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YAGunT: what to buy

Mookow

Lifer
Well, my birthday is approaching, and I've got some money to burn. I had been planning to get myself a CC permit and, most likely, a Glock 30. However, the AWB sunset is approaching, and I'd like a nice, accurate AR with cheap mags. So I thought I'd listen to the opinions of various ATOTers. I would make a poll, but then it'd be skewed by people who dont know jack ("ARs are not accurate and are only good for close range, slow moving targets!" comes to mind) but voted anyway. So, without further preamble:

Option 1: My original plan. Ohio recently passed a "shall issue" CC law. It has some issues, and I couldnt carry it onto the premises of my current job, as it is one of the areas prohibited by the CC law (state university). The CC permit application fee is $45. The classes required to get your CC are anywhere from $149 and up. The place I would probably be taking them at is charging $200. For my pistol I've tentatively decided on the Glock 30. 45ACP, 10 round magazine, and fairly compact. I've fired one before, it worked out well. I'd like a slightly bigger (physically) handgun, but this is for CC, and I'm not sure how feasible it would be to conceal a full sized Glock. I can get it for about $500 new (I know the dealer that I'd be buying from well enough to get a discount). So, after all is said and done, and including several trips to the range to get acquainted with my new purchase, this will be about $950. The reason I'm not entirely sold on this is while I do plan on eventually getting a 45 ACP pistol, for the next two years or so the CC aspect wont be too useful. I could always save up for this and wait.

Option 2: Build up an AR-15, with emphasis on accuracy. I'm planning on a match grade barrel, a better trigger group, N.M. sights, etc. I'll probably go with 5.56mm unless I can find equivalent parts without spending much more. In other words, I'd like something in 7.62 NATO, however I am not sure how much of a premium it would cost me to get the same accuracy, plus there is the fact that .308 ammo costs more than 5.56mm. I'll probably join the AR-15 forums and ask for recommendations before going this route. One way or another, I want sub MOA out of this (when firing match ammo or good handloads). I'd like to stay at about the same price point as Option 1, but I'd be willing to go up to $1100. Obviously I havent yet done all my homework on this one, but I had not thought about it until recently, so I'm still working the kinks out. This would mainly be used for target shooting, varminting, with some actual hunting. I could use it for more hunting if I got it in 7.62mm, however then it would be more expensive to use as a target rifle. Upside is that it looks like after Sept 13th, I'll be able to order one of these in any configuration I want (except for the SBR restrictions, but I dont want an SBR anyway) and buy high capacity magazines for cheap. I'm thinking about getting a bayonet lug just to piss Diane Feinstein off 😉😛.

PS: This is a gun thread. If you dont like guns, that is fine. I'm not asking you to. However, the chances that you'll change my mind by ranting about how "evil" guns are is nil. So dont waste your time or mine. Instead, you may wish to join up with the MMM or HCI.
 
A friend of mine is a cop out in one of the villages up here, he purchased an Armalite AR-10 (7.62 NATO) and it very pleased with it. I was thinking about getting an AR-15 or an AR-10 from them as well. They're recommended by a Class 3 dealer I get a lot of stuff from.

If you decide to go with the Glock, get the Glock 29 instead of the Glock 30. 😀
 
for a carry pistol, my dad and grandfather both carry sig p239's and they are the most accurate little pistols i've ever shot. dad's is in 357sig and g-pa's is in .40 and i love them both. but if youre a glock man i can definately understand.

however, i personally would build up the sweet AR you're talking about. i love how much you can customize these guns. and they're just fun to shoot.

i guess the question is what do you really want to have more, a nice carry pistol, or a nice range gun?
 
Originally posted by: K1052
I would go with Option 2.

I might be biased though, as I have started to itch for an AR.

Thought you were going to start working on your Simonov collection again. 😉 Understandable about the AR itch though, especially with sunset so close. 😀
 
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
A friend of mine is a cop out in one of the villages up here, he purchased an Armalite AR-10 (7.62 NATO) and it very pleased with it. I was thinking about getting an AR-15 or an AR-10 from them as well. They're recommended by a Class 3 dealer I get a lot of stuff from.

