YAET: Yet Another Ebay Thread, Whos in the Wrong?

CrazyDe1

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Guy buys refurbed product from me that's advertised as refurbished to new. This is what was advertised on the site I bought it from. I also have advertised that they get all perks of buying from an authorized dealer...as in all warranty information applies. My auction also says all sales are final.

When he receives the item there's a screw on the bottom of the DVD player that he has to remove so that the tray will open. He powers the thing up and tries to eject the tray despite the sticker that says remove the screw from bottom before use otherwise you could damage the unit. He then comes to me and says the unit doesn't work.

So he comes to me and asks what he should do. I tell him all sales are final, I don't take returns, and he has to go through the manufacturer. I will provide my receipt for him to use for a manufacturer's warranty and I fax it to him. He then calls up the DVD company and the company I bought it for and they say the warranty is not transferrable, sorry. I then tell him to call up, don't even tell him where he bought it and say he has a receipt from an authorized dealer and to claim warranty. He refuses. I then tell him fine, I'll do it for him, I'll get all the warranty info, he can ship the unit to the manufacturer, they'll ship a new one to him, or if he prefers they can ship it to me and I'll ship it to him. He says I misrepresented and that there is no warranty since it's not transferrable.

I maintain that since the unit is replaceable and I'm willing to do it for him there -is- a warranty and it's valid. So the item was not misrepresented since it was stated it was refurbished and it was stated it was warrantied...maybe not directly for him but the warranty is valid through me. My end is fulfilled. He seems to think he should get a full refund.

Who's wrong here?
 

Saulbadguy

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He broke it. He's in the wrong. He is too lazy to call up the company and get a new unit. I'm sure that the warranty is void since he broke the damn thing.
 

RagingBITCH

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Link to the auction itself? Your auction description would be much more useful than what you just wrote to be honest.
 

CrazyDe1

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Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
He broke it. He's in the wrong. He is too lazy to call up the company and get a new unit. I'm sure that the warranty is void since he broke the damn thing.

I'm not even sure that's why it's broken. I do know that he emailed me that the tray wouldn't open then removed the screw on the bottom then said it didn't work even after he removed it. Assuming he didn't break it who's wrong?
 

CrazyDe1

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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Link to the auction itself? Your auction description would be much more useful than what you just wrote to be honest.

I don't want to link to my auction because I don't want people to know what I'm selling. What I had in my auction was although I am not an authorized dealer I purchased this from an authorized dealer and you get all perks of purchasing it from an authorized dealer. I also advertised a 1 year warranty on the unit.

The warranty is still valid, just not for him directly. If he wants to claim warranty he has to do so through me or he has to tell the the company he bought it through the authorized dealer since I did fax him my receipt.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Link to the auction itself? Your auction description would be much more useful than what you just wrote to be honest.

I don't want to link to my auction because I don't want people to know what I'm selling. What I had in my auction was although I am not an authorized dealer I purchased this from an authorized dealer and you get all perks of purchasing it from an authorized dealer. I also advertised a 1 year warranty on the unit.

The warranty is still valid, just not for him directly. If he wants to claim warranty he has to do so through me or he has to tell the the company he bought it through the authorized dealer since I did fax him my receipt.

so in other words the auction is misleading. ok we got it!
 

Koing

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What kind of DVD player needs a screw to be removed? wtf?! But anyway it had a label on it so he should have followed that then messing with it. Anyway I always RTFM when I get anything but the vast majority don't...

I'd say he is in the wrong. He bust the dam thing and he is too lazy to do anything about it.

Side note: About 'insurance' on shipping. If say I don't pay the extra £5 or whatever for insurance they 'don't send the item' out to me and I don't get it. They say it was *lost* in the post or something. What happens in this situation? I ask for proof they at least sent the item out? What happens if they can't get proof?

This is the one 'gripe' about Ebay, having to add extra for insurance. When I buy offf Amazon they factor in the price and insurance already and not stick an extra on top. Also they 'gurantee' my product will come to me.

