YAGT: *POLL* M16 vs AK47. Which is the superior weapon?

[freegeeks]

I'll take a FN Fal

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: kage69

I've heard you'd be about as accurate throwing the shells at your attacker versus just trying to shoot him. Any truth to it? Hows the recoil? Balance? Whats your overall opinion of the gun?

Recoil wasn't that bad, but then it's a heavy piece and the variant I got to blast with was in .357
I found it awkward to shoot, the balance is nowhere near a SIG or HK. I'm sure the ones in .50 kick like a mule, but I just don't see a need for that kind of firepower in a side-arm short of trying to intimidate someone into thinking your a badass. Image junkies obviously get wood over stuff like that, but a thinking man would most likely stick with .45ACP or .40SW for real tactical stuff. If I need to drop a charging bear, I'll use a Benelli and leave the Hollywood crap for the CS tards.

Some soldiers in Iraq are complaining about the M16 in urban warfare because with its long barrel it takes longer to swing it around to shoot at the guy popping up behind you

Yeah, I heard similar about them proving difficult to use when firing from inside a vehicle. I would still pick the M16 over the AK in that setting, as those were the choices for the thread. Rest assured, if I had to do a real urban hump, I'd sport one of theose HK subs in .40S&W, or a compact 12gauge over a field rifle anyday.

Desert Eagles are overrated, I agree. If you want to drop a charging bear with something other than a shotgun or a rifle, try THIS.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
I'll take a FN Fal

Hell yea! We have a winnar! 🙂 I wouldn't mind a H&K G36. You'd be amazed how something so large can be very lightweight.

 

[TallBill]

Uh, have any of you shot a AK 47 or M16? Funny, I've never had an m16 jam on me firing live rounds. I had a shell get caught upon ejection, which took about.. oh ¼ of a second to fix. Also, shooting automatic isn't quite a good thing. Ever try holding down a rilfe that fires automatic. Its tough enough on a 3 round burst. Especially from a 7.62 round, the kick is even larger. Even if an AK was as accurate as the m16 on the first bullet, most n00bs just think automatic is their friend and shoot rounds high. Also, a huge reason for inaccuracy of the ak47 as we know it is from improper firing. Theres no way that you can fire a rifle accuratly without a sturdy position.

 

[BuckNaked]

I have had considerable range time with both, and made my choice... pic.

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Uh, have any of you shot a AK 47 or M16? Funny, I've never had an m16 jam on me firing live rounds. I had a shell get caught upon ejection, which took about.. oh ¼ of a second to fix. Also, shooting automatic isn't quite a good thing. Ever try holding down a rilfe that fires automatic. Its tough enough on a 3 round burst. Especially from a 7.62 round, the kick is even larger. Even if an AK was as accurate as the m16 on the first bullet, most n00bs just think automatic is their friend and shoot rounds high. Also, a huge reason for inaccuracy of the ak47 as we know it is from improper firing. Theres no way that you can fire a rifle accuratly without a sturdy position.

:beer: for the MP. Though jamming over in Iraq is common among many Army soliders. It's not the M16s fault, the Army just doesn't teach proper gun maintenance. 😉

(And yes, I have fired both, never having experienced a jam)

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
I'll take a FN Fal

Again the dammed import ban!

Just have to settle for kits and non FN receivers.
Ohhh..HB FAL, you will be mine.

 

[TallBill]

Though jamming over in Iraq is common among many Army soliders. It's not the M16s fault, the Army just doesn't teach proper gun maintenance.

(And yes, I have fired both, never having experienced a jam)

Yeah, theres really no reason for these to be jamming all that much. Keep the barrel outta the sand, and scrub the crap out of it. I cleaned my rifle so much that there was no blueing (sp?) left on my bolt.

 

[SuperTool]

Aren't there more expensive better variants of AK-47. If you were to spend the same money that base M16 cost on a tricked out AK variant, which would be a better weapon?

 

[Lithium381]

i'm fond of the m16 myself

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Aren't there more expensive better variants of AK-47. If you were to spend the same money that base M16 cost on a tricked out AK variant, which would be a better weapon?

Yes there are some excellent AK variants. A couple of these include the Finnish Valmet and the Israeli Galil.
From what I have heard, the Valmet is the most highly regarded.

