YAGT: SO's Parents Wont Let Her Date Outside Religion

[necine]

Originally posted by: Playmaker

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Playmaker
And, wow, someone using an Ayn Rand quote to prove a point in a serious manner? I LOLed.

You should try reading her sometime before you show your lack of education again.

Haha, on the contrary, sometimes I feel as though I'm one of the few people here that actually has college-level education in philosophy or political science.

I believe you took my comment out of context. In fact, Atlas Shrugged is one of my favorite books, no matter how ridiculous objectivism is in reality (but that's for another thread). The quote was funny to me becuase I've never seen Ayn Rand quoted like that before, that's all I was getting at.

I have a college-level education in philosophy (ex philosophy major). I think that objectivism is a legitimate personal philosophy. Could you explain your reasons for thinking otherwise?

 

[Neurorelay]

Originally posted by: necine

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: necine

Originally posted by: deadlyapp
Thread is useless without ....anything?

Well I cant say the religion... But the information on it is available here: Text

Why can't you say the religion, yet you can post a detailed link to it which reveals the name and many other details?

I didn't want google crawl to pick up this thread. My profile shows my town and it may be picked up somehow.

Sounds like they will come after you, thus the secrecy. 😛

 

[hypn0tik]

No disrespect intended, but I'm surprised that her religion allows dating in the first place. It seems to be a very conservative type religion and I would have thought that her marriage would be arranged.

 

[theMan]

this sounds like a cool idea for a movie. 😛

do your parents know about the situation? what do they think?

 

[necine]

Originally posted by: hypn0tik
No disrespect intended, but I'm surprised that her religion allows dating in the first place. It seems to be a very conservative type religion and I would have thought that her marriage would be arranged.

I thought that she would be arranged for marriage too. But no, that's not going to happen. Apparently her family was discussing moving back to Lebannon. Her father claims it's because "he doesn't like it here" or some other such nonsense. However, she feels it's so she and her sisters can find acceptable husbands. She refuses to move back.

 

[JDrake]

she isn't willing to convert out?

 

[necine]

Originally posted by: theman
this sounds like a cool idea for a movie. 😛

do your parents know about the situation? what do they think?

Not really... My father's not too keen on Middle Eastern people, but I do what I want. He's met her, knows how I feel about her, and thinks she's a nice girl.

I told him about her religion and he thinks she's lying to hide me from her parents cuz I'm half black. He doesn't have all his bolts tightened. I knew she was this religion even before I met her from her friend.

 

[hypn0tik]

Originally posted by: necine

Originally posted by: hypn0tik
No disrespect intended, but I'm surprised that her religion allows dating in the first place. It seems to be a very conservative type religion and I would have thought that her marriage would be arranged.

I thought that she would be arranged for marriage too. But no, that's not going to happen. Apparently her family was discussing moving back to Lebannon. Her father claims it's because "he doesn't like it here" or some other such nonsense. However, she feels it's so she and her sisters can find acceptable husbands. She refuses to move back.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that women don't have much say. I don't think she has much say in decision making? If she refuses to move back, won't she end up getting disowned?

 

[necine]

Originally posted by: hypn0tik

Originally posted by: necine

Originally posted by: hypn0tik
No disrespect intended, but I'm surprised that her religion allows dating in the first place. It seems to be a very conservative type religion and I would have thought that her marriage would be arranged.

I thought that she would be arranged for marriage too. But no, that's not going to happen. Apparently her family was discussing moving back to Lebannon. Her father claims it's because "he doesn't like it here" or some other such nonsense. However, she feels it's so she and her sisters can find acceptable husbands. She refuses to move back.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that women don't have much say. I don't think she has much say in decision making? If she refuses to move back, won't she end up getting disowned?

No, not really. She's allowed to decide what country she wants to live in. I kinda want her to move in with me now but my job and living situation aren't certain. I need some time to get a better job and a more stable place to live.

We've discussed the possibility of moving in together without her parents knowledge. We would move in together and her parents would just think that she is living on her own. She believes that they will find out this way anyway, and if we are going to do it we might as well do it in one fell swoop.

 

[hypn0tik]

Originally posted by: necine

Originally posted by: hypn0tik

Originally posted by: necine

Originally posted by: hypn0tik
No disrespect intended, but I'm surprised that her religion allows dating in the first place. It seems to be a very conservative type religion and I would have thought that her marriage would be arranged.

I thought that she would be arranged for marriage too. But no, that's not going to happen. Apparently her family was discussing moving back to Lebannon. Her father claims it's because "he doesn't like it here" or some other such nonsense. However, she feels it's so she and her sisters can find acceptable husbands. She refuses to move back.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that women don't have much say. I don't think she has much say in decision making? If she refuses to move back, won't she end up getting disowned?

