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YAEWBT - Yet another existing while black thread. Modified to all purpose harassment (includes other people of color)

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A letter sent to the black students at UMass Amherst
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Love the part about how blacks speak "ebonics" in a statement littered with grammatical mistakes, e.g. "you're" is "your", and filled with run-on sentences, etc. LOL that these redneck bigots think they speak better English than anyone.

To coin a phrase, people like this clearly "hate themselves." In fact, they revile themselves. And if they can't find some other person or group to turn that hatred outwards toward, then they have to face the reality of their feelings of worthlessness.
 
That you clearly don't know what you are talking about.
The main concern which precipitated the ketamine shot is why was he stopped in the first place and why was zero consideration given to what he he telling the cops.
Answer the question, was he injected or not?

You are moving the goal posts. Show me a single source that he was injected with anything by police which was your original statement.
 
Literally the article. The post you responded to has it fucking highlighted in yellow.

Clearly you lack reading comprehension. Read the whole fucking article. That line does not state he was injected by the police, simply that he was stopped by police, that he was subsequently placed in a carotid hold, and then injected with ketamine. I'll wait for your apology.
 
Clearly you lack reading comprehension. Read the whole fucking article. That line does not state he was injected by the police, simply that he was stopped by police, that he was subsequently placed in a carotid hold, and then injected with ketamine. I'll wait for your apology.
Article doesn't say, it references the police stop, and police being charged, so I 1+1'd that one together. You saying it's 3 in this case? Was there a licensed medical professional that made the call? Or was it a cop that made the call?
 
The main concern which precipitated the ketamine shot is why was he stopped in the first place and why was zero consideration given to what he he telling the cops.

I do not disagree with you on that. That was not my focus. I was addressing the response of EMS and the medication of the patient themselves.

I have used this exact case to facilitate training and discussion on what went wrong here with the Fire/EMS response and how to avoid it. While we often work together on a number of incidents, our priorities are different and can lead to disagreement with police. We can't exert direct control over what they do prior to arrival, but we can fulfill our role as patient advocates once we arrive. They asked the medics to administer the ketamine and the medics did shortly after. And from everything I have read in a number of trade publications, including legal analysis by a solely focused EMS lawyer, they put the wishes of police and expedience over the best interests of the patients.

On a violent or severely agitated patient, I will discuss my plan to sedate a patient with police so our plans can work together, but they don't influence my medical decision of whether or not it is necessary. It is more of coordinating with them an approach, quick physical control (usually one person per limb and a fifth to inject), and then coordinated withdrawal while it kicks in. If we work together, there is a lower likelihood of injury to all of us, including the patient. Doing so can also keep them from perceiving a threat to us or them, and escalating to a use of force that could be avoided.
 
Article doesn't say, it references the police stop, and police being charged, so I 1+1'd that one together. You saying it's 3 in this case? Was there a licensed medical professional that made the call? Or was it a cop that made the call?

OK, I will make this really simple for you. The answer is not only in the headline itself


"Colorado attorney general report found Aurora police racially biased and fire department administered ketamine illegally"


But also this whole section of the same article. Please tell me again how it is not addressed?


Aurora FD used ketamine illegally, AG says
The Aurora Fire Department suspended the use of ketamine on September 14, 2020, but ketamine administration records from January 2019 to June 2020 show that during that period, the department reported administering ketamine 22 times for excited delirium, a life-threatening medical emergency, according to Weiser's release.
"These records show that, in more than half the incidents, paramedics failed to follow ketamine monitoring protocols and administered ketamine at doses above the maximum allowable dose for the reported weight of the subject," the release said.

AFD paramedics diagnosed McClain, the 23-year-old Black man killed during a police stop in 2019, with "excited delirium." Neither paramedic checked his vital signs, talked to McClain or touched him before making the diagnosis, according to an indictment from earlier this month.

They then injected McClain with a dose of ketamine based on an estimate that he was 200 pounds, when he actually weighed 143 pounds, according to the indictment. He was declared brain-dead three days later. "
 
OK, I will make this really simple for you. The answer is not only in the headline itself


"Colorado attorney general report found Aurora police racially biased and fire department administered ketamine illegally"


But also this whole section of the same article. Please tell me again how it is not addressed?


