YAEWBT - Yet another existing while black thread. Modified to all purpose harassment (includes other people of color)

[zinfamous]

Police handled the situation correctly. The white student is a bitch. I think that's the start and end of the story.

Is making this national news race baiting? Hard to say.

That's my take on it as well.

Seems like police should have taken the ID from everyone involved. Why did the police assume the white girl was a student?

Maybe they did? It was mentioned that the reason for the delay in confirming Sioynbola's identity is that the name she gave (the one she commonly uses), is not the same as the name on her ID, which sounds legit to me. I would run into the same problem if the campus police confronted me in this way. I'm guessing the Braasch chick showed them her ID and they didn't need to spend time confirming it. Just because it isn't reported in this article doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And it can be inferred that they did do this based on the resolution, where the police submitted their conclusion that the Braasch chick seems to have a history of making such false claims and was clearly in the wrong here. They can't really report on her history if they didn't confirm her ID. On top of that, as she does have a history of making false reports like this, [at least some of] the police are probably familiar with her to some degree.

 

[interchange]

The police reported the incident to the dean's office. If there was a Yale code of conduct violation then they can act upon it. If she was harmed by this harassment she can take the other student to civil court. I don't think there is evidence of the police doing anything at all wrong.

 

[Perknose]

Seem fraught with challenges that those with white skin simply do not face:

"I deserve to be here."

Apparently, napping while black is now a thing. According to the article, here's a convenient list to add it to:

Other entrants include: couponing while black, graduating too boisterously while black, waiting for a school bus while black, throwing a kindergarten temper tantrum while black, drinking iced tea while black, waiting at Starbucks while black, AirBnB’ing while black, shopping for underwear while black, having a loud conversation while black, golfing too slowly while black, buying clothes at Barney’s while black, or Macy’s, or Nordstrom Rack, getting locked out of your own home while black, going to the gym while black, asking for the Waffle House corporate number while black and reading C.S. Lewis while black, among others.

The Real Terrorist Deserving of Being Hunted by the FBI and Jailed?

Rakem Balogun thought he was dreaming when armed agents in tactical gear stormed his apartment. Startled awake by a large crash and officers screaming commands, he soon realized his nightmare was real, and he and his 15-year-old son were forced outside of their Dallas home, wearing only underwear.

Handcuffed and shaking in the cold wind, Balogun thought a misunderstanding must have led the FBI to his door on 12 December 2017. The father of three said he was shocked to later learn that agents investigating “domestic terrorism” had been monitoring him for years and were arresting him that day in part because of his Facebook posts criticizing police.

[...]

Balogun, who lost his home and more while incarcerated, is believed to be the first person targeted and prosecuted under a secretive US surveillance effort to track so-called “black identity extremists”. In a leaked August 2017 report from the FBI’s Domestic Terrorism Analysis Unit, officials claimed that there had been a “resurgence in ideologically motivated, violent criminal activity” stemming from African Americans’ “perceptions of police brutality”.

The FBI, [special agent Aaron] Keighley said, learned of the protest from a video on Infowars, a far-right site run by the commentator Alex Jones, known for spreading false news and conspiracy theories.

The reference to Infowars stunned Balogun: “They’re using a conspiracy theorist video as a reason to justify their tyranny? That is a big insult.”

[...]

The prosecution’s case eventually unraveled – but in the process, so did Balogun’s life.

If it needs to be said, THE FACTS:

The government’s own crime data has largely undermined the notion of a growing threat from a “black identity extremist” [BIE] movement, a term invented by law enforcement. In addition to an overall decline in police deaths, most individuals who shoot and kill officers are white men, and white supremacists have been responsible for nearly 75% of deadly extremist attacks since 2001.

 

[FirNaTine]

That occurred after the black student was harassed and they verified she was a student. During the initial investigation why didn't police verify both people were students up front?

Let's assume the black woman wasn't a student police would not have even gone back to the white student to verify her status.

So, let's cut to the chase and admit you're wilfully distorting facts (or just straight lying).

You previously stated as a fact they didn't verify student status on the reporting party, and now you're admitting they did.

Now, you're changing to an imaginary hypothetical that is impossible to prove or disprove.

 

[FirNaTine]

I travel to a lot of college campuses for work and have been "forced to justify my existence" by police several times. This frequently occurs in dorms or research buildings where my ID is checked against a list and life moves on assuming I am on the list at hand. Sometimes the list of allowed vendors is not as easily accessible as students\staff so my wait is slightly longer. These interactions have increased in the last couple of years and seem to do so along side the campus initiatives for students to call the police if they notice something out of the ordinary. These go by different names "Not in my dorm", "Safe Campus" and the venerable "See something, say something" but all bombard students with messages that to avoid being raped\assaulted\robbed they should report anything or anyone out of place to the police immediately. In many instances the 'out of place' is explained to include a stranger or even someone known but who typically would not be in an area at a certain time. To emphasize the last point I had campus police called on me by someone who knew I should be there but "I was there much later than I should have been".

