YANEPT: The two types of PATRIOTS fans; cheating & more

[Mojoed]

I think the PATS are doomed to be hated no matter what they do. They got caught cheating and have paid dearly for doing so. I can only hope this won't significantly damage their legacy, as I truly believe this team is one of the best ever. A few Patriots fans on this board (and others) seem to be trying their best to make sure the Pats are hated more than they should be.

It's trendy for the masses to hate top teams anyway, but considering the circumstances above, the Pats seem to be screwed either way.

Consider the two scenarios: (#2 is actually happening)

1) They win all or most of their games, but have several close games and most games go down to the wire. (Like past Pats teams) If this happened, people would be screaming, "AHHH, I KNEW IT. NOW THAT THEY CAN'T CHEAT ANYMORE, THEY'RE AN AVERAGE TEAM AND IT SHOWS."

2) They blow out everyone and have an average margin of victory of 25.5 points (!!) and people would (are) scream(ing), "AHH THEY/BELICHEAT HAVE NO CLASS AND RUN UP THE SCORE" -or- "Tom Brady only cares about records."

That being said, as a die-hard Pats fan I'm not sure how I feel about all this. I consider myself objective regarding what's going on. I mean, I love the fact that they're winning but there are a few glaring examples I can think of that leaves me wondering.

Take for example in the 4th quarter with the Pats up 38-0, Brady is in, I repeat, Brady is in and they go for it on 4th down from the Redskins 2 yard line. Now for those who don't know, Brady had the current NFL record for 7 consecutive games with 3+ TD passes. At this point in the game, at 38-0 this record is in jeopardy of ceasing, as he only has 2 TD's. He then tosses his 3rd TD on 4th down, extending his own record and is then removed from the game. How much of a lead do you need to remove your star QB? 38? 45?

Again as a Pats fan I'm torn. I love the fact that they're kicking ass. What they're doing is truly historic, and I realize I'll probably never see another team like this in my life, but I can completely understand why non Pats fans are going with #2 above.

I think certain Pats fans on this board are partly to blame for the venom some people are feeling towards the Pats. These posters have a knack of getting people going. They start threads with the quite obvious intent of starting a pissing contest. I think the aggressive, smarmy attitude of some Pats fans really irk people. I believe these fans are the catalyst for the extra level of hate.

So what is the point of this thread? I've got several friends on this board who are Pats fans, and we sigh and shake our collective heads whenever we see certain replies/threads from certain posters when it comes to Pats discussion. A vocal minority are making 'Patriot Nation' look like morons when that really isn't the case.

I just hope the Patriots long-term legacy isn't damaged more than it should be by 'holier-than-thou' Pats fans rubbing it in more than they should, and blindly defending absolutely everything they do without thinking objectively at all.

I am not one of these fans! :beer:

 

[BUTCH1]

Running up the score is BB's way of saying F-you to the rest of the league. As a lifelong
Pat's fan I don't think it's a good idea, one day when things are not going so well some
of these players are going to remember getting there faces rubbed in the dirt. By the
same token the beloved patriot's had 3.5 hrs, to do something about it and did little..

 

[dbk]

www.patriots.com

 

[Mojoed]

Originally posted by: dbk
www.patriots.com

What about it?

 

[Excelsior]

I'll say this:

I am definitely not a Patriots fan. I don't hate them though. They're extremely good. I also don't think they should be ridiculed or criticized for supposedly running up the score. This is the fucking NFL. You either win or lose, and how much you win or lose by is of little consequence at the end of the season. They are all grown me who are paid a lot of money to do a job and if one team does it really well and another does it very poorly, so be it. If you can destroy your opponent, by all means, do so. They'd love to do the same to you. Feelings don't have a place in the NFL. And leads are rarely guaranteed anyway, especially in this league.

I do, however, dislike some of their fans.

 

[Mr Incognito]

We play with a salary cap. We play by the same rules. We took a chance on Brady when Bledsoe got knocked by Mo Collins. We took a chance on Moss, I didn't hear anyone else go for him, look what he does when motivated by a good QB. I get why people hate the Patriots but you can't deny their organization knows how to maximize talent.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

my diagnosis:

OP has an advanced case of vaginosis. grow a pair and post in the morning.

edit: ok i've been drinking, i'm sorry. jsut relax and let the good times roll, man. all this complaining over some small time indescrepancy (which everyone does) and weak schedules and running up the score is crazy. the patriots must be the most scrutinzed team in the league, so cheating is out of the question. the league determines the schedule, not the team. that schedule includes 4 teams currently with winning records. as far as running up the score, tough beans. there is nothing distasteful or unsportsmanlike about doing what you're supposed to do, and excelling at it. nobody cried foul when the patriots were on the receiving end of year after year of punishment.

