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YAGT: Will 12 gauge fletchet rounds penetrate Kevlar?

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: Shockwave
I assume you ned quite the gun to cut through the ceramic plates?
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Yeah. Mk.IV ceramic will stop a single .30-06AP round cold.

.50BMG will go through anything though. 😀

- M4H
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Yeah, the car, the engine block, out the back, through the body armor and across the hills too. If your on the dangerous end of the .50 BMG your in for bad bad news.
 
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: Shockwave
I assume you ned quite the gun to cut through the ceramic plates?
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The ceramic plates are rated to withstand one hit from a 308 AP. I havent seen anyone rate one for multiple hits, but I havent looked, either.
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:Q
A .308 AP round?! Good Lord, I'd have better luck just driving over the guy with my SUV.... 😕
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Actually, I just looked it up, I was wrong. It's rated to stop a 30-06 AP round, not a 308 AP. Singular, though, since the plate doesnt hold up well to the impact.
 
Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
aim for the head, go target practicing, cheap and effective
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Its apparent to me the only target you've engaged is a paper backed one while chattin with friends at the gun range.
 
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: Shockwave
I assume you ned quite the gun to cut through the ceramic plates?
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Yeah. Mk.IV ceramic will stop a single .30-06AP round cold.

.50BMG will go through anything though. 😀

- M4H
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.338 LAPUA is the new .50BMG
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The Lapua isn't even the hottest .338 round.

And neither have sh!t on the .50, less than half the energy.
 
Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
what about something like this
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg18-e.htm
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I think someone already mentioned the Five-Seven.
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I believe that round and pistol are, like the P90, only available to law enforcement in the United States.
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Well, yeah, the link even states that. I was just saying it was already mentioned.
 
Ah well, may be time to whip up some Shockwave Specials.
Yes, I have access to a well equipped machine shop. Wanna see a full steel bullet sabotted into say a 30-06? Might have to dig up some info on tungsten carbide. Should hold up as well as steel I *think*, but dont know if I'll have the tooling bits to work tungsten right off.
 
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: bradruth
Why would you want to penetrate Kevlar?
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I dunno. But if I ever DO need to, I wanna know I can.
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Name one instance where you think you may need to.
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The United States Government decides The Constitution is null and void and declares The Bill of Rights invalid.
That would be the part of the oath that says "..... from all enemies, foreign AND domestic."
At which point Civil war would be inevitable.
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Bingo! I was wondering if anyone was going to mention that. The right to bear arms was meant to protect the citizens from their own government. That was/is a big problem throughout the world.

 
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: Shockwave
I assume you ned quite the gun to cut through the ceramic plates?
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Yeah. Mk.IV ceramic will stop a single .30-06AP round cold.

.50BMG will go through anything though. 😀

- M4H
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.338 LAPUA is the new .50BMG
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The Lapua isn't even the hottest .338 round.

And neither have sh!t on the .50, less than half the energy.
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Wonderful. The .338 Lapua Magnum has been heavily adopted as the standard sniping cartidge in several military forces. It has twice the range of the .308 while the rifles only weigh slightly more than the .308 rifles, and significantly less than a .50BMG rifle. With the current negative publicity for the .50BMG being an "overkill," the .338 Lapua Mag rifles are replacing many .50BMG rifles. Hence, the .338 Lapua is the new .50BMG. Thank you.
 
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Ah well, may be time to whip up some Shockwave Specials.
Yes, I have access to a well equipped machine shop. Wanna see a full steel bullet sabotted into say a 30-06? Might have to dig up some info on tungsten carbide. Should hold up as well as steel I *think*, but dont know if I'll have the tooling bits to work tungsten right off.
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I don't know how to take this post....one you want us to recommend something and two you are saying you can make them.

But a 12g round like the SCMTR mentioned would be one that would work...the problem is WTF kind of carry is that going to be? Unless you like wearing a trenchcoat and not sitting anywhere you go......

Then you mention 3 guys with AK's, seriously, whether they have armor on or not and whether you even have your own AK with whatever it's going to take to hit them...that's going to be a losing battle.

1 on 1 you are going to want to go for head shots if you intend to kill up close, even a chest shot in armor should be enough at point blank to allow you to get out of there. You kill a perp with hot ammo you are in for a legal ride yourself.

What are you trying to protect anyway? Unless you are the type that carries a metal briefcase attached to your wrist it's usually best to hand over the wallet and have a plan to cancel all credit. If they are the type that is going to take you for a ride to liquidate your accounts that's a rarity.

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I'm suprised a forum full of techies hasnt went 1 directory level back on that link with the shotgun shells.....
While it suseful to an extent, I'm not looking to play Traveller.
 
Like it says, need a Kevlar buster that doesnt cost a fortunate and need a tripod or vehicle mount to use.
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Firstly you will never pass the exam to be a Police officer if you dont know the difference between a fortune and fortunate.
Why in the hell would you need or want a vehicle mount or tripod, A bipod maybe but not a tripod. I do not think you are the least bit qualified to even posess such ammo. I think that what you are asking about is for a drive by shooter that is tired of missing.

