Yao Ming done for good?

[Yongsta]

Originally posted by: MrMatt
I said he was over-rated when he came here. Everyone laughed at me, I kept saying he was soft, injury prone, and even up to this season, has had great flashes, but can't stay healthy. I don't see this as a big loss. It's not like he was ever healthy come playoff time.

Over-rated? Most people were saying he was going to be a bust (Shawn Bradley 2.0) yet he became a perennial all-star, so how is that over-rated? Soft? See Tim Duncan, he has rings. Injury Prone? Yes, he is injury prone.

 

[Linux23]

maybe the chinese body is not built to deal with the level of abuse that this sport requires?

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: sactoking
I'm not really surprised. It seems like pretty much every big man has growth/joint/arthritis problems. Seems like Shaq and David Robinson are the only two 7 footers recently that HAVEN'T had these issues. That's all the more surprising for Shaq, considering what a tub of lard he is.

Shaq is just built really large though. To paraphrase Cartman : he's big boned. His joints and bones are scaled to his epic size. Yao is built a lot lighter in frame.

I like Yao, and would bet that even if he is done with basketball, he will do well in life. He probably did a better job managing his money than a lot of people tend to do, and I've seen him do a lot of endorsements.

It's too bad the 7'9", and much stouter built Sun MingMing never made the leap to the NBA. I suppose it's hard for a 370lb guy to play competitively for an entire NBA game though.

 

[neegotiator]

Originally posted by: Yongsta

Originally posted by: MrMatt
I said he was over-rated when he came here. Everyone laughed at me, I kept saying he was soft, injury prone, and even up to this season, has had great flashes, but can't stay healthy. I don't see this as a big loss. It's not like he was ever healthy come playoff time.

Over-rated? Most people were saying he was going to be a bust (Shawn Bradley 2.0) yet he became a perennial all-star, so how is that over-rated? Soft? See Tim Duncan, he has rings. Injury Prone? Yes, he is injury prone.

yes he's soft b/c he's tried to play through injuries and works harder than anyone else on the squad. you're absolutely right.

and yes it's not a big loss b/c we've built our team around him and tmac. w/ tmac out and prob on the move, artest not resigned yet, yeah it's no big deal.

 

[se7en]

Originally posted by: Yongsta


yet he became a perennial all-star,

lolz what? You know were talking about Yao here right?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: cheezy321


Kobe has probably played 1.5 - 2X the amount of hours that Yao has over the course of his basketball career.

i doubt that. yao plays competitive basketball practically year round.

 

[MikeMike]

I am surprised no one here has mentioned the comparisons this could possibly draw with Zydrunas Ilgauskus. Being that Z had a LOT of missed time in his younger years due to his feet, he has had numerous surgeries on them throughout his career, but now he is better and playing well and adapting to what he can and cant do. If Yao can play again, he best turn to Z and figure out what Z did in order to keep himself current.

 

[Alienwho]

Originally posted by: Linux23
maybe the chinese body is not built to deal with the level of abuse that this sport requires?

Jackie Chan anyone?

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: cheezy321


Kobe has probably played 1.5 - 2X the amount of hours that Yao has over the course of his basketball career.

i doubt that. yao plays competitive basketball practically year round.

About Kobe:
"He started playing basketball when he was 3 years old". Kobe has been playing competitive basketball (at the highest level possible) since he was 18. Before that, he was playing it even more. Since Kobe has been in the league he has been in the playoffs almost every year.

Kobe:
Games Played (NBA): 948
Playoff Games Played (NBA): 175
Total: 1123

Yao:
Games Played (CBA): 122
Games Played (NBA): 481
Games played(Playoffs): 28
Total: 631

So yeah....Im pretty sure Kobe has put in more hours playing the game than Yao..

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: Yongsta

Originally posted by: MrMatt
I said he was over-rated when he came here. Everyone laughed at me, I kept saying he was soft, injury prone, and even up to this season, has had great flashes, but can't stay healthy. I don't see this as a big loss. It's not like he was ever healthy come playoff time.

Over-rated? Most people were saying he was going to be a bust (Shawn Bradley 2.0) yet he became a perennial all-star, so how is that over-rated? Soft? See Tim Duncan, he has rings. Injury Prone? Yes, he is injury prone.

Yes, Yao Ming was/is overrated. He was hailed as the "next great big man" and didn't even come close to living up to that.

When he started he was soft and got dominated by most shorter big men. He was finally starting to play well over the past couple seasons, but in no way did he live up to the hype.