If you decide to go with the Glock, get the Glock 29 instead of the Glock 30. 😀

I like the ballistics sheet on the 10mm. I do not like the price tag, and it isnt always available. You can walk into any store that stocks pistol ammo and buy 45 ACP or 9mm, in practically any loading you want. You cannot always get 10mm, and when you can your choices are limited. I've got the wrists to handle the 10mm, but not the pocketbook. 🙁

What kind of groupings is he getting with his AR-10?
 
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Originally posted by: K1052
I would go with Option 2.

I might be biased though, as I have started to itch for an AR.

Thought you were going to start working on your Simonov collection again. 😉 Understandable about the AR itch though, especially with sunset so close. 😀

That is in the plan as well. I hear there are Yugo M59s w/o the launcher coming very soon that I will have to get , a Galil kit and receiver awaiting a September build, just picked up a Tula M44 (this makes about 12 Mosins total), and have ordered a Chilean Mauser in 7.62 Nato.

Aaarrrgggg, somebody stop me!!!
 
Everyone has an AR... but there is a reason for it. They are extremely good rifles.

I would go with a rifle. The concealed carry law is very restrictive. You must have the gun out in plain sight, even when it is on your body... meaning that you must have it in a holster.

The only place in your car that it is legal, is in the trunk, or in a lock box, separated from the ammo.

The concealed carry law (Ohio's) is basically good press and nothing else. You will just get yourself into trouble carrying one.

Go with the AR... but don't be under the impression that a target match barrel will do much for accuracy.
 
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
If you decide to go with the Glock, get the Glock 29 instead of the Glock 30. 😀

Excellent advice. I carry one everyday. Hardly even know it's there. I would trust a 10mm over a .45 anyday for a one shot stop.
 
Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
A friend of mine is a cop out in one of the villages up here, he purchased an Armalite AR-10 (7.62 NATO) and it very pleased with it. I was thinking about getting an AR-15 or an AR-10 from them as well. They're recommended by a Class 3 dealer I get a lot of stuff from.

If you decide to go with the Glock, get the Glock 29 instead of the Glock 30. 😀

I like the ballistics sheet on the 10mm. I do not like the price tag, and it isnt always available. You can walk into any store that stocks pistol ammo and buy 45 ACP or 9mm, in practically any loading you want. You cannot always get 10mm, and when you can your choices are limited. I've got the wrists to handle the 10mm, but not the pocketbook. 🙁

What kind of groupings is he getting with his AR-10?

I will send him a PM or an e-mail sometime this week and find out.
 
Cool... I just decided to obtain my own rifle.. except I wont be building ar15.. I saw it while shopping.. Ill prob end up with a Remington 700 series..

If you do build your own AR15, can you let me know how it goes.. I might be interested in building my own too.. thanks..
 
Originally posted by: Carbonadium4
Cool... I just decided to obtain my own rifle.. except I wont be building ar15.. I saw it while shopping.. Ill prob end up with a Remington 700 series..

If you do build your own AR15, can you let me know how it goes.. I might be interested in building my own too.. thanks..

:thumbsup: Can do.
 
Not to burst your bubble, but you aren't going to find a sub 1 MOA .308 that's an AR for under $1100. You will barely be pushing sub 2 MOA at that price range for an AR10.

Unless you are dead set on building, you could just buy a Rock River DCM rifle for $900 or so and have one of the nicest shooting ARs out of the box.
 
Originally posted by: Carbonadium4
Cool... I just decided to obtain my own rifle.. except I wont be building ar15.. I saw it while shopping.. Ill prob end up with a Remington 700 series..

If you do build your own AR15, can you let me know how it goes.. I might be interested in building my own too.. thanks..

You can build a sweet rifle using those as a base. I think they still use those for building the rifles most of our military snipers use.