So from the police side of things it sounds like a well handled encounter given that they admonished the caller.

The person who called the police seems has issues though assuming the additional information is true.

And this is a regrettable consequence of trying to improve (or at least improve appearance of) campus safety.

Reports of suspicious behavior have to be checked out.

I get emails quite frequently for various campus safety alerts (as basically adjunct instructor through state University system I'm in the email blast system).

In every single one, there's encouragement to report anything unusual.

This is appearing to be an abuse of that system.

 

[Moonbeam]

We see what we believe so to see what is is to believe nothing. Only the ego that is free of need needs nothing to believe in. Belief is ego is the certainty that confers the belief in opinion.

A blind person is spared the prejudice that goes with color. A greater form of blindness is that which sees color and attaches no meaning to it.

The insane believe that how well you are protected from the damaging rays of the sun determine your moral character when real moral virtue is all about being free of bigotry.

 

[SKORPI0]

So now, social media is monitored by the FBI and whoever to justify breaking into your house and arresting you based on your comments and perhaps being tagged a "domestic terrorist".
I wonder if they ever heard of the term "freedom of speech"?

 

[Amused]

This is disgusting. The institutionalized racism in America can no longer be ignored by any person with even a double digit IQ. Anyone who continues to deny it today is themselves racist. Full stop.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is disgusting. The institutionalized racism in America can no longer be ignored by any person with even a double digit IQ. Anyone who continues to deny it today is themselves racist. Full stop.

People continue to deny because of the pain of admission. People who can't admit guilt can because of the magnitude of the guilt they feel and hide from themselves. You can't shame a bigot by telling him he is a bigot because the first rule of being a bigot is blindness to bigotry. Nobody should feel guilty about being a bigot. We are all bigots in one way or another, had to be to survive childhood humiliation. Bigotry falls when bigots discover the people they hate are just exactly like them. A bigot may have a gay child or be saved in the trenches by a black man, or have eyes opened when love is returned for his hate. The good in people is buried, not lost. It is buried by feelings of guilt. This is my opinion anyway.

 

[dawp]

already been posted
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...olice-on-black-student.2545608/#post-39420668

 

[UglyCasanova]

Seem fraught with challenges that those with white skin simply do not face:

This is one of those things

http://www.ksla.com/story/38166642/family-confirms-identity-of-4-year-old-killed-in-shooting

Innocent bystanders dying in drivebys because of an epidemic of black on black violence. Black lives matter, this is one of those black lives. It mattered. And it happens all the time unfortunately.

 

[UglyCasanova]

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

See page 3. For homicides the offending rate for blacks was 8 times higher than that for whites. I guess killing people is one of those challenges you mentioned.


The world is a complicated place, and trying to boil down problems to victimhood and blaming racism certainly doesn’t encompass the true picture. It does a disservice to any actual push to make things better.


Blacks make up 13% of the population but see the chart below of total homicide breakdown

Is that due to racism.

 

[glenn1]

“Black lives matter” is the “thoughts and prayers” of the left. Evidently they don’t matter enough to give them jobs.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/ct-youth-unemployment-urban-league-0126-biz-20160124-story.html

 

[Jaskalas]

“Black lives matter” is the “thoughts and prayers” of the left. Evidently they don’t matter enough to give them jobs.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/ct-youth-unemployment-urban-league-0126-biz-20160124-story.html

Needless and escalating job preferences such as college and no criminal history just begs "don't apply" if you're from an inner city. From a place of poverty. Our society is financially structured to keep people down in ways that extend beyond trickle down.

 

[pauldun170]

This is one of those things

http://www.ksla.com/story/38166642/family-confirms-identity-of-4-year-old-killed-in-shooting

Innocent bystanders dying in drivebys because of an epidemic of black on black violence. Black lives matter, this is one of those black lives. It mattered. And it happens all the time unfortunately.

What epidemic of black on black crime?
There are no epidemics around here.
I heard about it in movies and poor areas of other states....at least on TV

Let me see what I can find on this black on black epidemic you speak of...
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...-black-crime-rates-take-another-hit-bjs-study

In a report released Thursday titled Race and Hispanic Origin of Victims and Offenders, 2012-2015, the DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics found that a majority of most violent crimes are committed by people who are the same race as their victims. Indeed, the rate of white-on-white violent crime, it found, is about four times the rate of black-on-white crime.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Why do blacks have a homicide rate 8 times higher than whites? Racism?


ETA according to your link

The rate of black-on-black crime (16.5 per 1,000) was more than five times higher than white-on-black violent crime (2.8 per 1,000).