Aurora FD used ketamine illegally, AG says
The Aurora Fire Department suspended the use of ketamine on September 14, 2020, but ketamine administration records from January 2019 to June 2020 show that during that period, the department reported administering ketamine 22 times for excited delirium, a life-threatening medical emergency, according to Weiser's release.
"These records show that, in more than half the incidents, paramedics failed to follow ketamine monitoring protocols and administered ketamine at doses above the maximum allowable dose for the reported weight of the subject," the release said.
AFD paramedics diagnosed McClain, the 23-year-old Black man killed during a police stop in 2019, with "excited delirium." Neither paramedic checked his vital signs, talked to McClain or touched him before making the diagnosis, according to an indictment from earlier this month.

They then injected McClain with a dose of ketamine based on an estimate that he was 200 pounds, when he actually weighed 143 pounds, according to the indictment. He was declared brain-dead three days later. "
Oh so the racist policies extend to the FD as well, thanks for pointing that out for me. So both agencies should be gutted, and I'll renew my original statement.

No police officer or fire department paramedic should inject anyone with anything.
 
Oh so the racist policies extend to the FD as well, thanks for pointing that out for me. So both agencies should be gutted, and I'll renew my original statement.

No police officer or fire department paramedic should inject anyone with anything.


So after three go arounds, you concede you were wrong all along? And that the answer was in the article the entire time? Please answer both questions clearly in a yes or no format only.

And you really can't read can you? Nowhere does it say any evidence of racism in the fire department. It says the police department was biased and the fire department's use of ketamine injection did not meet medical guidelines on multiple occasions.

And please expound on how a paramedic does their job without injecting anyone. Please also cite what relevant training/education and experience you use to make that blanket statement.
 
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So after three go arounds, you concede you were wrong all along? And that the answer was in the article the entire time? Please answer both questions clearly in a yes or no format only.

And you really can't read can you? Nowhere does it say any evidence of racism in the fire department. It says the police department was biased and the fire department's use of ketamine injection did not meet medical guidelines on multiple occasions.

And please expound on how a paramedic does their job without injecting anyone. Please also cite what relevant training/education and experience you use to make that blanket statement.
Yep, wrong on both counts.

Good to see clarification that it's bias on the police department, and inappropriate medical procedure on the fire department.

Maybe we should adjust, and say that paramedics shouldn't be carrying Ketamine around with them to inject unruly colored folk with? Unless there's some valid usage of ketamine in the field that I'm unfamiliar with?

I'm of the firm belief that medical procedures should be left to medical professionals, not sure if fire departments should have medical professionals when we already have emergency personnel that cover that role.
 
OK.

So serious question, do you live in the US? Because fire-based EMS is overwhelmingly the predominant provider of EMS in the largest jurisdictions in the US. We *are* the medical professionals that cover that role for most of the US population.

And yes, ketamine has a well documented history as an fast, effective, and safe emergency sedation agent for people in crisis when used appropriately. I have found it to work quicker than IM benzodiazepines, especially diazepam, and much faster and more effective than medications like haloperidol (as well as safer in people already at risk of hyperthermia and seizures in excited delirium/extreme agitation.)

The military was also ahead of us for use as a non-opioid analgesic as well, especially in trauma patients as it does not cause a blood pressure drop, nor loss of airway reflexes like morphine/fentanyl do. I have found great success using it for both of those roles while functioning as a paramedic.
Article on ketamine for agitation

Clinical Applications

Severe Agitation/Excited Delirium
The extremely agitated patient with excited delirium represents a wide array of patients who may be affected by drugs of abuse, psychiatric disturbances, and organic causes, and may represent a serious threat to their care providers and themselves. Therefore, an agent is needed to gain rapid control of these patients to eliminate harm to themselves and others. Traditionally, acute agitation in the emergency department (ED) often is treated with antipsychotics, benzodiazepines, or a combination, sometimes with the addition of an anticholinergic such as diphenhydramine. This combination is effective at inducing anxiolysis in an agitated patient; however, they have many undesirable properties, including slow onset, variability in clinical response, and QT prolongation.20,21 In addition, these patients may have other medications or substances in their system that could augment any cardiovascular or respiratory effects of these drugs.

Ketamine is a medication that has been studied recently to treat acute agitated delirium. Characteristics that make it desirable for this patient population are its rapid onset, its ability to be given via several routes, little effect on respiratory drive, and overall low side effect profile, as demonstrated in the sedation literature.22

A prospective, nonrandomized trial by Riddell et al analyzed 106 agitated ED patients who received either ketamine or benzodiazepines and haloperidol, alone or in combination. The researchers found that fewer patients in the ketamine group were agitated at 5, 10, and 15 minutes following medication administration than in the other medication groups.23 This study concluded that in highly agitated and violent ED patients, ketamine is faster at controlling agitation than standard ED medications. However, the dosing in that study was not standardized. A meta-analysis by Sullivan et al in 2019 evaluating both prehospital and ED use of ketamine for agitation found that more than 85% of agitated patients treated with ketamine achieved appropriate sedation.24
 
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Never ceases to amaze how overtly, unquestionably racist people are always afraid of being called racist. When there's a super easy to fix that. Don't be fucking racist.
How are you going to tell someone that believes a behavior doesn't exist not to do it?
 