I think it was THESE GUYS that did some nice custom builds on a Remington 700 base that were featured in some of my magazines a few years ago. Made me want to build one myself.
 
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Not to burst your bubble, but you aren't going to find a sub 1 MOA .308 that's an AR for under $1100. You will barely be pushing sub 2 MOA at that price range for an AR10.

:brokenheart: I figured that comparable parts would be more expensive for 7.62 ARs. Just curious, but about how much would I need to spend to get a AR10 that fired 1MOA or less?

Unless you are dead set on building, you could just buy a Rock River DCM rifle for $900 or so and have one of the nicest shooting ARs out of the box.

I'm not dead set on building. I'll have to look into your suggestion. However, since I'm at work and dont want my internet usage to come under too much observation, can you give me a brief run down on the specs for the RRA DCM?
 
Wilson 20" 1:8 twist stainless

1/4x1/4 min adjustments

.30 hooded aperature


national match 2 stage trigger, nm handguards, etc.

Has a weighted A2 stock as well

On the lower side of 3/4 MOA. Some folks claim 1/2...
 
And there are folks who say their AR10 shoots sub MOA out of the box. But for guranteed sub moa, you'd be looking at 1500 or so, which ain't so bad really. MSRP on Armalites starts around 17-1800 that fall in there.

Only problem is a .308 AR isn't GI, so the mags are expensive. Talking $65+ a pop. Prices would be expected to drop after Sept though...

Take a look at Armalites site when you are able to. They have a ton of AR10 models that do sub MOA.
 
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
And there are folks who say their AR10 shoots sub MOA out of the box. But for guranteed sub moa, you'd be looking at 1500 or so, which ain't so bad really. MSRP on Armalites starts around 17-1800 that fall in there.

Only problem is a .308 AR isn't GI, so the mags are expensive. Talking $65+ a pop. Prices would be expected to drop after Sept though...

Take a look at Armalites site when you are able to. They have a ton of AR10 models that do sub MOA.

Bushmaster has the BAR10 that takes FAL mags, 20 rounders for $3-$5.
 
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Originally posted by: K1052
I would go with Option 2.

I might be biased though, as I have started to itch for an AR.

Thought you were going to start working on your Simonov collection again. 😉 Understandable about the AR itch though, especially with sunset so close. 😀

That is in the plan as well. I hear there are Yugo M59s w/o the launcher coming very soon that I will have to get , a Galil kit and receiver awaiting a September build, just picked up a Tula M44 (this makes about 12 Mosins total), and have ordered a Chilean Mauser in 7.62 Nato.

Aaarrrgggg, somebody stop me!!!

M44 is a nice carabine. I wonder how much my never fired/mint Russian built SKS would go for nowdays.
 
Originally posted by: AnyMal
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Originally posted by: K1052
I would go with Option 2.

I might be biased though, as I have started to itch for an AR.

Thought you were going to start working on your Simonov collection again. 😉 Understandable about the AR itch though, especially with sunset so close. 😀

That is in the plan as well. I hear there are Yugo M59s w/o the launcher coming very soon that I will have to get , a Galil kit and receiver awaiting a September build, just picked up a Tula M44 (this makes about 12 Mosins total), and have ordered a Chilean Mauser in 7.62 Nato.

Aaarrrgggg, somebody stop me!!!

M44 is a nice carabine. I wonder how much my never fired/mint Russian built SKS would go for nowdays.

The Russians seem to be going for $250+ in excellent condition.
 
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
And there are folks who say their AR10 shoots sub MOA out of the box. But for guranteed sub moa, you'd be looking at 1500 or so, which ain't so bad really. MSRP on Armalites starts around 17-1800 that fall in there.

Only problem is a .308 AR isn't GI, so the mags are expensive. Talking $65+ a pop. Prices would be expected to drop after Sept though...

Take a look at Armalites site when you are able to. They have a ton of AR10 models that do sub MOA.

