YAGunT: .223 assault rifle $480 with TWO 40rd mags. What's the catch?

[JEDI]

C-93 HK-93 style .223 Semi Auto Rifle

MUCH LIKE ITS FAMOUS COUSIN THE .308 CALIBER CETME RIFLE, THE C-93 IS THE SPANISH VARIATION OF THE RENOWNED HK-93 .223 CALIBER MILITARY RIFLE. THESE ARE SUPER NICE. EACH SEMI-AUTO RIFLE COMES COMPLETE WITH 2- 40 RD MAGS, BAYONET AND SCABBARD.


So how does this compare with an AR-15?

 

[Newbian]

Stop using weapons like this for hunting unless you are hunting the most dangerous pray on earth... 😛

 

[AlienCraft]

"Do you have zee papers? You need to have zee papers." </evileasterneuropeanagent >

Really, got to have import documents to show some jack-booted thug.

 

[AlienCraft]

Stop using weapons like this for hunting unless you are hunting the most dangerous pray on earth... 😛

That's the wrong kind of prey. :ninja:

 

[pontifex]

Jedi,
Why do you continually ask about various kinds of guns and a) never buy anything and b) never respond to the replies people provide?

 

[Ronstang]

Stop using weapons like this for hunting unless you are hunting the most dangerous pray on earth... 😛

Why? I have an FN-FAL Para that has a match barrel. I can consistently shoot six inch discs at 300 yards with no scope, off hand. It would be foolish not to use such a gun for hunting.

Back to the op, it is Spanish. Do they make quality anything? I would do some research on gun forums before spending my money. If the reviews by the hardcore are good it may just be a great buy.

 

[IGemini]

It's basically an MP5 in rifle form. What this has:

Older action type - the delayed blowback dates from WWII. Most AR-15s use direct impingement that has less recoil, but the HK93 will go longer without cleaning before it'll start to affect function.
Wider rifling twist - HK43s have 1:12 twist, whereas AR-15s have up to 1:7. Tighter twists generally make the round more stable at longer ranges until impact.
Weight - The HK93 is heavier than the average AR by a couple pounds.
Magazines - Proprietary, i.e. no STANAG magazines.

That's really nutshelling it. Century basically makes copies though their quality seems to be hit or miss. I would not touch a WASR from them with a ten-foot pole.

 

[coxmaster]

Why? I have an FN-FAL Para that has a match barrel. I can consistently shoot six inch discs at 300 yards with no scope, off hand. It would be foolish not to use such a gun for hunting.

Back to the op, it is Spanish. Do they make quality anything? I would do some research on gun forums before spending my money. If the reviews by the hardcore are good it may just be a great buy.

The fact that it is spanish isn't necessarily a big deal in this case. More importantly, it is imported and assembled by Century. Century has less than consistent quality control, so beware.

 

[marvdmartian]

Doesn't matter if it's good or not, the AR-15 snobs in here will tell you it's trash. 🙄

 

[JEDI]

It's basically an MP5 in rifle form. What this has:

Older action type - the delayed blowback dates from WWII. Most AR-15s use direct impingement that has less recoil, but the HK93 will go longer without cleaning before it'll start to affect function.
Wider rifling twist - HK43s have 1:12 twist, whereas AR-15s have up to 1:7. Tighter twists generally make the round more stable at longer ranges until impact.
Weight - The HK93 is heavier than the average AR by a couple pounds.
Magazines - Proprietary, i.e. no STANAG magazines.

That's really nutshelling it. Century basically makes copies though their quality seems to be hit or miss. I would not touch a WASR from them with a ten-foot pole.

per pontifex post police:

THX!

 

[olds]

Jedi,
Why do you continually ask about various kinds of guns and a) never buy anything and b) never respond to the replies people provide?

Good question. Because he's a troll?

 

[OverVolt]

Get a Ruger Mini-14

 

[BladeVenom]

Just get yourself an M1A.

 

[kage69]

Get a Ruger Mini-14

This. It's the functional equivalent, and comes with a lifetime warranty. Mags are easy to find and there are lots of add-on options already on the market.


Looks like an interesting rifle, I'd love to shoot one.



Ronstang: Yes, they do. Food!

 

[edro]

Just get yourself an M1A.

More than double the cost.

