(YAGT) Illinois: More gun related fail...

[chucky2]

You can use .22 short, long or long rifles in most lever, bolt, single shot and pump action rifles or .22 revolvers.. Since the shorts and the long are sub-sonic they don't make the loud "CRACK" sound most of the long rifles rounds make (aside from target rounds). Also CB caps are good for shooting without ear protection.

There is no logical reason for most of the restrictions, it's more a matter of forcing more and more regulations and expenses onto gun owners in an attempt to coerce them into giving up their rights.

This is a semi-auto 22 rifle. Not sure if shorts will work in it or not.

Man up and reload your own brass...

That is unless .22LR is all you're manly enough to shoot.

I don't know if its feasilble to reload .22LR, and even if it was, I don't really have any .22LR shells or reloading equip to do it. .22LR was too much for me btw...that's why I got a 10mm...

Some companies have had this requirement for quite some time but it seems like the rest have adopted it over recent years, probably for liability reasons. Once your info is on file at the companies you frequent you don't even have to think about it anymore.

Though the FOID system is pretty much useless (having worked for IL State police a while back).

What's odd is that in that graphic, none of the other states listed have the ammo restriction that IL does. Worse, the entire rest of the US can just order w/o any difficulty at all. Up until this point, I found FOID a minor and inconsequential thing to have around. Sort of like a 'do once then forget about' thing. What is amazing to me is that we need to have a FOID to acquire a constitutionally protected right, but one particular side of the aisle has apoplectic fits on expecting to see the same type of thing required to vote. The total mental disconnect there is impressively amazing...

Chuck

 

[K1052]

What's odd is that in that graphic, none of the other states listed have the ammo restriction that IL does. Worse, the entire rest of the US can just order w/o any difficulty at all. Up until this point, I found FOID a minor and inconsequential thing to have around. Sort of like a 'do once then forget about' thing. What is amazing to me is that we need to have a FOID to acquire a constitutionally protected right, but one particular side of the aisle has apoplectic fits on expecting to see the same type of thing required to vote. The total mental disconnect there is impressively amazing...

FOID is essentially useless and shouldn't even exist, as is it's super easy to comply with and the costs/restrictions aren't onerous but a recently imprisoned governor tried to make it so to no avail. I'd prefer it go away but that is not likely.

Voter ID is a different animal since you can't really comply by mail like you can with FOID and you end up disenfranchising people by default who are typically poor and/or elderly.

Just as unfortunate shootings are used by the left to perpetuate useless gun restrictions the specter of voter fraud is used by the right in an attempt to eke out an electoral advantage. I find neither of these actions particularly appealing.

 

[monovillage]

This is a semi-auto 22 rifle. Not sure if shorts will work in it or not.



I don't know if its feasilble to reload .22LR, and even if it was, I don't really have any .22LR shells or reloading equip to do it. .22LR was too much for me btw...that's why I got a 10mm...



What's odd is that in that graphic, none of the other states listed have the ammo restriction that IL does. Worse, the entire rest of the US can just order w/o any difficulty at all. Up until this point, I found FOID a minor and inconsequential thing to have around. Sort of like a 'do once then forget about' thing. What is amazing to me is that we need to have a FOID to acquire a constitutionally protected right, but one particular side of the aisle has apoplectic fits on expecting to see the same type of thing required to vote. The total mental disconnect there is impressively amazing...

Chuck

Usually if you use .22 long or short rounds in a semi-auto they don't have enough power to completely cycle the action essentially turning it into a manually cycled single shot. I've done it, but it's not recommended.

 

[Kingbee13]

Was able to get a couple boxes of 9mm today at a local shop. Hopefully it will die down again, I still don't understand the 22lr shortage. I suppose when the shops didn't have anything else everyone decided to grab that up.

 

[Lithium381]

This is a semi-auto 22 rifle. Not sure if shorts will work in it or not.



I don't know if its feasilble to reload .22LR, and even if it was, I don't really have any .22LR shells or reloading equip to do it. .22LR was too much for me btw...that's why I got a 10mm...



What's odd is that in that graphic, none of the other states listed have the ammo restriction that IL does. Worse, the entire rest of the US can just order w/o any difficulty at all. Up until this point, I found FOID a minor and inconsequential thing to have around. Sort of like a 'do once then forget about' thing. What is amazing to me is that we need to have a FOID to acquire a constitutionally protected right, but one particular side of the aisle has apoplectic fits on expecting to see the same type of thing required to vote. The total mental disconnect there is impressively amazing...