Bushmaster has the BAR10 that takes FAL mags, 20 rounders for $3-$5.

True. About the same entry price as the AR10s. Does MOA as well.

IMO they are butt fugly 🙂, but to each his own. A lot of interchangeable AR15 parts as well.

You could always just get a standard AR15 lower, and put on a custom upper of whatever caliber you want. They have .50 Beowulf and .50AE uppers if you are so inclined. Of course takes mag well modifications sometimes, and there is the safety issue as the lowers were never designed for anything but .223...
 
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
And there are folks who say their AR10 shoots sub MOA out of the box. But for guranteed sub moa, you'd be looking at 1500 or so, which ain't so bad really. MSRP on Armalites starts around 17-1800 that fall in there.

Only problem is a .308 AR isn't GI, so the mags are expensive. Talking $65+ a pop. Prices would be expected to drop after Sept though...

Take a look at Armalites site when you are able to. They have a ton of AR10 models that do sub MOA.

Bushmaster has the BAR10 that takes FAL mags, 20 rounders for $3-$5.

True. About the same entry price as the AR10s. Does MOA as well.

IMO they are butt fugly 🙂, but to each his own. A lot of interchangeable AR15 parts as well.

You could always just get a standard AR15 lower, and put on a custom upper of whatever caliber you want. They have .50 Beowulf and .50AE uppers if you are so inclined. Of course takes mag well modifications sometimes, and there is the safety issue as the lowers were never designed for anything but .223...

Cut that damn sh!tty looking brake off and you are good to go. WTH was Bushmaster smoking when they decided to put that on? Why not just install a barrel with an intergated MiCulek brake?
 
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
And there are folks who say their AR10 shoots sub MOA out of the box. But for guranteed sub moa, you'd be looking at 1500 or so, which ain't so bad really. MSRP on Armalites starts around 17-1800 that fall in there.

Only problem is a .308 AR isn't GI, so the mags are expensive. Talking $65+ a pop. Prices would be expected to drop after Sept though...

Take a look at Armalites site when you are able to. They have a ton of AR10 models that do sub MOA.

Bushmaster has the BAR10 that takes FAL mags, 20 rounders for $3-$5.

True. About the same entry price as the AR10s. Does MOA as well.

IMO they are butt fugly 🙂, but to each his own. A lot of interchangeable AR15 parts as well.

You could always just get a standard AR15 lower, and put on a custom upper of whatever caliber you want. They have .50 Beowulf and .50AE uppers if you are so inclined. Of course takes mag well modifications sometimes, and there is the safety issue as the lowers were never designed for anything but .223...

Cut that damn sh!tty looking brake off and you are good to go. WTH was Bushmaster smoking when they decided to put that on? Why not just install a barrel with an intergated MiCulek brake?

No joke, that's really what does it for me.

AK style brake on an AR 😕
 
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
You could always just get a standard AR15 lower, and put on a custom upper of whatever caliber you want. They have .50 Beowulf and .50AE uppers if you are so inclined. Of course takes mag well modifications sometimes, and there is the safety issue as the lowers were never designed for anything but .223...

True. In terms of non-5.56mm uppers, what are the most common calibers? I'm more interested in rifle calibers (maybe 6.8 SPC if the US armed forces ever move to that).

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Wilson 20" 1:8 twist stainless

1/4x1/4 min adjustments

.30 hooded aperature

national match 2 stage trigger, nm handguards, etc.

Has a weighted A2 stock as well

On the lower side of 3/4 MOA. Some folks claim 1/2...

Ahhh, but now comes the real question: can I get it with a bayonet lug? I mean, that just makes it twice as lethal 😛.

Anyway, that sounds like pretty much what I want, but I have a couple questions. Is the barrel chrome lined or not? How about the chamber? It has a free float tube, correct?
 
I wouldn't recommend carrying unless you are very familiar with your sidearm. Buy it, shoot it often, become familiar with it and then you can carry it.
 
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