 

[MixMasterTang]

Why? I have an FN-FAL Para that has a match barrel. I can consistently shoot six inch discs at 300 yards with no scope, off hand. It would be foolish not to use such a gun for hunting.

Back to the op, it is Spanish. Do they make quality anything? I would do some research on gun forums before spending my money. If the reviews by the hardcore are good it may just be a great buy.

300 feet or 300 yards? I don't think I could even see a 6 inch target at 300 yards.

 

[Farmer]

You call this an "assault rifle". What do you plan on assaulting with this? Your refrigerator?

 

[irishScott]

More than double the cost.

and .308. OP is apparently looking for a .223/5.56

 

[irishScott]

300 feet or 300 yards? I don't think I could even see a 6 inch target at 300 yards.

Mark it with a flag? But yeah a 6" target at 300 yards with irons would be ridiculous, even from the bench. I'd need video confirmation to believe it. Now a 6" group on a larger target I could believe.

 

[Specop 007]

If TB is involved with it, and I would imagine he is in some capacity, its going to be hit or miss. Considering its a Century product its already going to be hit or miss so...

Look, heres the deal with HK stuff. You have 2 options for the most part. The first is to hunt out "real deal" HK guns and they are fucking pricey. Real pricey. But, its true blue HK goodness.

The second option is a clone or otherwise assembled outside of HK facilities. They generally are of hit or miss quality and the HK snobs will be sure to correct you every time you dont refer to it as the clone it is. If you want a turn key firearm that runs I would avoid HK clones. If you dont mind getting a firearm that might have some blemishes in the finish, might have some issues operating or otherwise needs some minor work then go for it.

One thing to be aware of clones still us HK parts and HK parts are fuck all expensive. As in a bolt carrier and bolt in an AR...150 bucks or so. HK? 400. Mags for an AR? 10 bucks. HK? 70.

I have an MP5 clone. It had some problems. I was fortunate to only spend 50 bucks or so to get it mostly working and its a hell of a fun gun.

ETA:

My clone is an MP5 clone made by Coharie Arms/Bobcat/Special Weapons. All companies ran by one Todd Bailey who really doesnt have a good rep in the industry.

 

[Specop 007]

There is a 3rd option I forgot to mention. Thats to buy the parts kit and pay someone with a good reputation to assemble it for you. That price point tends to fall in between off the shelf clone and HK goodness.

 

[jpeyton]

The C93 is a good buy IF you get a good copy.

You can gamble on a new one online, but it's much less of a gamble if you find a new or used one locally so you can inspect it first.

 

[Specop 007]

The C93 is a good buy IF you get a good copy.

You can gamble on a new one online, but it's much less of a gamble if you find a new or used one locally so you can inspect it first.

Thats always the rub with the HK clones. Its a goddamn crap shoot what you really end up with. I dont even mind cosmetic blemishes. But there can be serious operational issues that you wont know about until you start running rounds through it. My buddy and I picked ours up damn near same day. He had some blemishes and his rear sight was loose. Needed a pin. Mine looked decent enough but had FTE issues something fierce. Needed to replace a few parts on that one. Dont even get my started on my shitty crown. When they cut the crown they didnt have the barrel centered so I have half a crown.

Frankly with all of the cool 223 rifles on the market I wouldnt recommend risking it. Now in my case I may pick one up but I dont mind tinkering with it to get it to run and I have a good idea what you can end up spending to get them in the state where they do run reliably.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

The issue the C-93 really has is Century builders would gring the bolt face to get headspace to be correct. That's the quick and easy way to make it "fit" IT however is the wrong way to do it as if you take to much off you'll have all kinds of nasty problems.

I personally wouldn't get this unless you really know what you are looking for. Get the S&W M&P Sporter AR-15 for $599 and be done with it.

BTW, it's not an assault rifle.

 

[Texashiker]

OP, if you want quality, don't buy a century arms product.

If you want a 223/5.56mm rifle, get an AR or a mini-14.

Why? I have an FN-FAL Para that has a match barrel. I can consistently shoot six inch discs at 300 yards with no scope, off hand. It would be foolish not to use such a gun for hunting.

Your post is useless without pics

My DS Arms FN/FAL averages about 1 - 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards, but I did get 2 shots in the same hole at 100 yards.