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Everyone hates themselves, doesn't know it, and doesn't want to know it. That came from childhood. To be brutally raped on top of that is just too much. It's like a confirmation, the frosting on the cake. Part of not being able to speak out is because of the self hate, the rape feels like it's deserved. We are no good and here's the proof. There is rage and there is the feeling of worthlesness that we don't deserve better. So we curl up in out self hate and carry on. We stuff down and suppress the feelings and carry on in make believe living having friends, some fun, some thin life. We meet somebody and our hearts flower. Man we are loved, maybe we are ok. But we avoid attachment, avoid commitment, avoid anything serious or envolved. Then the hammer falls. I love you. You love me, you love me you ass. Io you know how worthless I am. Do you know I was raped. Do you know what a dirtied piece of sh!t I am. You love my you ass, you fool, you stupid jerk. Get away from me. You make me feel everything all over again. I can't be any good, I suffered so much pain, I have to be worthless, please don't make me feel it again. I want to pretend, to keep it light. Don't ever offer me the hope of love. All that died long ago. I can never be happy. I am worthless, useless, empty. You love me? I have nothing to give. Run away before i destroy your love and drown it in my empty sea.

We are powerless in the face of the insanity that is man and woman. We cannot reverse the damage others have exoerienced. We can barely reverse what was done to us. But there is nothng you or anybody can do for anybody but to love them unconditionally and objectively, with the knowledge that our love will burn them like fire and cause them to hate, ro reject and to prove to us that they are worthless. We test and test to see if we are loved and all our tests are meant to fail, intended to cause the t other to fail. The lover does not care. The lover gives without regard to gain. The lover loves him or her self and from that well shines forth a sun. You can walk in understanding, but it is rare that one walks other than alone. But if you can give up on getting you can give.

I wish you well, my friend.

We all live in a yellow submarine....
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Everyone hates themselves, doesn't know it, and doesn't want to know it. That came from childhood. To be brutally raped on top of that is just too much. It's like a confirmation, the frosting on the cake. Part of not being able to speak out is because of the self hate, the rape feels like it's deserved. We are no good and here's the proof. There is rage and there is the feeling of worthlesness that we don't deserve better. So we curl up in out self hate and carry on. We stuff down and suppress the feelings and carry on in make believe living having friends, some fun, some thin life. We meet somebody and our hearts flower. Man we are loved, maybe we are ok. But we avoid attachment, avoid commitment, avoid anything serious or envolved. Then the hammer falls. I love you. You love me, you love me you ass. Io you know how worthless I am. Do you know I was raped. Do you know what a dirtied piece of sh!t I am. You love my you ass, you fool, you stupid jerk. Get away from me. You make me feel everything all over again. I can't be any good, I suffered so much pain, I have to be worthless, please don't make me feel it again. I want to pretend, to keep it light. Don't ever offer me the hope of love. All that died long ago. I can never be happy. I am worthless, useless, empty. You love me? I have nothing to give. Run away before i destroy your love and drown it in my empty sea.

We are powerless in the face of the insanity that is man and woman. We cannot reverse the damage others have exoerienced. We can barely reverse what was done to us. But there is nothng you or anybody can do for anybody but to love them unconditionally and objectively, with the knowledge that our love will burn them like fire and cause them to hate, ro reject and to prove to us that they are worthless. We test and test to see if we are loved and all our tests are meant to fail, intended to cause the t other to fail. The lover does not care. The lover gives without regard to gain. The lover loves him or her self and from that well shines forth a sun. You can walk in understanding, but it is rare that one walks other than alone. But if you can give up on getting you can give.

I wish you well, my friend.

We all live in a yellow submarine....



The getting is in the giving Moonie,always 🙂
 
For you and I have a guardian angle with nothing much to do

But to give to you and to give to me, true love true love...
 
Originally posted by: Radiohead
'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all."
-- Alfred, Lord Tennyson

i really despise that quote. because the loss itself is more painful than anything else.
 
after the loss, there's a hole that can only be filled by a new love. and the longer that void remains, the more jaded or desparate you become.
 
Thanks for everything guys. I think I am going to text mesage her today and ask if she would meet me somewhere neutral to talk. I have my doubts that she will want to meet up. I am going to tell her that I care for her a lot. I was foolish for pushing her, and that any sort of long term commitment after such a short amount of time is silly anyway. I do not just want to tell her this because I think that is what she wants to hear. i am being honest. I do not want anyone else, but I truly believe that to make a long term plan when there are so many variables such as school, her desire to leave etc.. I will stand by her and support her as long as we both are here.

On another note: i find it odd that my engagement of 2 years with another woman left me feeling a lot less pain. i guess its because I did not really like her.