(and a hint, he was a "perennial all-star" because there about 19 billion people in China who voted him in every year)

 

[dougp]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: sactoking
I'm not really surprised. It seems like pretty much every big man has growth/joint/arthritis problems. Seems like Shaq and David Robinson are the only two 7 footers recently that HAVEN'T had these issues. That's all the more surprising for Shaq, considering what a tub of lard he is.

Shaq is just built really large though. To paraphrase Cartman : he's big boned. His joints and bones are scaled to his epic size. Yao is built a lot lighter in frame.

I like Yao, and would bet that even if he is done with basketball, he will do well in life. He probably did a better job managing his money than a lot of people tend to do, and I've seen him do a lot of endorsements.

It's too bad the 7'9", and much stouter built Sun MingMing never made the leap to the NBA. I suppose it's hard for a 370lb guy to play competitively for an entire NBA game though.

David actually had bad back problems - one of the reasons the Spurs ended up with Duncan in the 97 draft, is that David was out for 95% of the previous season.

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: vi edit
It will be interesting to see how things play out between the NBA/teams and the various countries. That makes two guys from the same state (Yao and Ginobili) that have played essentially year round on the international and NBA circuit.

I wonder just how much leverage the NBA can apply to these types of players. I don't know the whole history on Yao and how China treats it's players, but it's almost like China acts as if it's doing the NBA a favor letting Yao play in the NBA. His "real" job is playing for their international team.

Ginobili seemed like he had a little more free will in his playing for Argentina but his pride more or less fueled him through those summer games.

But I'm just intrigued to see how far the NBA will go to protect it's assets.

Kobe played a summer qualifying tournement, then went all the way to game 6 in the finals in a loss to Boston, then played on the US team in China all the way to a gold medal, then went all the way into the playoffs and won in 6 in the finals.

That is a lot of extra basketball with almost no time off. I dont want to hear the Yao or Manu crowd crying.


Yao was just coming into his own in the NBA it seems. He really impressed me in the playoffs this year.

Manu has spent the last 10 years playing basketball year round. Yao's been doing it for 6 years ... You seriously need to quit sucking off Kobe or he won't be able to play next year with the groin strain.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: dougp

Manu has spent the last 10 years playing basketball year round. Yao's been doing it for 6 years ... You seriously need to quit sucking off Kobe or he won't be able to play next year with the groin strain.

Yea, I would still be upset too.

 

[dougp]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: dougp

Manu has spent the last 10 years playing basketball year round. Yao's been doing it for 6 years ... You seriously need to quit sucking off Kobe or he won't be able to play next year with the groin strain.

Yea, I would still be upset too.

If you think I'm upset about it - you need to grow up. I'm seriously fucking tired of you and your shit - you're not a basketball fan, you're a bandwagon Laker's fan. All you seem to do is suck off Kobe and overlook anyone else in basketball. Kobe is not the end all, be all of the sport.

Go jump off a fuckin building.

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: dougp
David actually had bad back problems - one of the reasons the Spurs ended up with Duncan in the 97 draft, is that David was out for 95% of the previous season.

I forgot about that. Was it a recurring/degenerative condition, or a "one-shot" legit injury? My point was that 7-footers are susceptible to recurring/degenerative conditions, so Ming's predicament shouldn't be surprising. I guess if the Admiral's back wasn't a one-shot deal, that would lend more weight to my statement.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: dougp

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: sactoking
I'm not really surprised. It seems like pretty much every big man has growth/joint/arthritis problems. Seems like Shaq and David Robinson are the only two 7 footers recently that HAVEN'T had these issues. That's all the more surprising for Shaq, considering what a tub of lard he is.

Shaq is just built really large though. To paraphrase Cartman : he's big boned. His joints and bones are scaled to his epic size. Yao is built a lot lighter in frame.

I like Yao, and would bet that even if he is done with basketball, he will do well in life. He probably did a better job managing his money than a lot of people tend to do, and I've seen him do a lot of endorsements.

It's too bad the 7'9", and much stouter built Sun MingMing never made the leap to the NBA. I suppose it's hard for a 370lb guy to play competitively for an entire NBA game though.

David actually had bad back problems - one of the reasons the Spurs ended up with Duncan in the 97 draft, is that David was out for 95% of the previous season.

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: vi edit
It will be interesting to see how things play out between the NBA/teams and the various countries. That makes two guys from the same state (Yao and Ginobili) that have played essentially year round on the international and NBA circuit.

