YAFT: Best WWII fighter?

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Shockwave

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
oh, and you suck at polls

Theres no poll in case someone mentions something not on the list. This isnt a simple "Click and go", its a discussion. :)
 

NesuD

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I call tossup between

P-51 Mustang
P-47 Thunderbolt
Supermarine Spitfire
F4U Corsair
P-38 Lightning

All of them were outstanding aircraft and excelled in their individual designed missions.

P-51... Longest ranged single seat fighter of WW2 allowing it to escort the B-17s all the way to Germany and back again, Firepower, speed an maneuverablity were also excellent.

P-47 Thunderbolt... A tank with wings that mounted the most powerful aircraft engine of all ww2 fighters with an 8 .50 cal gun array that was devastating plus fantastic capabilities as a ground support fighter bomber also decent interceptor abilities. Without doubt the most rugged fighter of the war. The stories of the incredible damage that plane could sustain yet still fly are amazing.

Supermarine Spitfire... Probably one of the finest plane to plane interceptors/dogfighters of the war, excellent manueverability and speed. Lacking range for long distance escort duties though.

Corsair... Excellent dual role fighter capable of both ground based missions as well as carrier based. excelled as both a ground support fighter bomber and as a interceptor fighter. Excellent speed and firepower Aircooled engine that made it excellent for south pacific service. remained in service as a carrier based aircraft until I believe 1964 in the French navy.

P-38 Lightning... One of the most unusual fighters to see widespread service it is a personal favorite of mine mostly because it is just a damn cool looking aircraft. Also was the aircraft flown by Richard Bong the highest scoring american Ace of WW2(40 confirmed kills) excellent speed ruggedness and awesome firepower.

If i had to absolutely pick one I would have to take the P-47. The stories of those planes getting their pilots home even after horriffic battle damage like 2 or 4 engine cylingers shot off the engine yet is still ran all the way back to base or loosing 5 feet off the end of a wing but still remained flyable are just to impressive to ignore.
 

Kenazo

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a little off topic, but how many ppl lived in the axis countries? I still find it amazing that they were able to do so well against so many countries.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: Kenazo
a little off topic, but how many ppl lived in the axis countries? I still find it amazing that they were able to do so well against so many countries.

I would not attribute it to just population. Germany and Japan were far more prepared for the war than the Allied nations.
 

azazyel

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ME 262

BF 109

These were my 2 favorites when I played "secret wepons of the Lufwaffe"
 

Kenazo

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Kenazo
a little off topic, but how many ppl lived in the axis countries? I still find it amazing that they were able to do so well against so many countries.

I would not attribute it to just population. Germany and Japan were far more prepared for the war than the Allied nations.


Yeah, I guess seeing as they started the war, they would be more prepared. It is still quite amazing that they came as close to conquering Europe as they did, in my opinion. If they hadn't gone east, they might have pulled it off too. Scary thought.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: Kenazo
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Kenazo
a little off topic, but how many ppl lived in the axis countries? I still find it amazing that they were able to do so well against so many countries.

I would not attribute it to just population. Germany and Japan were far more prepared for the war than the Allied nations.


Yeah, I guess seeing as they started the war, they would be more prepared. It is still quite amazing that they came as close to conquering Europe as they did, in my opinion. If they hadn't gone east, they might have pulled it off too. Scary thought.

Thankfully, Hitler was a crappy general. He also went to war two years before Germany would have been really ready.
 

Doboji

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Originally posted by: Kenazo
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Kenazo
a little off topic, but how many ppl lived in the axis countries? I still find it amazing that they were able to do so well against so many countries.

I would not attribute it to just population. Germany and Japan were far more prepared for the war than the Allied nations.


Yeah, I guess seeing as they started the war, they would be more prepared. It is still quite amazing that they came as close to conquering Europe as they did, in my opinion. If they hadn't gone east, they might have pulled it off too. Scary thought.

Or if they hadn't hit Pearl Harbor

They really shouldnt have gone East, or hit Pearl Harbor... but they probably could have done one or the other, and still won the war.

-Max
 

Taggart

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Originally posted by: Kenazo
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Kenazo
a little off topic, but how many ppl lived in the axis countries? I still find it amazing that they were able to do so well against so many countries.

I would not attribute it to just population. Germany and Japan were far more prepared for the war than the Allied nations.


Yeah, I guess seeing as they started the war, they would be more prepared. It is still quite amazing that they came as close to conquering Europe as they did, in my opinion. If they hadn't gone east, they might have pulled it off too. Scary thought.

If Hitler hadn't invaded Russia they probably would have been able to invade Britain. The Germans never developed effective landing craft, though. Who knows, England may have been forced to sign a very unfavorable armistice. Then the US would have entered the war and it would be curtains for the Nazi's anyway :p

I think the most Hitler could have retained for his Lebensraum was the territory he defeated minus France and Russia. I'm OT in OT though now so I'll shut up :D
 

Perknose

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I love the P-51 Mustang, not least for it's lean visual beauty. First , it played for the home team. Second, it never even would have existed had not the Brits been desperate for aircraft and commissioned it from North American. It was designed and built from scratch in something like three months, IIRC. The real Mustangs only came later when they got Rolls-Royce Merlin engines.

