects here. That'd be fun to use one of those things again. Even old ones are expensive though.
tl;dr: Bought a house, the previous owner was evidently not as focused on "infrastructure" spending as I am, so I'm trying to remedy some of this stuff, starting with drainage of the back yard.
Too many options....don't know where to start.
I've had a new development in my life: I bought a house awhile ago, and am still deciding if it was a good thing or not, which seems to be fairly common.
What brings me here is drainage. If it rains for 2+ days, I get water seeping through the base of the basement walls on one side of the house. The walls are cinder-block, with a poured-concrete slab. (Hopefully I'm using the right terminology here...) The trickle of water goes right down a floor drain, but I've since learned that that can be a bad thing due freeze/thaw damage, and something I hadn't known about before: Hydrostatic pressure that can actually be enough to cause severe damage to the foundation walls. (I've been repeatedly astonished by some of the problems houses can have, as if they were never expecting them to be outdoors in the rain. I also learned that sewer backups are fairly common in the US, and given that, that backflow-preventers are not standard equipment; I suppose both things were unfathomable to me, because I never would have considered that either would have been so readily tolerated, or even permitted by building codes.)
Here's a basic diagram of the house and yard.
To the east of the house, not shown, the ground slopes down and away from the house, a drop of at least 6 feet total, down to the street. On the north side, the small strip of grass shown is flat, and then slopes downward away from the house.
But the yard slopes gently toward the house. The orange oval is the highest portion, almost a ridge running along the south end of the lot. To the south....driveway, and the neighbor's house.
The red line shows the section of the basement where water seeps in. The basement floor is roughly 6 feet below ground-level.
I've gotten estimates on two options so far, but there seems to be a bit of bias:
The guy selling an indoor French drain system says that it'll take care of the problem.
The guy selling an outdoor curtain/French drain right next to the foundation says that'll take care of the problem.
And I don't know what's best to do.
I've considered a lot of options here, including some longer-term goals at the same time.
- Rent a Bobcat and try to re-grade the yard myself to slope it away from the house, after I find some information on what attachment is best for that. I could use the dirt out front; I'd love a 2-3ft-high, well-drained retaining wall on the front slope.
Part of the regrade would include replanting the yard with something that either requires much less mowing, which some types of grass can allegedly do, or look at some "no-mow" types of lawns.
- Regrading: I don't know if I should then also replace some of the soil with something with sand or gravel so that it drains better. At one point I dug a hole in the yard during a light rain. It immediately started filling with water. I left it there for more than 2 months, and never once saw its water level go down by more than about 2" below the surrounding dirt. The water just doesn't want to go anywhere. The back yard squishes when walked on. (I bought the house in the winter, so the yard was frozen at the time.)
- I also don't want to regrade it and dump water into a neighbor's yard, so maybe it'd have to be graded and then piped out toward the street with a curtain drain: Slope it toward one side, and put a curtain drain there to catch the water before it can go anywhere else.
- Call 811 or the utility companies to come out and mark underground pipes and such, and either pay a contractor for the outdoor curtain drain, or even give it a shot myself. The part of that that concerns me the most is the time it might take doing it myself: If I get a nice trench dug and it starts raining, I might get stuck with a moat.
Hell I've even thought about buying an old used front-loader/backhoe for this and a few other projects here. That'd be fun to use one of those things again. Even old ones are expensive though.
tl;dr: Bought a house, the previous owner was evidently not as focused on "infrastructure" spending as I am, so I'm trying to remedy some of this stuff, starting with drainage of the back yard.
Too many options....don't know where to start.