 

[herkulease]

Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
We play with a salary cap. We play by the same rules. We took a chance on Brady when Bledsoe got knocked by Mo Collins. We took a chance on Moss, I didn't hear anyone else go for him, look what he does when motivated by a good QB. I get why people hate the Patriots but you can't deny their organization knows how to maximize talent.

I believe others did. they probably didn't offer enough seeing as how everybody figured the RAiders just want to get rid of him, you low ball them.

anyhow I'm suspicious of Moss redoing his remaining 2 year 21 mil deal, to a 1 year 2.5 mil deal with roster bonus and 2 mil in incentives.

As for the OP question. I am annoyed by the constant talk of the Patriots being the greatest thing since sliced bread more than anything else. From their fans to the tv sports people. I partly blame John Madden, who has a huge hard on for Tom Brady and others. I don't know why none of the TV sports people have a the guts to say the Patriots having been facing mediocre teams. Other than the Cowboys they haven't faced anybody that is reasonably good. The chargers are in between since on paper they were great but until recently they had lots of trouble doign anything right. having LT run all over the raiders sure does help.

Anyhow not counting the cowboys, the Patriots opponents combined record is 18-33. Why should I be impressed by what they are doing? I should expect it.

As for running up the score part. I'm more concerned with some defensive player not being too happy with them running it up, that he'll resort to some dirty move than being classy and running out clock. Game was over with at that point. Why risk injury just to say FU to everyone else?

 

[SSSnail]

About running up the score bit. Yes they did go for 4 and 2, what else did you want them to do, hand to ball over? Kick a field goal? STFU now. Quit whining. TYVM.

Sports is about competition, it's not about making your opponents feel good. It's inevitable that some feelings will be hurt, it's good that the Pats are doing what they're doing, it gives the other teams character. It builds their hate, vengeance, and retaliation; it makes them wanting to play better. You should thank the Pats if you're a supporter of the losers.

If you don't like being beaten up, then as I've suggested in other threads, don't play. Don't show up. Forfeit. Beg for mercy. For the whiny fans, don't cheer or root for the teams that are getting their asses handed to them, problems solved.

As for Brady scoring, I say go for it. Set that damn record so high that it'll be there in the NFL hall of fame LONG after he's dead and nobody will break it. It's a chance of a lifetime to achieve something great. Fuck you for trying to bring the man down, you and the rest of the whiny bastards.

You may not like it, but trust me, all the NE fans are cheering and wanted a shut out.

I remember something like this, it's called Mike Tyson syndrome. You KNOW he's gonna knock somebody out in the first round. You don't like paying for the PPV event, tickets, etc... but yet you keep watching and paying to watch. Give in to it, you'll feel better.

There are two ways to deal with things in life; you can either take it as it comes, and face another day with the best attitude that you can, or you can whine about the situation.

p.s. Drop the ruse, you're not a Pats fan.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: Mojoed
I think the PATS are doomed to be hated no matter what they do. They got caught cheating and have paid dearly for doing so. I can only hope this won't significantly damage their legacy, as I truly believe this team is one of the best ever. A few Patriots fans on this board (and others) seem to be trying their best to make sure the Pats are hated more than they should be.

It's trendy for the masses to hate top teams anyway, but considering the circumstances above, the Pats seem to be screwed either way.

Consider the two scenarios: (#2 is actually happening)

1) They win all or most of their games, but have several close games and most games go down to the wire. (Like past Pats teams) If this happened, people would be screaming, "AHHH, I KNEW IT. NOW THAT THEY CAN'T CHEAT ANYMORE, THEY'RE AN AVERAGE TEAM AND IT SHOWS."

2) They blow out everyone and have an average margin of victory of 25.5 points (!!) and people would (are) scream(ing), "AHH THEY/BELICHEAT HAVE NO CLASS AND RUN UP THE SCORE" -or- "Tom Brady only cares about records."