How are you going to tell someone that believes a behavior doesn't exist not to do it?
I'm not going to go all-out and say that racist people believe that racism doesn't exist. What I will say (and the letter you provided appears to support this) is that they believe that their racism is justified and that they are being "victimized" when they are condemned for speaking out their racism.
This IMO is why racists believe their hate speech should be protected, not just as free speech, but as immune from criticism in general. Racists will often say that they speak a "Truth" which does not require logical or rational explanation. Because, invariably, their "Truth" is neither logical nor rational, but is (like that letter) a cobbled together mess of illogical and irrational paranoia and cherry-picked negative stereotypes and generalizations.
At the furthest extreme of this, you see violent criminals (such as Roof or the Christchurch mass murderer) who took their paranoia and used it as justification for what they delusionally perceive as "pre-emptive self-defense."
But in almost all cases, what racists do is create a arbitrary division, an "us vs them," cherry-pick positive attributes for "Us" and negative attributes for "Them," apply those attributes generally for both, and then speak or take action accordingly.
Where I believe critics of racism and bigotry miss the mark is that they apply fault to the racist speech or actions and not to the irrational and illogical thought processes that got them there. Not to say that racist speech and actions don't deserve consequences, as they certainly do (especially actions). But that attacking racists just for being racist doesn't address the fact that the racist perceives their racism as justified, if not necessary. Instead, I would suggest that we push the rationale back on the racists.
For example, it is unlikely that even one of the black students at that school meet any of the criteria in that letter, but (taken at face value) the author appears to sincerely believe that all of the black students meet all of the criteria. Which is illogical and irrational to the point of absurdity. And yet, that kind of highly flawed thought process is the justification for more or less all racism and bigotry. And that IMO is what needs to be addressed.
 
Love the part about how blacks speak "ebonics" in a statement littered with grammatical mistakes, e.g. "you're" is "your", and filled with run-on sentences, etc. LOL that these redneck bigots think they speak better English than anyone.

To coin a phrase, people like this clearly "hate themselves." In fact, they revile themselves. And if they can't find some other person or group to turn that hatred outwards toward, then they have to face the reality of their feelings of worthlessness.
All they know is someone has to be below them to blame their lot in life on.
 
Black woman says her neighbor plays monkey noises and 'racist' recordings from his home. Police say they have 'no authority to intervene.

A Black woman in Virginia said her neighbor has been taunting her family by playing audio recordings of "racist" slurs and animal noises whenever they step out of their home. The local police said they can't intervene...

Martinez, a military veteran, told the outlet her neighbor monitors residents in the cul-de-sac with surveillance cameras from his home, and also uses blinking lights to harass them.

"We noticed a little erratic behavior like these blinking lights that are on a sensor. When my family or any other family leaves or returns to their homes, they all start to blink," Martinez told CNN. "When the sensors are activated, loud music begins to play. He switches the music based on the family that is activating the music."

The neighbor's behavior escalated to monkey sounds and racial slurs after Martinez called the police to complain about his loud music, according to the reports. Martinez told CNN that "since that day he's been playing n----- skits that he found online."

 
Black woman says her neighbor plays monkey noises and 'racist' recordings from his home. Police say they have 'no authority to intervene.

A Black woman in Virginia said her neighbor has been taunting her family by playing audio recordings of "racist" slurs and animal noises whenever they step out of their home. The local police said they can't intervene...

Martinez, a military veteran, told the outlet her neighbor monitors residents in the cul-de-sac with surveillance cameras from his home, and also uses blinking lights to harass them.

"We noticed a little erratic behavior like these blinking lights that are on a sensor. When my family or any other family leaves or returns to their homes, they all start to blink," Martinez told CNN. "When the sensors are activated, loud music begins to play. He switches the music based on the family that is activating the music."

The neighbor's behavior escalated to monkey sounds and racial slurs after Martinez called the police to complain about his loud music, according to the reports. Martinez told CNN that "since that day he's been playing n----- skits that he found online."


Umm, I already posted that.


I think.


Actually I cannot remember. I got remembery issues.
 
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