YAGT: which ladder am I on anyway?

Fraggable

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Here's the story, I'll keep it short to avoid cliffs.

about 2 years ago, I worked with a girl for a few weeks at a restaurant. I was very attracted to her and was about to ask her out when she quit suddenly (reason is unimportant). Forgot about her and life went on for 2 years. A few weeks ago I ran into her at a local restaurant where she's now working and she seemed very interested immideately. We emailed a few times and she gave me her #, etc. I visited her at work once or twice (It should be noted here that on her myspace it said she was in a relationship, and when I said something about it in an email she said 'he's never there for me and I don't know how long it's going to last'). I went on a 2-week vacation and on my way back told her I wanted to know if she'd go on a date with me. She said, and I qoute, 'I care for you dearly' and then went on to say she's still seeing him but is not really happy with the relationship but doesn't feel like it's right to leave him because she still loves him. I replied and said ok, We can be friends but I want to know the second you become single. She said ok. She is moving about 1 hour away to college in a few weeks and I have a feeling that's going to kill her relationship because she's said a few times that he never makes an effort to see her. BTW, she rides horses in competitions and fairs and such and asked me if I'd like to go see her horse and go riding sometime before she left. I said yes.

My question after reading the ladder theory is, what ladder am I on? We are friends now but I really think she would have gone on the date if she wasn't already with the other guy. Her reasons for not leaving him are partly grounded in the Christian religion we share in which it would be wrong to leave a 1.5 year relationship just because someone 'better' came along. I really think that if her relationship does end that she'll let me know.

if it matters to anyone, I'm 21 and she's 18.
 

Fraggable

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Originally posted by: cheapgoose
if you haven't hit it yet, you are on the wrong ladder. move on buddy.

'hitting it' is not something her or I or her current b/f for that matter would do before marriage. That isn't really a factor here and I know that throws a wrench in the ladder theory but the basic ideas still apply.

It should be noted that I am not sitting around here wishing she were available and singing country songs to myself, I am seeing other girls too.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: Fraggable
Her reasons for not leaving him are partly grounded in the "women don't let go of one vine until they have their claws firmly strangling the next" religion.

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Fraggable

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Fraggable
Her reasons for not leaving him are partly grounded in the "women don't let go of one vine until they have their claws firmly strangling the next" religion.

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explain? I'm not sure I follow you. Are you trying to say I'm on the good ladder but she doesn't feel like i'm 'committed' to her enough yet?
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: Fraggable
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Fraggable
Her reasons for not leaving him are partly grounded in the "women don't let go of one vine until they have their claws firmly strangling the next" religion.

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explain? I'm not sure I follow you.

She's not dumping his ass until she's 110% sure you're a suitable replacement.
 

cheapgoose

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Originally posted by: Fraggable
Originally posted by: cheapgoose
if you haven't hit it yet, you are on the wrong ladder. move on buddy.

'hitting it' is not something her or I or her current b/f for that matter would do before marriage. That isn't really a factor here and I know that throws a wrench in the ladder theory but the basic ideas still apply.

It should be noted that I am not sitting around here wishing she were available and singing country songs to myself, I am seeing other girls too.

ok, then there is only one ladder for you. so what was the question again?
 

Fraggable

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Fraggable
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Fraggable
Her reasons for not leaving him are partly grounded in the "women don't let go of one vine until they have their claws firmly strangling the next" religion.

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explain? I'm not sure I follow you.

She's not dumping his ass until she's 110% sure you're a suitable replacement.

ah I see. That's a possibility I guess. She does want to spend time with me and makes the effort to meet.
 

Fraggable

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Originally posted by: LanceM
You shouldn't have let her known that you'd basically wait around for her.

I didn't say I'd wait around for her and I'm not. I said I wanted to know when she was single and I am seeing other girls and she knows it.
 

LanceM

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I still think it's basically the same thing.

I mean, I understand about the religion factor, but the rest of life doesn't wait around for religious reasons. If you want the girl, there's no sense in basically giving her time to be with this other guy.
 

Nutdotnet

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Originally posted by: LanceM
I still think it's basically the same thing.

I mean, I understand about the religion factor, but the rest of life doesn't wait around for religious reasons. If you want the girl, there's no sense in basically giving her time to be with this other guy.

I don't understand the religion factor at all.

What does being a Christian have anything to do with her staying with this guy? Are they married? No? Then...what?
 

KB

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She's keeping you in her back pocket for when she wants to make her current BF jealous. Find someone else.
 

Fraggable

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Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Originally posted by: LanceM
I still think it's basically the same thing.

I mean, I understand about the religion factor, but the rest of life doesn't wait around for religious reasons. If you want the girl, there's no sense in basically giving her time to be with this other guy.

I don't understand the religion factor at all.

What does being a Christian have anything to do with her staying with this guy? Are they married? No? Then...what?

Just leaving a 1.5 year relationship without the guy having really done anything wrong. It's not like it's inexcusable or anything, it's just that relationships are a little more committed than normal. She doesn't feel right leaving because she (says) she still loves him and wishes they could spend more time together.
 

LanceM

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The problem is that religion is getting in the way of her being happy. That should be how religion works.
 

Fraggable

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Originally posted by: LanceM
The problem is that religion is getting in the way of her being happy. That should be how religion works.

I really can't blame you for seeing it that way, but my religion gives me a lot more joy than pain. See the forums at the site in my sig for details.
 

Drakkon

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listen to yourself...your only listening to one position in this thread and trying to justify it to the others....that is the quintessential point of the ladder theory. Once you have to justify HER RELATIONSHIP WITH ANOTHER GUY she has you totally holed. you are on the friends ladder buddy no way around it
 

lokiju

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Wow, this is sad.

Move on, she's in a relationship.

Ask yourself this and be honest with your answer. Would you be friends with her if you weren't attracted to her?

Regardless, SHES IN A RELATIONSHIP, move on.

There are way to many fish in the sea.
 

Fraggable

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Originally posted by: lokiju
Ask yourself this and be honest with your answer. Would you be friends with her if you weren't attracted to her?

Yes. Besides the attraction we have a lot of similar interests and get along very well for a lot of reasons.

Maybe this doesn't even matter. You just helped me realize that being on the friends ladder isn't necessarily bad in every case. I'm attracted to her but if we're just friends for the rest of our lives I won't be disappointed.