No, not really. She's allowed to decide what country she wants to live in. I kinda want her to move in with me now but my job and living situation aren't certain. I need some time to get a better job and a more stable place to live.

We've discussed the possibility of moving in together without her parents knowledge. We would move in together and her parents would just think that she is living on her own. She believes that they will find out this way anyway, and if we are going to do it we might as well do it in one fell swoop.

Well, that's a good sign. If her parents are in Lebanon and she's here then it makes life easier for you right?

IMO, her parents finding out by themselves or a third party is much worse than just 'fessing up to them.

 

[necine]

Originally posted by: hypn0tik

Originally posted by: necine

Originally posted by: hypn0tik

Originally posted by: necine

Originally posted by: hypn0tik
No disrespect intended, but I'm surprised that her religion allows dating in the first place. It seems to be a very conservative type religion and I would have thought that her marriage would be arranged.

I thought that she would be arranged for marriage too. But no, that's not going to happen. Apparently her family was discussing moving back to Lebannon. Her father claims it's because "he doesn't like it here" or some other such nonsense. However, she feels it's so she and her sisters can find acceptable husbands. She refuses to move back.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that women don't have much say. I don't think she has much say in decision making? If she refuses to move back, won't she end up getting disowned?

No, not really. She's allowed to decide what country she wants to live in. I kinda want her to move in with me now but my job and living situation aren't certain. I need some time to get a better job and a more stable place to live.

We've discussed the possibility of moving in together without her parents knowledge. We would move in together and her parents would just think that she is living on her own. She believes that they will find out this way anyway, and if we are going to do it we might as well do it in one fell swoop.

Well, that's a good sign. If her parents are in Lebanon and she's here then it makes life easier for you right?

IMO, her parents finding out by themselves or a third party is much worse than just 'fessing up to them.

Indeed. However, her parent's wouldn't move back without her. It's probably not going to happen.

Yes, I've honestly tried with no success to just see if she'd talk to her parents about it. That's not going to happen because she knows what the outcome will be.

 

[hypn0tik]

Originally posted by: necine

Originally posted by: hypn0tik

Originally posted by: necine

Originally posted by: hypn0tik

Originally posted by: necine

Originally posted by: hypn0tik
No disrespect intended, but I'm surprised that her religion allows dating in the first place. It seems to be a very conservative type religion and I would have thought that her marriage would be arranged.

I thought that she would be arranged for marriage too. But no, that's not going to happen. Apparently her family was discussing moving back to Lebannon. Her father claims it's because "he doesn't like it here" or some other such nonsense. However, she feels it's so she and her sisters can find acceptable husbands. She refuses to move back.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that women don't have much say. I don't think she has much say in decision making? If she refuses to move back, won't she end up getting disowned?

No, not really. She's allowed to decide what country she wants to live in. I kinda want her to move in with me now but my job and living situation aren't certain. I need some time to get a better job and a more stable place to live.

We've discussed the possibility of moving in together without her parents knowledge. We would move in together and her parents would just think that she is living on her own. She believes that they will find out this way anyway, and if we are going to do it we might as well do it in one fell swoop.

Well, that's a good sign. If her parents are in Lebanon and she's here then it makes life easier for you right?

IMO, her parents finding out by themselves or a third party is much worse than just 'fessing up to them.

Indeed. However, her parent's wouldn't move back without her. It's probably not going to happen.

Yes, I've honestly tried with no success to just see if she'd talk to her parents about it. That's not going to happen because she knows what the outcome will be.

It's an extremely difficult situation that you two are in. I sincerely hope it all works for the best. Good luck to you two.

 

[Playmaker]

Originally posted by: necine
I have a college-level education in philosophy (ex philosophy major). I think that objectivism is a legitimate personal philosophy. Could you explain your reasons for thinking otherwise?

I didn't say it's not a legitimate philosophy, just that I find it unrealistic. Don't get me wrong, back when I first read Atlas Shrugged (and was significantly more impressionable) I agreed with her view of the world. However, after going through college and getting out into the world more (as cliche as it sounds), I just don't find it realistic as I believe the educated class in today's culture is more apt to gravitate towards pro-actively improving society than to becoming strict egoists as she desired.

Like I said, Atlas Shrugged is one of my favorite books, but I believe its true value comes in certain points she makes on liberty and a free market, not the precise adherence to objectivism that she thought was the only way to look at her work. She was so "all-or-nothing" when it came to her philosophy.

I also find that most Randists are in their late teens to early 20s, and that, while they still keep many of the more libertarian aspects of views, the strict belief in objectivism is lost as they get out into the real world.

Wow, that's really OT to this thread.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

any family that would do that to their own daughter isn't worth having as a family

they sound like nutjobs and shes probably better off without them

need pics