That being said, as a die-hard Pats fan I'm not sure how I feel about all this. I consider myself objective regarding what's going on. I mean, I love the fact that they're winning but there are a few glaring examples I can think of that leaves me wondering.

Take for example in the 4th quarter with the Pats up 38-0, Brady is in, I repeat, Brady is in and they go for it on 4th down from the Redskins 2 yard line. Now for those who don't know, Brady had the current NFL record for 7 consecutive games with 3+ TD passes. At this point in the game, at 38-0 this record is in jeopardy of ceasing, as he only has 2 TD's. He then tosses his 3rd TD on 4th down, extending his own record and is then removed from the game. How much of a lead do you need to remove your star QB? 38? 45?

Again as a Pats fan I'm torn. I love the fact that they're kicking ass. What they're doing is truly historic, and I realize I'll probably never see another team like this in my life, but I can completely understand why non Pats fans are going with #2 above.

I think certain Pats fans on this board are partly to blame for the venom some people are feeling towards the Pats. These posters have a knack of getting people going. They start threads with the quite obvious intent of starting a pissing contest. I think the aggressive, smarmy attitude of some Pats fans really irk people. I believe these fans are the catalyst for the extra level of hate.

So what is the point of this thread? I've got several friends on this board who are Pats fans, and we sigh and shake our collective heads whenever we see certain replies/threads from certain posters when it comes to Pats discussion. A vocal minority are making 'Patriot Nation' look like morons when that really isn't the case.

I just hope the Patriots long-term legacy isn't damaged more than it should be by 'holier-than-thou' Pats fans rubbing it in more than they should, and blindly defending absolutely everything they do without thinking objectively at all.

I am not one of these fans! :beer:

i think they should have been barred from the post season because of the cheating!

just goes to show cheaters win

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: JEDI

i think they should have been barred from the post season because of the cheating!

just goes to show cheaters win ...Wahhhhhh!

:shocked:

 

[SearchMaster]

I am not a Patriots fan.

I like the team, but Belichick rubs me the wrong way. I don't care for him. But I gotta respect his results.

 

[Linflas]

Where is the "I have always hated them along with Buffalo and the Jets becuase they are division rivals" option?

 

[se7en]

I am no pats fan.

They have a bad ass team though and Bill is a great coach. Everyone keeps crying "cheater cheater pumpkin eater" but he didnt get caught doing shit a staff member did. He took the blame as any good coach would and if anyone thinks their team doesn't do shady things to win their retarded. Every team doesn't employ the same methods but if you want to stay in the league you find an edge and you use it.

If the game had been close I might be a little more critical of their actions.
If the Jets had ANY CHANCE AT ALL of winning again I might feel different.

I just glad I get to see a team like this in my day I just wish it was my team :beer:

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
We play by the same rules.

So why'd your team lose a first round draft pick then?

 

[rsd]

You're right OP. Next time some company is kicking its competition's ass, it should let it up and tell its shareholders..."No, we've made enough money. It wouldn't be fair to anyone else if we kept making more". Oh wait...they NEVER say that. That's right, because they're professionals just like the rest of the NFL.

People are acting like this is the first time a team scored 50+ points. Hell the Eagles did it a few weeks ago.

Don't worry, the big, bad Patriots are coming to a stadium near you to rape and pillage.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
We play by the same rules.

So why'd your team lose a first round draft pick then?

because they got cought doing something 99% of all other teams also do

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
We play by the same rules.

So why'd your team lose a first round draft pick then?

because they got cought doing something 99% of all other teams also do

Prove it. Otherwise, that's just rationalizing BS.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
We play by the same rules.

So why'd your team lose a first round draft pick then?

B/c Mangina tattled on him b/c he needed an excuse for his pathetic team getting crushed. All other teams play these games but the coaches never felt the need to cry about it til Mangina.

 

[jjones]

You missed a poll option and screw all the bandwagon haters. I've been hating since before they even won their first ring - I hate the Pats since the tuck rule game.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: rsd
You're right OP. Next time some company is kicking its competition's ass, it should let it up and tell its shareholders..."No, we've made enough money. It wouldn't be fair to anyone else if we kept making more". Oh wait...they NEVER say that. That's right, because they're professionals just like the rest of the NFL.

People are acting like this is the first time a team scored 50+ points. Hell the Eagles did it a few weeks ago.

Don't worry, the big, bad Patriots are coming to a stadium near you to rape and pillage.

Apples and oranges comparison. Business is all about profit for shareholders and the corporate bottom line. There used to be a concept known as good sportsmanship and part of that was winning and losing graciously. Running up the score for no good reason is generally considered bad form. Even worse it has a way of coming back to bite you in the ass at some later date.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: rsd
You're right OP. Next time some company is kicking its competition's ass, it should let it up and tell its shareholders..."No, we've made enough money. It wouldn't be fair to anyone else if we kept making more". Oh wait...they NEVER say that. That's right, because they're professionals just like the rest of the NFL.

People are acting like this is the first time a team scored 50+ points. Hell the Eagles did it a few weeks ago.

Don't worry, the big, bad Patriots are coming to a stadium near you to rape and pillage.

Apples and oranges comparison. Business is all about profit for shareholders and the corporate bottom line. There used to be a concept known as good sportsmanship and part of that was winning and losing graciously. Running up the score for no good reason is generally considered bad form. Even worse it has a way of coming back to bite you in the ass at some later date.

Good sportsmanship is dead, unfortunately. Look at all the people condoning the cheating.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: rsd
You're right OP. Next time some company is kicking its competition's ass, it should let it up and tell its shareholders..."No, we've made enough money. It wouldn't be fair to anyone else if we kept making more". Oh wait...they NEVER say that. That's right, because they're professionals just like the rest of the NFL.

People are acting like this is the first time a team scored 50+ points. Hell the Eagles did it a few weeks ago.

Don't worry, the big, bad Patriots are coming to a stadium near you to rape and pillage.

Apples and oranges comparison. Business is all about profit for shareholders and the corporate bottom line. There used to be a concept known as good sportsmanship and part of that was winning and losing graciously. Running up the score for no good reason is generally considered bad form. Even worse it has a way of coming back to bite you in the ass at some later date.

Good sportsmanship is dead, unfortunately. Look at all the people condoning the cheating.

and the people that are so blinded by hatred they can't see the facts.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: rsd
You're right OP. Next time some company is kicking its competition's ass, it should let it up and tell its shareholders..."No, we've made enough money. It wouldn't be fair to anyone else if we kept making more". Oh wait...they NEVER say that. That's right, because they're professionals just like the rest of the NFL.

People are acting like this is the first time a team scored 50+ points. Hell the Eagles did it a few weeks ago.

Don't worry, the big, bad Patriots are coming to a stadium near you to rape and pillage.

Apples and oranges comparison. Business is all about profit for shareholders and the corporate bottom line. There used to be a concept known as good sportsmanship and part of that was winning and losing graciously. Running up the score for no good reason is generally considered bad form. Even worse it has a way of coming back to bite you in the ass at some later date.

Good sportsmanship is dead, unfortunately. Look at all the people condoning the cheating.

This crap has been going on as long as the sports have been going on. It's only been more public b/c of cry babies like Eric Mangina.

 

[rsd]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: rsd
You're right OP. Next time some company is kicking its competition's ass, it should let it up and tell its shareholders..."No, we've made enough money. It wouldn't be fair to anyone else if we kept making more". Oh wait...they NEVER say that. That's right, because they're professionals just like the rest of the NFL.

People are acting like this is the first time a team scored 50+ points. Hell the Eagles did it a few weeks ago.

Don't worry, the big, bad Patriots are coming to a stadium near you to rape and pillage.

Apples and oranges comparison. Business is all about profit for shareholders and the corporate bottom line. There used to be a concept known as good sportsmanship and part of that was winning and losing graciously. Running up the score for no good reason is generally considered bad form. Even worse it has a way of coming back to bite you in the ass at some later date.

BS.

So they should have kicked a FG at that point? That's worse. Just to say you're up by 41 instead of 38? At the least you're giving the other team a chance to stop you if you go for it. The fact that Washington couldn't is there problem.

I also see no one mentioning WS continuing to play and scoring, then going for an onside kick. Why didn't they lay down, as they should have according to some of the "expert knowledge" being displayed here?

Again why aren't people complaining when other teams score 50+? It's not like its the first time its been done.

Jealousy is a bitch, just like many sore losers of the teams the Patriots are beating.