 

My choice

 

[Tret]

People This isn't counter-strike and none of your fps. The M-16 is far more superior than the ak47. Why you say? I'll tell you several reasons why.First we can hook up the m16 with a M209,second the material on the gun is much better on the m16.finally, how come the united states special forces uses an m16 and not a ak47? In short words M16>Ak47

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: Tret
People This isn't counter-strike and none of your fps. The M-16 is far more superior than the ak47. Why you say? I'll tell you several reasons why.First we can hook up the m16 with a M209,second the material on the gun is much better on the m16.finally, how come the united states special forces uses an m16 and not a ak47? In short words M16>Ak47

Damn it. When will people learn. Special Forces does not use the M16. Not the M16A1, the M16A2, the M16A3, or the M16A4. They use the M4A1 as their primary assault rifle. Also, the AK47 can be equipped with a grenade launcher, just like the M16.

 

Originally posted by: Tret
People This isn't counter-strike and none of your fps. The M-16 is far more superior than the ak47. Why you say? I'll tell you several reasons why.First we can hook up the m16 with a M209,second the material on the gun is much better on the m16.finally, how come the united states special forces uses an m16 and not a ak47? In short words M16>Ak47

In urban combat, i would MUCH rather have an AK. It penetrates much better than that .223 round. At long range, sure, M-16. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. And an AK can have a gernade launcher put onto it, so there goes that "bonus."

I would PERSONALLY choose the AK-47. Why? Because thats the one I like. Its about personal prefrence most of the time when it comes to arguments like these.

 

[Pliablemoose]

AK is superior. I've heard more than once that US soldiers have picked them up on the battlefield & used them instead of the M16.

My AR on top

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: thenerdguy
hey dood right out of the box. 🙂 Its just that some of us know how to shoot and other dont its that simple.

We must have forgotten that everybody on ATOT is an expert marksman.

So expert that they can overcome the inherent inaccuracy of the gun. Much like our favorite Swedish Special Forces Commando, some people are just able to pick up a gun and shoot 3" groups (of five rounds) at 800 yards.


Rapid fire.



Freehand.



Using iron sights.



While running.



And bunny hopping.



Oh, wait, did you mean outside of CounterStrike?

 

[Gyrene]

LMAO!

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: dtyn
LMAO!

Yeah, well, that was pretty much my response to "Your average issue AK will hit a man sized target at 500 yards reliably."

Except I expanded it (my reaction) out a little.

 

[Wintermute76]

saw it in a sig on a gunboard...

If you want reliability...get an AK
If you want accuracy...get an AR
If you want both...get a FAL


but since teh FNFAL isn't a choice, I'd say pick up both and use whichever the situation calls for 😛

 

[Dufman]

id say the m16

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: K1052
<---Has a Galil kit lurking around waiting for a receiver and a build.

Galil recievers were serious $$$$ last time I checked.

I have a couple of leads on new manufacturers. Only $$$ instead of $$$$.

Damm import ban on IMI receivers.:|

Would that expire if the AWB expires?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: K1052
<---Has a Galil kit lurking around waiting for a receiver and a build.

Galil recievers were serious $$$$ last time I checked.

I have a couple of leads on new manufacturers. Only $$$ instead of $$$$.

Damm import ban on IMI receivers.:|

Would that expire if the AWB expires?

I am fairly sure that Galil receivers are banned form importation by Clinton's executive order in 1998.

It looks like several U.S. makers will be offering U.S. made receivers very soon.

Though now my state is currently trying to make "assault weapons" illegal.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: Tret
People This isn't counter-strike and none of your fps. The M-16 is far more superior than the ak47. Why you say? I'll tell you several reasons why.First we can hook up the m16 with a M209,second the material on the gun is much better on the m16.finally, how come the united states special forces uses an m16 and not a ak47? In short words M16>Ak47

In urban combat, i would MUCH rather have an AK. It penetrates much better than that .223 round. At long range, sure, M-16. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. And an AK can have a gernade launcher put onto it, so there goes that "bonus."

I would PERSONALLY choose the AK-47. Why? Because thats the one I like. Its about personal prefrence most of the time when it comes to arguments like these.

That picture is kind of dark, is that a Rumanian AK, or something else with aftermarket furniture?

 

[Mookow]

Overall, how bad is IL about weapons? I know they are pretty restrictive with knives.