 
That really sucks. Time usually takes care of these situations. The trick is not do anything you will regret while you are upset.
 
Originally posted by: Grminalac
Thanks for everything guys. I think I am going to text mesage her today and ask if she would meet me somewhere neutral to talk. I have my doubts that she will want to meet up. I am going to tell her that I care for her a lot. I was foolish for pushing her, and that any sort of long term commitment after such a short amount of time is silly anyway. I do not just want to tell her this because I think that is what she wants to hear. i am being honest. I do not want anyone else, but I truly believe that to make a long term plan when there are so many variables such as school, her desire to leave etc.. I will stand by her and support her as long as we both are here.

On another note: i find it odd that my engagement of 2 years with another woman left me feeling a lot less pain. i guess its because I did not really like her.


Dude,
Don't message her, you'll look desperate. Give her time and space. Maybe she'll realize what she had and she'll call you.
 
very interesting thread.... very interesting...

I'm going to give you my perspective. I was married to a mentally ill, abusive addict - MAJOR head games, numerous affairs on his part, suicidal threats, cognitive dissonance, raging, drinking, gambling it was all there. The ex felt he didn't have any issues - other than that he wasn't happy and while he admitted he needed counseling he refused to go. It took me years to determine if I should stay (... in sickness or in health) or leave (addiction, adultery, abuse); and I had young children to think of - clearly they couldn't be left alone with him, and without a mental health history - he would definately get unsupervised visitation. I spent years living on a knive's edge, trying to support him mentally and emotionally and trying to get him into counseling, running interference between the him and kids, working full time, taking care of the house, and the children. I lived like that for a very long time and ultimately, I divorced him.

Amazingly, if you were to ask me when the scariest toughest time of my life was, you probably would be surprised. It wasn't those crazy years with my ex (that made me stronger than most people ever will ever need to be), or the divorce (that released a huge burden from my shoulder's). It was the transition period between not trusting and learning to trust in my first relationship after the divorce.

My ex was and is unstable, he slept with a 10" knife under the bed for protection( the dustbunnies where going to get him?), tried to kill the cat while she was sick, flew into a violent rages when by daughter tried to kiss him when he got home from work and left a speck of parmesan cheese on his sleeve or when I bought cookies home. Anything and everything set him off. You just couldn't how he would respond, his behavior was and is entirely unpredictable. They were just random acts of violence brought about by a sick individual.

So I did I feel about this? Numb or neutral was the ideal state to be in, anything else was open to attack by him. If he wasn't happy what right did I or any one else have to be happy? I strove to be numb and neutral.

Then I met my first SO post divorce. We clicked on a spiritual level and everything cascaded from there. But it was intensely frightening for me, the SO brought up so many emotions which if I had experience them with the ex, all hell would have broken loose. I'm talking about just little day to day interactions here. The SO was a unmoving rock for me, to test my emotions (good or bad) against, and in the testing my trust grew. I was and am still amazed with him. He is as calm and loving as the day I met him. To me he is proof that there are truly decent people in the world. We are best friends. I wouldn't change that for the world.
 
sorry to split the reply... but I needed a break...

anyway, "Love isn't just about the good times, love means being there when your partner is at their smallest and most woeful too " definately is true. It was in the testing of my SO, and his testing of me, that the true love which drives our deep friendship was created.
The fact that your girlfriend is willing to trust you with her history is a wonderful sign, and how you respond to her fully knowing her history is crucial. Give her the space she needs (it is probably what she needs to do to feel safe right now). But foremost be her friend, and let her know you are there for her.
 
Don't worry. Time heals all pain. Soon, she'll realize what a great guy you are and come back. Just be patient and persistant.
 
Originally posted by: Grminalac


Any suggestions or ideas?

First off, this too shall pass.

Second, hang in there.

Third, "Love is not love which alters when it alteration finds, nor bends with the remover to remove."

Fourth and finally, Can you see what it is she truly 'needs' and is that in your power to give her?
 
"after the loss, there's a hole that can only be filled by a new love. and the longer that void remains, the more jaded or desparate you become. "

Doesn't sound like love to me. Love, even after loss, is a positive interaction because I have grown internally.
 
Dude,
Don't message her, you'll look desperate. Give her time and space. Maybe she'll realize what she had and she'll call you.
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Follow your heart. Let MooseKnuckle worry about how he looks.

Playing dead is not that different than being dead. Happiness is not cleaver manipulation, it's being real.
 