Bleep
 
Originally posted by: Bleep
Like it says, need a Kevlar buster that doesnt cost a fortunate and need a tripod or vehicle mount to use.
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Firstly you will never pass the exam to be a Police officer if you dont know the difference between a fortune and fortunate.
Why in the hell would you need or want a vehicle mount or tripod, A bipod maybe but not a tripod. I do not think you are the least bit qualified to even posess such ammo. I think that what you are asking about is for a drive by shooter that is tired of missing.

Bleep
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I have NO idea what your talking about. I dont WANT to be a Police officer. And I dont WANT a gun with a tripod or vehicle mount. I may not be spelling well tonight, but it seems your reading comprehension is abysmal.
 
alkemyst: i dont know the exact strength of steel, but i know tungsten carbine can withstand 125,000 psi before breaking (not sure what specific type of strength though). its like the 3rd strongest material on earth... diamond, boron carbide, then tungsten carbide. we need to put tungsten to use and make some KE weapons -- i.e. railguns 😛

see if you can get your hands on some spectra armor. stops bullets cold-- a single thread of spectra can hold 750 lbs. woven into a vest, it stops the physical bullet (too bad it doesnt eliminate all kinetic energy) so you'd need something to absorb the impact. just my 2 cents (unfortunately i have very limited knowledge on this stuff :-\
 
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Ok. What if I'm at the bank right? Makin my deposit. And 3 bank robbers come in with AK-47's and full body Kevlar. Now, I dont really wanna whip out the concealed carry shotty I have if I cant penetrate the body armor do I? I'd get cut down in a rain of AK fire.

Ok seriously though? I'm a gun enthusiast. Why does someone need a 3.5 gigahertz PC with a video card that does 8 bajillion frames per second? They dont. Just like I dont NEED AP rounds, but would like to have some. Also, I like to shoot at some old cars and farm equipment we have out back, so it'd be fun to cut through the metal with something.
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This is a little different, though. I don't know how many 3.5 gigahertz PCs that can kill Police Officers. :disgust:
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Seeing as how my Uncle was on the Phoenix Police Force, I think I might have just a TAD bit more respect for police officers then you. So shush.
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Well seeing as I'm going to BE a police officer, I think I have plenty of respect for them. My concern is that when I'm on the street wearing my vest and I have to worry if it's going to help if I encounter someone toting a firearm.
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1) I cant name 1 officer that routinely wears a vest in the line of duty. Which means thats rather a non issue. Maybe for raids and such yes. But not daily
2) Do you think your normal criminal is going to be asking how to get AP rounds? Do you think your normal criminal even THINKS about AP rounds?
3) Theres plenty of guns out there that'll shred right through your Kevlar without the need of AP rounds I'm sure. I think a Nitro Express would lay you dead no matter the type of Kevlar.
4) If you really wanna stop someone in Kevlar and dont have AP or using small caliber theres 3 ways....
a) Shoot them in the head
b) Shoot them in the groin. The pelvic cavity acts as a bowl and will ricochet the bullet up into the organs
c) Shoot the ground in front of them with a shotgun. The rounds will bounce, tear up bit of concrete on the way and nicely tenderize their legs.

So, do i sound like a criminal, or even someone who NEEDS AP bullets to stop a Kevlar laden person? I dont think so.
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1) Maybe not where you live, but every member of CPD in Chicago I've seen on the street wears a vest. However, it's a different story up here as firearms are illegal, but anyway...
 
Originally posted by: Bleep
Like it says, need a Kevlar buster that doesnt cost a fortunate and need a tripod or vehicle mount to use.
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Firstly you will never pass the exam to be a Police officer if you dont know the difference between a fortune and fortunate.
Why in the hell would you need or want a vehicle mount or tripod, A bipod maybe but not a tripod. I do not think you are the least bit qualified to even posess such ammo. I think that what you are asking about is for a drive by shooter that is tired of missing.

Bleep
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A) He said he didnt want something that would need a tripod or vehicle mount

B) How are AP rounds going to help "a drive by shooter that is tired of missing"? Its not like they are going to help his aim, and on an unarmored target, its less effective than, say, a hollowpoint. Thus, he would need to score more hits to do an equal amount of damage.

C) The only person I can think of who wears body armor all the time is 50 Cent, and if he's planning to hit him, sh!t, I'll donate the entirety of my next paycheck towards getting him a Barrett M99.
 
Originally posted by: Mookow
C) The only person I can think of who wears body armor all the time is 50 Cent, and if he's planning to hit him, sh!t, I'll donate the entirety of my next paycheck towards getting him a Barrett M99.
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If he's putting a hit out on that jackass, I vote we skip the ballistics and move directly to the shoulder-fired ordiance.

- M4H
 
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: Mookow
C) The only person I can think of who wears body armor all the time is 50 Cent, and if he's planning to hit him, sh!t, I'll donate the entirety of my next paycheck towards getting him a Barrett M99.
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If he's putting a hit out on that jackass, I vote we skip the ballistics and move directly to the shoulder-fired ordiance.

- M4H
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Personally, I'd like to see an AT weapon used on him, and I'm not too particular which (GAU-8, 120mm cannon, TOW, etc), but I know I cant get that sort of funding together. Instead, I'm pretty sure like-minded ATers could get together 4K, which would buy Shockwave a Barrett M 99, a decent scope, and some match grade 50 BMG ammo.
 
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