I wonder just how much leverage the NBA can apply to these types of players. I don't know the whole history on Yao and how China treats it's players, but it's almost like China acts as if it's doing the NBA a favor letting Yao play in the NBA. His "real" job is playing for their international team.

Ginobili seemed like he had a little more free will in his playing for Argentina but his pride more or less fueled him through those summer games.

But I'm just intrigued to see how far the NBA will go to protect it's assets.

Kobe played a summer qualifying tournement, then went all the way to game 6 in the finals in a loss to Boston, then played on the US team in China all the way to a gold medal, then went all the way into the playoffs and won in 6 in the finals.

That is a lot of extra basketball with almost no time off. I dont want to hear the Yao or Manu crowd crying.


Yao was just coming into his own in the NBA it seems. He really impressed me in the playoffs this year.

Manu has spent the last 10 years playing basketball year round. Yao's been doing it for 6 years ... You seriously need to quit sucking off Kobe or he won't be able to play next year with the groin strain.

Yep, that's why I didn't mention David

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: dougp

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: dougp

Manu has spent the last 10 years playing basketball year round. Yao's been doing it for 6 years ... You seriously need to quit sucking off Kobe or he won't be able to play next year with the groin strain.

Yea, I would still be upset too.

If you think I'm upset about it - you need to grow up. I'm seriously fucking tired of you and your shit - you're not a basketball fan, you're a bandwagon Laker's fan. All you seem to do is suck off Kobe and overlook anyone else in basketball. Kobe is not the end all, be all of the sport.

Go jump off a fuckin building.

How do you really feel?

Seriously, you said the Spurs were #1 this year in the other thread. That disqualifies you from all basketball discussion.

Then you say you arent upset about getting owned by a lowly #6 Dallas, and proceed to go on a rant akin to a child not getting some candy at the store. Stick around, you entertain me.

 

[MrMatt]

Originally posted by: neegotiator

Originally posted by: Yongsta

Originally posted by: MrMatt
I said he was over-rated when he came here. Everyone laughed at me, I kept saying he was soft, injury prone, and even up to this season, has had great flashes, but can't stay healthy. I don't see this as a big loss. It's not like he was ever healthy come playoff time.

Over-rated? Most people were saying he was going to be a bust (Shawn Bradley 2.0) yet he became a perennial all-star, so how is that over-rated? Soft? See Tim Duncan, he has rings. Injury Prone? Yes, he is injury prone.

yes he's soft b/c he's tried to play through injuries and works harder than anyone else on the squad. you're absolutely right.

and yes it's not a big loss b/c we've built our team around him and tmac. w/ tmac out and prob on the move, artest not resigned yet, yeah it's no big deal.

Tmac was over rated too....you notice how Houston does better without them? See: 20 game win streak last year. See: Playoffs this year.

 

[MrMatt]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: Yongsta

Originally posted by: MrMatt
I said he was over-rated when he came here. Everyone laughed at me, I kept saying he was soft, injury prone, and even up to this season, has had great flashes, but can't stay healthy. I don't see this as a big loss. It's not like he was ever healthy come playoff time.

Over-rated? Most people were saying he was going to be a bust (Shawn Bradley 2.0) yet he became a perennial all-star, so how is that over-rated? Soft? See Tim Duncan, he has rings. Injury Prone? Yes, he is injury prone.

Yes, Yao Ming was/is overrated. He was hailed as the "next great big man" and didn't even come close to living up to that.

When he started he was soft and got dominated by most shorter big men. He was finally starting to play well over the past couple seasons, but in no way did he live up to the hype.

(and a hint, he was a "perennial all-star" because there about 19 billion people in China who voted him in every year)

mhmmm. He finally started to play harder the last few years...and got injured repeatedly. Bust.

 

[dougp]

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: dougp
David actually had bad back problems - one of the reasons the Spurs ended up with Duncan in the 97 draft, is that David was out for 95% of the previous season.

I forgot about that. Was it a recurring/degenerative condition, or a "one-shot" legit injury? My point was that 7-footers are susceptible to recurring/degenerative conditions, so Ming's predicament shouldn't be surprising. I guess if the Admiral's back wasn't a one-shot deal, that would lend more weight to my statement.

David's lasted for quite a while, and I also think it effected him being able to preach too.

 

[Yongsta]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: Yongsta

Originally posted by: MrMatt
I said he was over-rated when he came here. Everyone laughed at me, I kept saying he was soft, injury prone, and even up to this season, has had great flashes, but can't stay healthy. I don't see this as a big loss. It's not like he was ever healthy come playoff time.