IF you do get back with her as a SO, or just friends, you might want to see about getting her some professional counciling. It sounds like it would be pretty stupid to just walk up to her and say "you need to see a shrink", so instead you might want to contact a local womens crisis/rape group and seek advice from them. You should treat the cause/root of the problem, and the symptons. Also, if she is scared to meet you person to person, a letter can be a good way communicating with her. Write down the fun things you guys did together, but don't get overly gushy and scare her away with that. Let her know that you are there as a friend that she can talk to and confide in. I've never been in your situation before, so I don't know if the above advice makes since, but that is what I would try to do if I was in your situation. If she's the one, don't let her go.
 
I'd just call her and say something like...

XXXXX, I trust that you are doing what is best for you. I just want you to know that I really value our friendship, and I'm here for you whenever you need me.
 
my good female friend once told me that when girls have problems like that, its best to just leave them alone. one day they will realize that they've been treating you all bad and come back to you. and all this without doing anything.

i suggest you move on and find something to occupy your time. contact her again later. if she gets better, she will contact you.
 
"my good female friend once told me that when girls have problems like that, its best to just leave them alone. one day they will realize that they've been treating you all bad and come back to you. and all this without doing anything."

I agree! The biggest mistake people always make is thinking that it's easy to be a lover and change someone or help someone at the same time. It's nearly impossible to do that. This issue she's got is an accumulation of issues. Keep in mind that you're younger than she. This fact of she having been victimised may play a role in her interest in someone three years younger than she. And more likely than not she was comfortable with you earlier 'cuz a younger man wasn't a threat to her.

In my opinion, she can recover, but she will still have the issues she has. You can't really change it in a timely fashion. You have to be extremely patient to stay in a relationship with her and expect a change. It's best you're friends with her and try to help her as a friend.
 
Well, I did message her and no reply. I didn't say I wanted to meet up I just told her she is special and I like her as much now as i ever did. I do feel somewhat bad, but I think the reason I feel this way is not because she did not reply, but I think I did make a mistake in doing so. I do not want to push her further away and continued contact may just do that to her. It does seem to me like she needs space, but in actuality I think its a double edged sword. I imagine I could back off, not call, and go about my business. In time she'll push all those bad thoughts away again. If in fact she decides to come back. Which I believe she will. It will just be a cycle, her falling into it again anytime she has to show real feelings. I am gibbering I guess. I truly believe now that if I continue to push, even by messaging her it will make matters worse as well. I think i might just chill out a bit maybe wait a week or two then write her a letter basically telling her she is wonderful and that she is worth a lot not only to me but to everyone. I'll take it from there I guess. I believe deep down i have lived a bad life, patying way to much, strippers, no drugs, but my fair share of alcohol. I just know If I end up hurting someone that opened up and told me the things she said she could only tell to two other people in 12 years I don't think I will be able to live with myself.

As for right now. I have been working on somewhat of a novel. Maybe i'll start another chapter today.

I am surprised at the number of good thoughts and ideas I have recieved from everyone. i had thought Anandtechers would insult me and tell me to move on. Thanks everyone for sharing your issues and whatnot. It has made me feel a lot better.

Josh

 
Originally posted by: Grminalac
Well, I did message her and no reply. I didn't say I wanted to meet up I just told her she is special and I like her as much now as i ever did. I do feel somewhat bad, but I think the reason I feel this way is not because she did not reply, but I think I did make a mistake in doing so. I do not want to push her further away and continued contact may just do that to her. It does seem to me like she needs space, but in actuality I think its a double edged sword. I imagine I could back off, not call, and go about my business. In time she'll push all those bad thoughts away again. If in fact she decides to come back. Which I believe she will. It will just be a cycle, her falling into it again anytime she has to show real feelings. I am gibbering I guess. I truly believe now that if I continue to push, even by messaging her it will make matters worse as well. I think i might just chill out a bit maybe wait a week or two then write her a letter basically telling her she is wonderful and that she is worth a lot not only to me but to everyone. I'll take it from there I guess. I believe deep down i have lived a bad life, patying way to much, strippers, no drugs, but my fair share of alcohol. I just know If I end up hurting someone that opened up and told me the things she said she could only tell to two other people in 12 years I don't think I will be able to live with myself.

As for right now. I have been working on somewhat of a novel. Maybe i'll start another chapter today.

I am surprised at the number of good thoughts and ideas I have recieved from everyone. i had thought Anandtechers would insult me and tell me to move on. Thanks everyone for sharing your issues and whatnot. It has made me feel a lot better.

Josh

Some people deserve to be insulted in relationship threads - you obviously are not one of those. Seems like you were a really good guy to her and that she broke your heart. She has issues she needs to work out and obviously by her not responding, it's something she has to do on her own. You may want to see if you can talk to her face to face at her apartment/house (show up uninvited since she's not calling you back) and see if you can sit down and have a talk with her. If need be, tell her you won't leave without an answer. I know to me anyway that would provide some closure.
 
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