(YAGT) Illinois: More gun related fail...

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chucky2

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So we all know there's an ammo shortage brought on by the buying craze due to no one trusting the gun grabbers. .22LR even .22L, very very hard to come by.

I'm signed up on the auto-notify at Natchez for the .22LR and .22L that I'm interested in. I get a txt on my phone from them that something is in stock, and finally after a quicker than normal drive home get on their website, which is crawling. Get logged in, see that it's the .22L that is in, put it in my cart. Only to then be hit with this:

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Basically, because of our super smart political guys in Illinois (and, really, we know this is brought to us by the super smart political guys in Chicago and Crook Co.), I am unable to internet order ammo without sending in my FOID and drivers license to Natchez (greatly increasing the chances of identity theft, needlessly), but also now I'll need to call in to place the order, like it's 1980.

Granted, I'm a States Rights guy. So I fully understand that if I don't like it, I can just Fing move to another state. What I'm failing to understand is what is the logic here from an IL perspective? What is even the point of needing this for ammo purchases that they think it will accomplish? I can drive a few miles to Indiana and buy all the ammo I want (well, before the ammo shortage). I can buy a press, dies, powder, etc. and just roll my own. In either case, there is no real way short of me buying some uncommon and this more easily trackable rounds that they'd ever be able to track me in the case of a crime. So, given it's not going to help one iota with crime, what other than needlessly hassling firearms owners is this doing?

I'm sure by the time tomorrow rolls around, and Natchez is open and I can call in, the .22 will be OOS again. Grrr...

Chuck
 
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chucky2 said:
What I'm failing to understand is what is the logic here from an IL perspective?
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If you were allowed to just order it you would be killing children by the metric ton, duh, it's for the children.
 
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Double Trouble

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I think that's pretty much the point. If you can't remove someone's right to bear arms (because of that pesky constitution), you can erode the right by creating more and more restrictions and making it more and more of a hassle. Of course that only impacts the law abiding citizens, so there's no benefit to the crime rates.

I swear it looks more and more to me like the anti gun zealotry among the democrats is the equivalent of the anti abortion stuff from the gop. They'll try the dumbest things to skirt the constitutional constraints, all in the hope that they can simply erode away the constitutional right over time.
 
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michal1980

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Illinois knows that all bad guys fill out these forms. And so crime will now be stopped
 
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Screech

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to be honest, the thing that stuck out most to me was california. Crossbow bolts?!?!?! who the hell was thinking "shit, we need to ban crossbow bolts!" lol.
 
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chucky2

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I guess I'm just...mystified is all. I'm imagining a group of Politicians and their lackeys sitting around with the Lawyers they rub shoulders with, and their lackeys of course, and they're in their gun grabber group with some of their special interest gun grabber lackeys present, and they're going to create some profound laws that are going to reduce gun crime in Chicago/Crook Co. (because, we know, it's not the rest of IL that has a problem or that wants these insanity laws)...

...so of course after they get done burning a Sam Colt figure, and go through what firearms that are just too deadly and that mainly scare them, they get around to ammo.

In what kind of mindset does one need to be in, to actually think that requiring a FOID is going to actually, in any way, reduce gun violence???

I just cannot imagine that mindset, other than they all have an evil laugh and go, 'Hey, we can really f*ck with firearm owners by requiring a FOID to even buy ammo too! Giggle giggle jizz squirt jizz squirt!'

My opinion and confidence in Politicians approaches zero. Of Chicago/Crook Co. Pols it is zero. But I guess some warped part of me holds some kind of hope that there is actually some kind of valid rationale that was used to require FOID for ammo purchases. Can anyone think of a valid statistically significant reason for doing so?

Chuck
 
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chucky2

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LTC8K6 said:
You can still get .22 long ammo?
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I guess so. My dads rifle says it can handle .22L and .22LR, so I figured - correctly it appears - that it'd be easier to score some .22L to just shoot for fun (and to verify the local smith actually fixed the extraction issue with it) than getting .22LR.

Don't get me wrong...I'm still wanting some 40gr CCI Mini-Mag, but the .22L is really what I need now.

Chuck
 
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chucky2 said:
I guess so. My dads rifle says it can handle .22L and .22LR, so I figured - correctly it appears - that it'd be easier to score some .22L to just shoot for fun (and to verify the local smith actually fixed the extraction issue with it) than getting .22LR.

Don't get me wrong...I'm still wanting some 40gr CCI Mini-Mag, but the .22L is really what I need now.

Chuck
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You can use .22 short, long or long rifles in most lever, bolt, single shot and pump action rifles or .22 revolvers.. Since the shorts and the long are sub-sonic they don't make the loud "CRACK" sound most of the long rifles rounds make (aside from target rounds). Also CB caps are good for shooting without ear protection.

There is no logical reason for most of the restrictions, it's more a matter of forcing more and more regulations and expenses onto gun owners in an attempt to coerce them into giving up their rights.
 
blankslate

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Man up and reload your own brass...

That is unless .22LR is all you're manly enough to shoot.
 
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blankslate said:
Man up and reload your own brass...

That is unless .22LR is all you're manly enough to shoot.
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Had several people tell me they are having a hard time finding primers and bullets.

On the upside, my fire proof cabinets are full.
 
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chucky2 said:
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Basically, because of our super smart political guys in Illinois (and, really, we know this is brought to us by the super smart political guys in Chicago and Crook Co.), I am unable to internet order ammo without sending in my FOID and drivers license to Natchez (greatly increasing the chances of identity theft, needlessly), but also now I'll need to call in to place the order, like it's 1980.
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Some companies have had this requirement for quite some time but it seems like the rest have adopted it over recent years, probably for liability reasons. Once your info is on file at the companies you frequent you don't even have to think about it anymore.

Though the FOID system is pretty much useless (having worked for IL State police a while back).
 
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blankslate said:
Man up and reload your own brass...

That is unless .22LR is all you're manly enough to shoot.
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I hate to tell you this, but the calibre of the firearm you shoot has nothing to do with the size of your penis. This is even true of liberal men that don't shoot firearms at all.
 
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EagleKeeper

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PC Surgeon said:
A firearm without ammunition is just an expensive club.
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Remove the ammo and the criminals will not be able to go on a shooting spree until they steal some or make a trip out of state.

If they can not get the guns off the street, they can reduce the weapon usage.
Logically for a politician it makes sense;

However, to enforce it puts an undo burden on a regular citizen.
 
TallBill

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EagleKeeper said:
Remove the ammo and the criminals will not be able to go on a shooting spree until they steal some or make a trip out of state.

If they can not get the guns off the street, they can reduce the weapon usage.
Logically for a politician it makes sense;

However, to enforce it puts an undo burden on a regular citizen.
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In normal markets ammo isn't tough to get whatsoever... you'll pay more to buy locally but I don't think murderers are really considering price. You can still very easily find and buy any ammo if you pay a premium.

Taxing or limiting ammo purchases is fucking stupid. Period.
 
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