Originally posted by: Mwilding
oh, and you suck at polls
Theres no poll in case someone mentions something not on the list. This isnt a simple "Click and go", its a discussion.
Originally posted by: Mwilding
oh, and you suck at polls
Originally posted by: Jzero
The P38 wasn't "technically" the best, but it sure was the coolest![]()
Victories:
AIR:
40 Air Destroyed
7 Air Probable
11 Damaged Air
Originally posted by: AnyMal
No aircraft of WWII has more kills then ME109.
Originally posted by: Kenazo
a little off topic, but how many ppl lived in the axis countries? I still find it amazing that they were able to do so well against so many countries.
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Kenazo
a little off topic, but how many ppl lived in the axis countries? I still find it amazing that they were able to do so well against so many countries.
I would not attribute it to just population. Germany and Japan were far more prepared for the war than the Allied nations.
Originally posted by: Kenazo
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Kenazo
a little off topic, but how many ppl lived in the axis countries? I still find it amazing that they were able to do so well against so many countries.
I would not attribute it to just population. Germany and Japan were far more prepared for the war than the Allied nations.
Yeah, I guess seeing as they started the war, they would be more prepared. It is still quite amazing that they came as close to conquering Europe as they did, in my opinion. If they hadn't gone east, they might have pulled it off too. Scary thought.
Originally posted by: Kenazo
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Kenazo
a little off topic, but how many ppl lived in the axis countries? I still find it amazing that they were able to do so well against so many countries.
I would not attribute it to just population. Germany and Japan were far more prepared for the war than the Allied nations.
Yeah, I guess seeing as they started the war, they would be more prepared. It is still quite amazing that they came as close to conquering Europe as they did, in my opinion. If they hadn't gone east, they might have pulled it off too. Scary thought.
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: AnyMal
No aircraft of WWII has more kills then ME109.
No aircraft in WWII had to fight more then the ME109!!
Originally posted by: AnyMal
No aircraft of WWII has more kills then ME109.
Originally posted by: Kenazo
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Kenazo
a little off topic, but how many ppl lived in the axis countries? I still find it amazing that they were able to do so well against so many countries.
I would not attribute it to just population. Germany and Japan were far more prepared for the war than the Allied nations.
Yeah, I guess seeing as they started the war, they would be more prepared. It is still quite amazing that they came as close to conquering Europe as they did, in my opinion. If they hadn't gone east, they might have pulled it off too. Scary thought.
Excerpts from another site:The Fw 190 is widely regarded as Germany's best fighter aircraft of World War II. Its appearance in the skies over France in early 1941 was a rude shock to the Allies, as it was clearly superior to any other plane. For nearly a year, until the debut of the Spitfire IX, the Fw 190 was the unmatched champion of the air war.
I'm not saying the FW 190 was THE best prop driven fighter of the war, I'd have to go with the most advanced versions of the Mustang or possibly the Spitfire -- just surprised no one has even mentioned the "Butcher Bird" here, the best piston powered German fighter of WWll.The Spitfire IX went into service in July 1942. The RAF hoped to give the Luftwaffe a bloody nose during the "practice invasion" at Dieppe in August 1942, which was partly intended to lure the FW-190s up to fight. Unfortunately, the Dieppe operation was badly planned and executed, and the FW-190s were more than willing to accept the RAF's challenge, inflicting disproportionate losses on the Spitfires. One FW-190 pilot, Josef Wurmheller, shot down seven Spitfire Vs in one day over Dieppe.
The Spitfire IX did help even the odds over the long run, but Focke-Wulf was still churning out better versions of the Butcher Bird.
Despite this, FW-190s smashed up a raid on Regensburg and Schweinfurt on 14 October 1943 so badly that the Americans gave up daylight bombing over Germany until the long-range P-51B/C Mustang escort fighter came into service. Even when escorts arrived, the FW-190 was never a pushover for any Allied pilots, anyplace, anywhere. When an overenthusiastic American manufacturer printed an advertisement that displayed an FW-190 to mock it with the caption: "Who's Afraid Of The Big Bad Wulf?" -- they got a copy of the ad sent back to them in the mail along with a letter signed by everyone in a bomber unit that said: "We are."
Many Luftwaffe pilots racked up large numbers of kills, particularly on the Eastern front. The Luftwaffe's fourth highest scoring pilot, Oberleutnant Otto Kittle, who scored 267 victories, got 220 of his kills in FW-190A-4s and A-5s, making him the high scorer with the type. Other German aces, including Walter Nowotny, Heinz Baer, Herman Graf, and Kurt Buhligen, all scored over a hundred kills in the FW-190.
Originally posted by: Perknose
I love the P-51 Mustang, not least for it's lean visual beauty. First , it played for the home team. Second, it never even would have existed had not the Brits been desperate for aircraft and commissioned it from North American. It was designed and built from scratch in something like three months, IIRC. The real Mustangs only came later when they got Rolls-Royce Merlin engines.
But, WOW, I'm surprised that this late in the thread none of you internationally recognized WWll prop driven fighter plane experts has mentioned the Focke Wulf FW 190!......
I'm not saying the FW 190 was THE best prop driven fighter of the war, I'd have to go with the most advanced versions of the Mustang or possibly the Spitfire -- just surprised no one has even mentioned the "Butcher Bird" here, the best piston powered German fighter of WWll.
Originally posted by: Trente
Messerschmitt ME262