That seems significant too. And the big question on how with 13% of the population they commit 52.5% of homicides

How do jou justify that?

 

[pauldun170]

Why do blacks have a homicide rate 8 times higher than whites? Racism?


ETA according to your link




That seems significant too.

Quote the whole thing...don't just skim

Overall, the BJS reported, “the percentage of intraracial [that is, same-race] victimization was higher than the percentage of interracial victimization for all types of violent crime except robbery.”

Moreover, it explained, “the rate of white-on-white violent crime (12.0 per 1,000) was about four times higher than black-on-white violent crime (3.1 per 1,000). The rate of black-on-black crime (16.5 per 1,000) was more than five times higher than white-on-black violent crime (2.8 per 1,000). The rate of Hispanic-on-Hispanic crime (8.3 per 1,000) was about double the rate of white-on-Hispanic (4.1 per 1,000) and black-on-Hispanic (4.2 per 1,000) violent crime.”

 

[UglyCasanova]

Ok, so blacks kill more blacks than whites. I get that. Why do they kill at a rate 8 times greater than whites though. Racism?

 

[nickqt]

Why do blacks have a homicide rate 8 times higher than whites? Racism?


ETA according to your link




That seems significant too. And the big question on how with 13% of the population they commit 52.5% of homicides

How do jou justify that?

Definitely has nothing to do with the last 400 years when they were either owned as chattel slaves, prohibited from being accepted as first-class citizens, or red lined to be stuck in the same ghettos.

Nope. None of that is relevant. At all.

What do you think it is, professor?

 

[Jaskalas]

Seem fraught with challenges that those with white skin simply do not face:

Other entrants include...
asking for the Waffle House corporate number while black

drunkenly yelling profanities at restaurant employees and threatening to return with a gun and “shoot this place up.”

Well that's an interesting one. Drunk and disorderly, threatening to shoot the place. I understand if you did not read all the articles you linked for us. Maybe your source should have. I wonder, who was that? It's just... troubling as #BLM was founded on an attempted cop killer, and the "hands up don't shoot" is a fabrication of the event in Ferguson, MO. The tall tales throw shade on what is otherwise a needed reflection on how minorities are treated.

Though I do have beef with the legitimate aspects of the movement. Everyone is game for being !@#$ on by the police. Black people have it harder, but that's the deep end of the same pool of violence we're all stuck in. The message to get us out of that violence need not appeal only to those who have it the worst. In fact, it would garner more support if it was presented in inclusive terms.

Rules of Engagement for police should be blind, like justice. A person's race not changing how they approach and handle situations. And those RoE should be heavily debated on the national stage, for a nation rife with violence both from and against the police.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Definitely has nothing to do with the last 400 years when they were either owned as chattel slaves, prohibited from being accepted as first-class citizens, or red lined to be stuck in the same ghettos.

Nope. None of that is relevant. At all.

What do you think it is, professor?

That causes them to kill people? Should they get a pass? I’d like to know how I should feel about this.

 

[Jaskalas]

That causes them to kill people? Should they get a pass? I’d like to know how I should feel about this.

It's a lack of complete integration with our culture. I believe it is a direct result from neighborhood segregation and the blanket of crime and poverty that traps people in those situations. A product of their environment, which includes America's obsession with arming people... you know, to kill each other. Some of us are more afflicted by that decision than others.

If we had enough of an economic safety net, I bet we could erode that inner city gang culture. Bit by bit, person by person, they would feel free to leave those hellholes and make a better life somewhere beyond the violence. A veil of hopelessness would be lifted and some outreach to welcome them to a safer location could be the start of the integration necessary to end these distinctions.

Those are my 2cents on the cause and a solution.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Thanks for real feedback on it

 

[pauldun170]

Ok, so blacks kill more blacks than whites. I get that. Why do they kill at a rate 8 times greater than whites though. Racism?

Location, history and income.
Chicago had high if not higher crime rates back when it was predominately white.
NYC wasn't a safe place to be back when the Irish and Italians owned the place.

When it comes to predominately black neighborhoods, at least in certain parts of the country (certainly not around here) there is history involved on top of traditional markers of crime. You add on the additional layer of institutional disenfranchisement. Where the political and legal system has treated blacks as second class citizens.
In these circumstances, the discussion turns in to one that you should need to do actual reading on rather than bs'n on a forum.

There are pockets that are pushing black on black statistics up. Identify those areas and then look at the history. How the community formed there.
Go to any other country in the world and you will find disenfranchised communities where bias and political corruption has led to high crime rates

I'm in the North East and most of the black communities I've lived in were filled with immigrants from the Caribbean.
The only people around here that are sketchy are middle class white kids and their heroin addictions stinking up the place.
All the negros are too busy getting Phd's and law degrees.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I live in the deep Deep South. It’s totally different.