Over-rated? Most people were saying he was going to be a bust (Shawn Bradley 2.0) yet he became a perennial all-star, so how is that over-rated? Soft? See Tim Duncan, he has rings. Injury Prone? Yes, he is injury prone.

Yes, Yao Ming was/is overrated. He was hailed as the "next great big man" and didn't even come close to living up to that.

When he started he was soft and got dominated by most shorter big men. He was finally starting to play well over the past couple seasons, but in no way did he live up to the hype.

(and a hint, he was a "perennial all-star" because there about 19 billion people in China who voted him in every year)

Next great big man? All the articles I've read before the draft was that he has bust potential all over. Charles Barkley said he would kiss a donkey's ass if Yao ever scored 20 points and Dick Vitale said he's going to be the biggest bust in history. I've never read anything about him being the next big great man before being drafted, he was actually underrated from what the pundits said.

 

[Yongsta]

Originally posted by: se7en

Originally posted by: Yongsta


yet he became a perennial all-star,

lolz what? You know were talking about Yao here right?

7 years in the league and 7 all-star teams

 

[masterxfob]

it's pathetic how you guys can turn anything and everything into a pissing contest.

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: masterxfob
it's pathetic how you guys can turn anything and everything into a pissing contest.

BILLY MAYS HERE....IF YOU BUY INTO THIS PISSING MATCH NOW I WILL ADD 3 MORE PISSING MATCHES FOR FREE (JUST PAY S&H). CAN YOU BELIEVE IT? 4 PISSING MATCHES FOR THE PRICE OF ONE!

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: Yongsta

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: Yongsta

Originally posted by: MrMatt
I said he was over-rated when he came here. Everyone laughed at me, I kept saying he was soft, injury prone, and even up to this season, has had great flashes, but can't stay healthy. I don't see this as a big loss. It's not like he was ever healthy come playoff time.

Over-rated? Most people were saying he was going to be a bust (Shawn Bradley 2.0) yet he became a perennial all-star, so how is that over-rated? Soft? See Tim Duncan, he has rings. Injury Prone? Yes, he is injury prone.

Yes, Yao Ming was/is overrated. He was hailed as the "next great big man" and didn't even come close to living up to that.

When he started he was soft and got dominated by most shorter big men. He was finally starting to play well over the past couple seasons, but in no way did he live up to the hype.

(and a hint, he was a "perennial all-star" because there about 19 billion people in China who voted him in every year)

Next great big man? All the articles I've read before the draft was that he has bust potential all over. Charles Barkley said he would kiss a donkey's ass if Yao ever scored 20 points and Dick Vitale said he's going to be the biggest bust in history. I've never read anything about him being the next big great man before being drafted, he was actually underrated from what the pundits said.

He was the #1 pick, that is hype enough.

So he wasn't a massive bust, he was still a bust. Making an all-star team != being a star player

 

[Yongsta]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: Yongsta

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: Yongsta

Originally posted by: MrMatt
I said he was over-rated when he came here. Everyone laughed at me, I kept saying he was soft, injury prone, and even up to this season, has had great flashes, but can't stay healthy. I don't see this as a big loss. It's not like he was ever healthy come playoff time.

Over-rated? Most people were saying he was going to be a bust (Shawn Bradley 2.0) yet he became a perennial all-star, so how is that over-rated? Soft? See Tim Duncan, he has rings. Injury Prone? Yes, he is injury prone.

Yes, Yao Ming was/is overrated. He was hailed as the "next great big man" and didn't even come close to living up to that.

When he started he was soft and got dominated by most shorter big men. He was finally starting to play well over the past couple seasons, but in no way did he live up to the hype.

(and a hint, he was a "perennial all-star" because there about 19 billion people in China who voted him in every year)

Next great big man? All the articles I've read before the draft was that he has bust potential all over. Charles Barkley said he would kiss a donkey's ass if Yao ever scored 20 points and Dick Vitale said he's going to be the biggest bust in history. I've never read anything about him being the next big great man before being drafted, he was actually underrated from what the pundits said.

He was the #1 pick, that is hype enough.

So he wasn't a massive bust, he was still a bust. Making an all-star team != being a star player

So how many centers during Yao's time in the league was better than him? You could argue Shaq and that's about it (Tim Duncan is a PF). So 7 years giving you top production or near it for 7 years = bust? Kwame Brown / Darko Milicic are busts, Yao is far from it.