But, WOW, I'm surprised that this late in the thread none of you internationally recognized WWll prop driven fighter plane experts has mentioned the Focke Wulf FW 190!

It's an almost impossible task to pick "the best" fighter -- too many variables in the mix and a constant stream of upgrades on all sides making the choice a moving tartget -- but, for a time, at least, the FW-190 ruled the skies:
The Fw 190 is widely regarded as Germany's best fighter aircraft of World War II. Its appearance in the skies over France in early 1941 was a rude shock to the Allies, as it was clearly superior to any other plane. For nearly a year, until the debut of the Spitfire IX, the Fw 190 was the unmatched champion of the air war.
Excerpts from another site:
The Spitfire IX went into service in July 1942. The RAF hoped to give the Luftwaffe a bloody nose during the "practice invasion" at Dieppe in August 1942, which was partly intended to lure the FW-190s up to fight. Unfortunately, the Dieppe operation was badly planned and executed, and the FW-190s were more than willing to accept the RAF's challenge, inflicting disproportionate losses on the Spitfires. One FW-190 pilot, Josef Wurmheller, shot down seven Spitfire Vs in one day over Dieppe.

The Spitfire IX did help even the odds over the long run, but Focke-Wulf was still churning out better versions of the Butcher Bird.

Despite this, FW-190s smashed up a raid on Regensburg and Schweinfurt on 14 October 1943 so badly that the Americans gave up daylight bombing over Germany until the long-range P-51B/C Mustang escort fighter came into service. Even when escorts arrived, the FW-190 was never a pushover for any Allied pilots, anyplace, anywhere. When an overenthusiastic American manufacturer printed an advertisement that displayed an FW-190 to mock it with the caption: "Who's Afraid Of The Big Bad Wulf?" -- they got a copy of the ad sent back to them in the mail along with a letter signed by everyone in a bomber unit that said: "We are."

Many Luftwaffe pilots racked up large numbers of kills, particularly on the Eastern front. The Luftwaffe's fourth highest scoring pilot, Oberleutnant Otto Kittle, who scored 267 victories, got 220 of his kills in FW-190A-4s and A-5s, making him the high scorer with the type. Other German aces, including Walter Nowotny, Heinz Baer, Herman Graf, and Kurt Buhligen, all scored over a hundred kills in the FW-190.
I'm not saying the FW 190 was THE best prop driven fighter of the war, I'd have to go with the most advanced versions of the Mustang or possibly the Spitfire -- just surprised no one has even mentioned the "Butcher Bird" here, the best piston powered German fighter of WWll.
 

Mik3y

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P-51D Ended up becoming the most advanced and best overall fighter in WW2, though the spitfire had a larger role in defending england, the P5-D had a huge role in germany.
 

GoingUp

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Im quite partial to the P51 :)

It helped win the war for the Allies. It made long range bombing more effective.
 

Karsten

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Originally posted by: Perknose
I love the P-51 Mustang, not least for it's lean visual beauty. First , it played for the home team. Second, it never even would have existed had not the Brits been desperate for aircraft and commissioned it from North American. It was designed and built from scratch in something like three months, IIRC. The real Mustangs only came later when they got Rolls-Royce Merlin engines.

But, WOW, I'm surprised that this late in the thread none of you internationally recognized WWll prop driven fighter plane experts has mentioned the Focke Wulf FW 190!......


I'm not saying the FW 190 was THE best prop driven fighter of the war, I'd have to go with the most advanced versions of the Mustang or possibly the Spitfire -- just surprised no one has even mentioned the "Butcher Bird" here, the best piston powered German fighter of WWll.


Thanks, that post about summs it up. The Spitfire needed to go to version 9 to be even competetive!

As you go down in time you will find newer and faster planes, but I doubt any plane had more victories and was so highly respected then the 109 over the span of WWII!
 

Schadenfroh

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Originally posted by: Trente
Messerschmitt ME262

the best fighter, many were waisted by being turned into bombers. this is the best, but came too late in the war to really affect it.
 

NesuD

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Your right perknose! shame on me for forgetting it. The FW 190 was one of the best fighters of the war. The D series with it Jumo inlike liquid cooled engine actually made it the superior fighter at 20,000+ altitudes with a 40,000 ft service ceiling. Fast highly manueverable well armed it was definately one of the top 2 or 4 in the war. As far as those who mentioned the 109 as having the most kills. The 109 gained most of those kills against the WW2 equivalent of a crop duster. Also the German methodology for counting confirmed kills was extremely liberal. I would think that under the allies rules for confirmed kills that a very large percentage of those kills would have been disallowed.

FW 190D
 

Calin

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The Me262 was fast enough to zoom in a fight, unleash a holy amount of ordnance and then dash out quickly. They attacked the allied bombers this way, and only the destruction of the only the destruction of the ONLY refinery that provided its fuel grounded them.
And by the way, the P38 was ready to fly at the start of the Pacific war. Just the fact that that war was decided by aicraft carriers kept them out of the great glory reserved to carrier planes

Calin