(sorry to hi-jack but didn't want to start a new thread about it)

So what is going to happen in your situation?

Koing
 

CrazyDe1

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Link to the auction itself? Your auction description would be much more useful than what you just wrote to be honest.

I don't want to link to my auction because I don't want people to know what I'm selling. What I had in my auction was although I am not an authorized dealer I purchased this from an authorized dealer and you get all perks of purchasing it from an authorized dealer. I also advertised a 1 year warranty on the unit.

The warranty is still valid, just not for him directly. If he wants to claim warranty he has to do so through me or he has to tell the the company he bought it through the authorized dealer since I did fax him my receipt.

so in other words the auction is misleading. ok we got it!

It's not misleading at all. There is a warranty and it was auctioned as refurbished to new which is how it was also advertised on the site I bought it from.
 

TGregg

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I think you are about to get screwed.

I've heard stories about these "second hand" warranties getting revoked, but never seen a true instance. I suspect (but do not know) that they told him he was a moron for ejecting the tray and ignoring the label, and therefore the warranty is not valid. If that is the case and he sends it to you, and you send it in, you will be charged for a repair or it will be returned to you still broken.

IMO, your only choice is to stand firm with him and eBay. Perhaps you can call the company and confirm that their policy for "screwy" claims is to deny them. If so, you can stand firm to this guy and eBay.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Link to the auction itself? Your auction description would be much more useful than what you just wrote to be honest.

I don't want to link to my auction because I don't want people to know what I'm selling. What I had in my auction was although I am not an authorized dealer I purchased this from an authorized dealer and you get all perks of purchasing it from an authorized dealer. I also advertised a 1 year warranty on the unit.

The warranty is still valid, just not for him directly. If he wants to claim warranty he has to do so through me or he has to tell the the company he bought it through the authorized dealer since I did fax him my receipt.

so in other words the auction is misleading. ok we got it!

It's not misleading at all. There is a warranty and it was auctioned as refurbished to new which is how it was also advertised on the site I bought it from.


NO NO thats ok. we understand.

When people dont want to back up there claims its ok.

even from your post i gather it was misleading i dont really need the auction. but hey thanks for playing!
 

CrazyDe1

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Originally posted by: Koing
What kind of DVD player needs a screw to be removed? wtf?! But anyway it had a label on it so he should have followed that then messing with it. Anyway I always RTFM when I get anything but the vast majority don't...

I'd say he is in the wrong. He bust the dam thing and he is too lazy to do anything about it.

Side note: About 'insurance' on shipping. If say I don't pay the extra £5 or whatever for insurance they 'don't send the item' out to me and I don't get it. They say it was *lost* in the post or something. What happens in this situation? I ask for proof they at least sent the item out? What happens if they can't get proof?

This is the one 'gripe' about Ebay, having to add extra for insurance. When I buy offf Amazon they factor in the price and insurance already and not stick an extra on top. Also they 'gurantee' my product will come to me.

(sorry to hi-jack but didn't want to start a new thread about it)

So what is going to happen in your situation?

Koing


The screw is in the DVD player to protect the tray during shipping. If it's not in there the tray slides around and the motors sometimes get damaged. The screw keeps the tray in place.

As for what's happening in my situation it's currently under paypal dispute.

As for your situation if they say it was lost ask for tracking. If tracking # was offered and you didn't pay for it you're probably screwed. If you paid for tracking # and don't receive it it's grounds for dispute and you'd win.
 

CrazyDe1

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Originally posted by: TGregg
I think you are about to get screwed.

I've heard stories about these "second hand" warranties getting revoked, but never seen a true instance. I suspect (but do not know) that they told him he was a moron for ejecting the tray and ignoring the label, and therefore the warranty is not valid. If that is the case and he sends it to you, and you send it in, you will be charged for a repair or it will be returned to you still broken.

IMO, your only choice is to stand firm with him and eBay. