What Spec said - get the Dot put on a flattop - mounting it on the handle just makes me CRINGE!
I enjoy my Stag Arms AR15... it's good, good stuff.
I enjoy my Stag Arms AR15... it's good, good stuff.
Specop 007
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Originally posted by: jamesbond007
Specop 007,
I like the look of the A2 handle and don't mind the red dot way up on top. I got it all sighted up today and it's ridiculously accurate. Assuming you're a steady shot, you can shoot quarter-tight groups all day long wherever you put the dot.
I've been thinking about getting a scope with a little magnification. The 3x would be a great little addition, but I'm not sure I want to go ACOG yet. I do plan to use this for deer in the fall, so a little extra reach would be nice. The great thing about having both the iron sights and the scope is if a deer jumps up close in front of you, you can react and aim with the iron sights much faster than you ever could with a scope. Obviously the scope will be great for those longer shots down the shelter belts.
Next up will either be a Benelli M4 shotgun or the .50 Desert Eagle. Eventually, I'll have both, but I need to think about which I'd use more often...or enjoy more!Most likely, it'll be the Benelli.
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I recommend and EOTech with a 3x magnifier.
I've been happy with SWFA and bought a used EOTech off the Sample List.
Combine that with a Aimpoint 3x magnifier and you have a bit of magnification when needed. I cant link to one due to our work firewalll though. Anyways, the Aimpoint 3x is WAY WAY fucking too expensive for what it is. You can buy a Chinese knockoff for around 60 or 70 bucks off Ebay. Grab that, get a flip to the side mount (The mount, for a good one, will cost more then the Chicom 3x) and your SET. Use the normal EOTech and flip the mag over when you need a bit of extra help seeing something.
You could also go with a quick detach mount on the 3x mag as well. The UAG mags have gotten good reviews.
As for mounting the red dot to the handle you can but it makes it unpossible to use a cheek weld, gotta go with a chin weld at that point. I also prefer my optics as close to the bore as possible.
Course, you could also put in the paperwork to get a supressor for it as well. Or, go the route I'm going and stick a MUM or PVS-14 on the rail.
But, that gets retardedly expensive very fast. You know what they say, the difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Show up us '14 users and put a Raptor on it.
A Raptor on a 300 Whisper upper with a suppressor. Holy hell, thats vampire swift death to all unsuspecting wildlife.
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Put a thousand rounds through it before you do anything else. That should give you a good idea of what kind of crap you want bolt on later.
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Originally posted by: DainBramaged
GET THAT ELBOW IN!
Hahaha! Can anyone tell me the correct stance then? My roommate just told me to stand still, but I do notice that when I pick it up and aim, I do get the chicken wing look to my form. How do SWAT and tactical shooters stand?
upscillion, I can tell you that I would really like something to give me a little magnification. Like the guys above were saying, a 3x should suffice since I'll still have my iron sights. As for removing the A2 upper, we'll have to see about that.
I'm not a massive guy by any means, but I am somewhat stalky and my hands don't really fit inside the A2 handle.JLee, I am very set on ordering two of those Magpul Pmags with windows later today. Thank you for your recommendation and your gun looks nice. However, is that rust near the rear release pin? It looks red there...
Specop 007, I'll have to read up more on the EOTech stuff and the literature you are describing. It's a little over my head at this point, but does sound like a great (and cheaper) solution at what I'm looking for. I must ask - I have read about some AR-15 owners complaining that the recoil from the gun messes with their varmint/old school scopes. I may have misinterpreted the information, though. I'm not really looking for a supressor right now, but I did check them out. They are a spendy add-on and I don't think the deer will mind too much about my gun if they're already in my sights.
adairusmc, the deagle has been attractive to me since I've played CS in the past and seen it in the movies.
You got me, I think it's pretty sexy and I love the power behind it, but you are correct in the fact that it does seem pretty impractical. I'd really like to own one someday or at least shoot a .50 cal. I didn't shoot the one yesterday at the range because I want myself to be a virgin Deagle shooter until I get a hold of a real .50, not the .44. Realistically, I wouldn't mind a HK USP or perhaps a Beretta.If you buy too much shit for your gun, you won't have money left over for ammo. And that's on the same level as drowning a puppy. Don't do it.
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Well, first things first. I need to buy a cleaning kit! I forgot to pick one up when I bought the gun. The manual doesn't seem to make too much sense to me. Maybe it's either poorly written or I just suck.
I am working on learning how to field strip the gun, but I don't want to pull it all apart and not figure out how to get it back together!A buddy of mine at work has been in the army for several years and said he'd help me out this upcoming weekend. However, I'd like to clean it if possible. We only did 200 rounds through it yesterday, but I'd like to check it all out to make sure everything is OK. Quite a few of my friends want to buy a bunch of ammo and unload it during the week at the range, but I'm thinking I'll hold off on that until I get the gun apart to clean it and make sure it's in good working order.
I'd like to be really fast at taking the gun apart and know it inside and out. My military friend says they took apart their guns everyday for a year!
Specop 007
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Originally posted by: jamesbond007
Hahaha! Can anyone tell me the correct stance then? My roommate just told me to stand still, but I do notice that when I pick it up and aim, I do get the chicken wing look to my form. How do SWAT and tactical shooters stand?
upscillion, I can tell you that I would really like something to give me a little magnification. Like the guys above were saying, a 3x should suffice since I'll still have my iron sights. As for removing the A2 upper, we'll have to see about that.
JLee, I am very set on ordering two of those Magpul Pmags with windows later today. Thank you for your recommendation and your gun looks nice. However, is that rust near the rear release pin? It looks red there...
Specop 007, I'll have to read up more on the EOTech stuff and the literature you are describing. It's a little over my head at this point, but does sound like a great (and cheaper) solution at what I'm looking for. I must ask - I have read about some AR-15 owners complaining that the recoil from the gun messes with their varmint/old school scopes. I may have misinterpreted the information, though. I'm not really looking for a supressor right now, but I did check them out. They are a spendy add-on and I don't think the deer will mind too much about my gun if they're already in my sights.
adairusmc, the deagle has been attractive to me since I've played CS in the past and seen it in the movies.
Your stance is fine, people just like to bust your balls. Again, whicken wing provides better accuracy at the expense of a bigger target. Since (hopefully!) the deer arent shooting back....Chicken wing away!
As for the EOTech, its a holographic sight. Made for fast target aquisition in close quarter combat. Look out a window. Now, draw a small circle on it and put a dot in the middle. Voila. You made an EOTech.
Ok, a bit more to it but you get the idea. Magnification makes close quarter combat a bitch, the EOtech gets around that. Downside is...No magnification. Queue our little 3x Magnifier. A great addition. Put it on a flip mount and you can literally flip it in and out of the way as needed.
The recoil on the AR platform shouldnt affect anyone regardless of scope, nor should it affect any scopes unless the scope itself was faulty.
As for deer, check your state laws and it may not be leagl to hunt deer with a .223, I know in Nebraksa .243 is minimum caliber for deer. You might be buying yourself a new upper......
adairusmc
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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: jamesbond007
Hahaha! Can anyone tell me the correct stance then? My roommate just told me to stand still, but I do notice that when I pick it up and aim, I do get the chicken wing look to my form. How do SWAT and tactical shooters stand?
upscillion, I can tell you that I would really like something to give me a little magnification. Like the guys above were saying, a 3x should suffice since I'll still have my iron sights. As for removing the A2 upper, we'll have to see about that.
JLee, I am very set on ordering two of those Magpul Pmags with windows later today. Thank you for your recommendation and your gun looks nice. However, is that rust near the rear release pin? It looks red there...
Specop 007, I'll have to read up more on the EOTech stuff and the literature you are describing. It's a little over my head at this point, but does sound like a great (and cheaper) solution at what I'm looking for. I must ask - I have read about some AR-15 owners complaining that the recoil from the gun messes with their varmint/old school scopes. I may have misinterpreted the information, though. I'm not really looking for a supressor right now, but I did check them out. They are a spendy add-on and I don't think the deer will mind too much about my gun if they're already in my sights.
adairusmc, the deagle has been attractive to me since I've played CS in the past and seen it in the movies.
Your stance is fine, people just like to bust your balls. Again, whicken wing provides better accuracy at the expense of a bigger target. Since (hopefully!) the deer arent shooting back....Chicken wing away!
As for the EOTech, its a holographic sight. Made for fast target aquisition in close quarter combat. Look out a window. Now, draw a small circle on it and put a dot in the middle. Voila. You made an EOTech.
Ok, a bit more to it but you get the idea. Magnification makes close quarter combat a bitch, the EOtech gets around that. Downside is...No magnification. Queue our little 3x Magnifier. A great addition. Put it on a flip mount and you can literally flip it in and out of the way as needed.
The recoil on the AR platform shouldnt affect anyone regardless of scope, nor should it affect any scopes unless the scope itself was faulty.
As for deer, check your state laws and it may not be leagl to hunt deer with a .223, I know in Nebraksa .243 is minimum caliber for deer. You might be buying yourself a new upper......
Good info.
I myself am torn between real aimpoints with larue mounts or eotechs. I have an eotech on my recently acquired S&W M&P15 AR, and I love it. Cant beat the 50,000 hours of battery life of my aimpoint though.
It is legal to hunt deer in Oregon with .223, and I do. I have taken a deer with .223 once, I was using winchester power point plus rounds and the muley went down as fast as if I had shot him with the .25-06. Have to look into the laws of the particular state.
1) The desert eagle is a piece of shit
2) Anyone who calls it a deagle has clearly learned too much about guns from playing counterstrike. I'll let you in on a little secret. If you shoot yourself in the head 5 times with a glock, it will probably kill you.
3) Nice gun.
2) Anyone who calls it a deagle has clearly learned too much about guns from playing counterstrike. I'll let you in on a little secret. If you shoot yourself in the head 5 times with a glock, it will probably kill you.
3) Nice gun.
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I had already checked and it is legal in my state to use a .223 on deer, so I'm ok. I guess it is semi-automatic anyways, so I can just make swiss cheese if I have to! J/K. I'm all about the one-shot = one kill type aim. I don't like to see the animals suffer, so I try to make it as quick and painless as I can. My very first deer I ever shot required a second shot in the back of the head at close-range because the first shot only went through the lungs and front shoulder. It was still able to run about 100 yards before falling over, but it sat there looking around and I couldn't take it. What an experience...
What an experience...
Specop 007
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Originally posted by: jamesbond007
I had already checked and it is legal in my state to use a .223 on deer, so I'm ok. I guess it is semi-automatic anyways, so I can just make swiss cheese if I have to! J/K. I'm all about the one-shot = one kill type aim. I don't like to see the animals suffer, so I try to make it as quick and painless as I can. My very first deer I ever shot required a second shot in the back of the head at close-range because the first shot only went through the lungs and front shoulder. It was still able to run about 100 yards before falling over, but it sat there looking around and I couldn't take it.
I'm sure your aware, but dont forget to check mag capacity limits. The game warden may frown on 30 rounds of soft points.
Originally posted by: jamesbond007
Originally posted by: DainBramaged
GET THAT ELBOW IN!
Hahaha! Can anyone tell me the correct stance then? My roommate just told me to stand still, but I do notice that when I pick it up and aim, I do get the chicken wing look to my form. How do SWAT and tactical shooters stand?
upscillion, I can tell you that I would really like something to give me a little magnification. Like the guys above were saying, a 3x should suffice since I'll still have my iron sights. As for removing the A2 upper, we'll have to see about that.
JLee, I am very set on ordering two of those Magpul Pmags with windows later today. Thank you for your recommendation and your gun looks nice. However, is that rust near the rear release pin? It looks red there...
Specop 007, I'll have to read up more on the EOTech stuff and the literature you are describing. It's a little over my head at this point, but does sound like a great (and cheaper) solution at what I'm looking for. I must ask - I have read about some AR-15 owners complaining that the recoil from the gun messes with their varmint/old school scopes. I may have misinterpreted the information, though. I'm not really looking for a supressor right now, but I did check them out. They are a spendy add-on and I don't think the deer will mind too much about my gun if they're already in my sights.
adairusmc, the deagle has been attractive to me since I've played CS in the past and seen it in the movies.
you are what, 20ish? please don't be a name brand whore (too late), get what feels right in your hand when it comes to pistols. For me, that was the Springfield xd-9. For my brother (Army Infantry) it was the Glock 23. For others it Sig, etc. There are about 6 brands you can't go wrong with quality wise, find what fits you.
you don't need a .50. There is no reason to get a .50. It is a waste of money. You can get 2 high quality guns for the amount of a deagle.
I seriously can't believe you want an m4 and deagle because of CS. Check that: I believe it, because I felt the same way until I actually thought about it and realized it was a horrible stupid idea.
Josh123
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Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: jamesbond007
Originally posted by: DainBramaged
GET THAT ELBOW IN!
Hahaha! Can anyone tell me the correct stance then? My roommate just told me to stand still, but I do notice that when I pick it up and aim, I do get the chicken wing look to my form. How do SWAT and tactical shooters stand?
upscillion, I can tell you that I would really like something to give me a little magnification. Like the guys above were saying, a 3x should suffice since I'll still have my iron sights. As for removing the A2 upper, we'll have to see about that.
JLee, I am very set on ordering two of those Magpul Pmags with windows later today. Thank you for your recommendation and your gun looks nice. However, is that rust near the rear release pin? It looks red there...
Specop 007, I'll have to read up more on the EOTech stuff and the literature you are describing. It's a little over my head at this point, but does sound like a great (and cheaper) solution at what I'm looking for. I must ask - I have read about some AR-15 owners complaining that the recoil from the gun messes with their varmint/old school scopes. I may have misinterpreted the information, though. I'm not really looking for a supressor right now, but I did check them out. They are a spendy add-on and I don't think the deer will mind too much about my gun if they're already in my sights.
adairusmc, the deagle has been attractive to me since I've played CS in the past and seen it in the movies.
you are what, 20ish? please don't be a name brand whore (too late), get what feels right in your hand when it comes to pistols. For me, that was the Springfield xd-9. For my brother (Army Infantry) it was the Glock 23. For others it Sig, etc. There are about 6 brands you can't go wrong with quality wise, find what fits you.
you don't need a .50. There is no reason to get a .50. It is a waste of money. You can get 2 high quality guns for the amount of a deagle.
I seriously can't believe you want an m4 and deagle because of CS. Check that: I believe it, because I felt the same way until I actually thought about it and realized it was a horrible stupid idea.
HKs are good guns, and I've been wanting one for a good while. If you're really wanting the one shot one kill then why not go with a good bolt action rifle?
Specop 007
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Betchya my AR will print as well as any bolt gun you want to shoot out to 300 or so. Most likely farther, but I havent the skill to try and ballistically the little .223 bullets get trumped, badly, by most larger calibers for long range shooting.
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