Chuck

California tried to ban "handgun ammo" online sales two years ago but it got challanged and they aren't doing it anymore, well, for right now anyway.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's like Reefer Madness all over again.

 

[Smoblikat]

to be honest, the thing that stuck out most to me was california. Crossbow bolts?!?!?! who the hell was thinking "shit, we need to ban crossbow bolts!" lol.

Lol,I saw that a lot of states banned pepper spray..........PEPPER SPRAY. They ban the non-lethal weapons so you are forced to use the lethal ones instead..........

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Assuming you aren't that far from a border couldn't you just drive to one of the neighboring gun friendly states to stock up on ammo without any bs?

 

[Kingbee13]

to be honest, the thing that stuck out most to me was california. Crossbow bolts?!?!?! who the hell was thinking "shit, we need to ban crossbow bolts!" lol.

Perhaps you've never seen the walking dead, can't have folks going all Darrell on innocent zombies

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Perhaps you've never seen the walking dead, can't have folks going all Darrell on innocent zombies

Democrats can't have Daryl going around killing off one of their strongest demographics

 

[chucky2]

Usually if you use .22 long or short rounds in a semi-auto they don't have enough power to completely cycle the action essentially turning it into a manually cycled single shot. I've done it, but it's not recommended.

I wonder then if I should even get the .22L, given that is related somewhat to what the smith fixed. It's cheap though...I'll just get it (when I can get it, since I know have to wait while everyone else in the US gets <x> cracks at buying out the stock after call in hours before I can call in and order some.

California tried to ban "handgun ammo" online sales two years ago but it got challanged and they aren't doing it anymore, well, for right now anyway.

Assuming you aren't that far from a border couldn't you just drive to one of the neighboring gun friendly states to stock up on ammo without any bs?

Yes, here's the amazing part: Chicago and Crook Co. are but a very short drive away from Indiana. I myself am a very short distance from Indiana. It goes without saying that this provision in IL law was put in place by Dems, which means, Chicago and Crook Co. and those they get elected are the ones that wanted it. So, the same exact people who wanted it, live right next to a state that has no problem selling ammo to anyone over 18. Not like a criminal is going to care and go all that way if they need to get ammo, but, they easily could.

So exactly who does this law protect? No one.

And those enamored with Big Gov just can't understand why conservatives want less of it, not more.

Chuck

 

[chucky2]

FOID is essentially useless and shouldn't even exist, as is it's super easy to comply with and the costs/restrictions aren't onerous but a recently imprisoned governor tried to make it so to no avail. I'd prefer it go away but that is not likely.

I just never understood the point of it. Well, really, my understanding is its another scheme by IL croo, er, Politicians, to extort more money for state use.

Voter ID is a different animal since you can't really comply by mail like you can with FOID and you end up disenfranchising people by default who are typically poor and/or elderly.

Just as unfortunate shootings are used by the left to perpetuate useless gun restrictions the specter of voter fraud is used by the right in an attempt to eke out an electoral advantage. I find neither of these actions particularly appealing.

We can agree to disagree here. Although I should have said National ID rather than Voter ID...the NID being used for voting (among other things) of course. If people are unable to get themselves to the local DMV, or downstairs at their local retirement home, for their free National ID every 10 years, really, it's just too Fing bad they can't vote. National ID solves so many problems I think we're literally at criminal point on Politicians that it hasn't been implemented yet. Oh well, that's a whole nother thread.

Chuck

 

[K1052]

I just never understood the point of it. Well, really, my understanding is its another scheme by IL croo, er, Politicians, to extort more money for state use.

I would be absolutely flabbergasted if FOID administration actually produced more in fees than it cost (having personally seen it). I don't see it as a revenue grab....just a well intentioned yet totally ineffective intrusion on our rights.

 

[TallBill]

I would be absolutely flabbergasted if FOID administration actually produced more in fees than it cost (having personally seen it). I don't see it as a revenue grab....just a well intentioned yet totally ineffective intrusion on our rights.

Yeah there's no way that it makes money.

 

[chucky2]

Of course. It doesn't make money now, but when it was envisioned, I'm sure there were rosy $$$ projections in the eyes of the Pols. That, and look at all those Gov jobs they'll be able to hand out...winnah!

 

[Abe Froman]

I applied for a FOID before officially moving, what I don't appreciate is not being able to by ammo anywhere with in reasonable driving distance. This state is ridiculous when it comes to the laws... The ironic part is that it's terribly easy to by a weapon and get it here illegally. I see it done hundreds of times each time I visit the ranges in the area.

On another note, does anyone know if ammo is any cheaper in IN?

 

[chucky2]

Almost everything is cheaper in IN.