YAGT: what gun is this kid using?

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: MadAmos
He needs to get better at counting his rounds he has a monster flinch that you can see when he dry fires on the empty chamber each time. That is a problem with starting a young or new shooter with a handgun with substantial recoil, they develop a severe flinch that can take a very long time to train away

It actually happens to just about anyone who doesn't train it periodically. Its a hard-wired neurological response that will creep-up even in highly experienced shooters unless they periodically look for it.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Originally posted by: MadAmos
He needs to get better at counting his rounds he has a monster flinch that you can see when he dry fires on the empty chamber each time. That is a problem with starting a young or new shooter with a handgun with substantial recoil, they develop a severe flinch that can take a very long time to train away

It actually happens to just about anyone who doesn't train it periodically. Its a hard-wired neurological response that will creep-up even in highly experienced shooters unless they periodically look for it.

No doubt. I dry fire a few times after taking long breaks from the range. I also have a great drill for new shooters where you either load the firearm with 1 round or 0 while they have their back turned to the line. Then you have them pick up the weapon and fire. They'll very quickly see how bad their flinch is when the weapon turns out to be loaded. Extra safety is required obviously because you are essentially passing off a loaded firearm, but it is very effective.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: JLee

I would be more comfortable shooting with that 6yo than with many members of AT.

QFT!

He clearly has firearm safety down. Love how he slams the magazines (I will never NOT do this after an incident), he's clearly been trained well. Wouldn't be surprised if his dad was an instructor.

The ONLY thing I would be uncomfortable around him would be if he had his finger in the trigger when running. Couldn't tell.

-edit-
And I never count my rounds. How else are you going to learn how to reload properly, quickly, without thinking if you're counting rounds? That feel of a trigger pull and no bang = repeat reload without thinking. This is what training is all about, so that you don't have to think...you just do.

 

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: spidey07
The ONLY thing I would be uncomfortable around him would be if he had his finger in the trigger when running. Couldn't tell.

That's because he has three fingers inside the trigger guard; two from his right hand and one from his left. i.e. he is barely able to keep the gun under control and is constantly checking his grip (because the gun is too damned much/big for him).

If his father's an instructor, he's a piss-poor one.

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Originally posted by: MadAmos
He needs to get better at counting his rounds he has a monster flinch that you can see when he dry fires on the empty chamber each time. That is a problem with starting a young or new shooter with a handgun with substantial recoil, they develop a severe flinch that can take a very long time to train away

It actually happens to just about anyone who doesn't train it periodically. Its a hard-wired neurological response that will creep-up even in highly experienced shooters unless they periodically look for it.

No doubt. I dry fire a few times after taking long breaks from the range. I also have a great drill for new shooters where you either load the firearm with 1 round or 0 while they have their back turned to the line. Then you have them pick up the weapon and fire. They'll very quickly see how bad their flinch is when the weapon turns out to be loaded. Extra safety is required obviously because you are essentially passing off a loaded firearm, but it is very effective.

The way I do it is to have someone else aside from teh shooter load the magazines. Live rounds with randomly distributed dummy rounds. You'll see the flinch when a dummy round comes up. Can also be combined with clearing drills.

I tried to do it myself, but quickly figured out the difference in feel/weight of a dummy round and a live round.

 

[sourceninja]

I agree that pistol is too large for him. I have a feeling they are using it just for this video.

I practice my flinch response with my 357. It's a 686+ S&W. First, I go shooting for about 30 minutes, then I have a friend load it up with any order of bullets he wants. It usually becomes quite obvious how bad my flinch is getting very quickly.

I need to do more clearing drills, but I keep taking my revolvers out more then my auto's.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: sourceninja

It's a sport and it is obvious the kid is having fun so what's the big problem here?

Can you not separate a gun from the multiple uses? I bet you think swords are only for killing too and wouldn't let you kid take a iadio class? Maybe you don't have any knives in the kitchen either? I've read people were killed with baseball bats, so lets keep kids out of little league.

He's not learning to be a trained killer, he's having fun in a sport where both him and his father can bond. That can no way be construed as a bad thing ever. How many kids grow up without ever spending time with their fathers and have 'issues' when they become adults. If you really feel the way you are posting and not trolling then you are the one with issues, not this kid or his parents.

My fondest memories are going out to my grandfathers house to go shooting tin cans. He used to take me out at 5 years old to shoot his pellet gun and bought me my own 22 when I was 6. I would beg my parents to let me stay over there every weekend, we would go hiking, he would show me plants and tell me what was safe to eat and how to identify animal tracks and then we would go back to his house and setup a picnic table and shoot my 22 at cans and targets. I understood a gun was dangerous even at 5 years old, just like I knew the band-saw was dangerous when he helped me make a wooden sword (and yes he let me cut the wood under his supervision).

As a result of this, when I was 11 years old I spent the night at a friends house. His dad ran to the store down the street to grab us dinner and my friend showed me his dad's pistol. I had never been allowed to fire a pistol before, but I was also well trained in firearms safety. I told him to put it away and called my father to pick me up. I never told my dad why but I knew that I was in a unsafe place.

Every time I go to the range now and see a young kid with that smile on his face it reminds me of my time with my grandfather. He's not dead, but he lives far enough away that I can't go see him very often and he's at that age where moving is getting hard for him. It makes me long for the days of being a little kid down behind his house putting holes in cans and trying to be a better shot then grandpa!

I ENVY YOUR CHILDHOOD

 

[caddlad]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
whats the blue box the guy is holding up?

A timer. It tracks the time and records the sound of the round being discharged. Used for scoring purposes.

IIRC some will score a hit/miss in cowboy shoots, where metal targets issue a distinctive "clang".

Cute vid, but it has a Jon Benet Ramsey feel to it. Sponsor shirt and "i'm so bad" LEO shades. Like a 6 year old beauty queen ramrodded by an overbearing mother, this kid is being set up to live (or fail at) daddy's dream.

I jus sayin.

 

[0roo0roo]

ah ok

 

[brandonb]

From the shells being ejected while he is firing it looks like a .22.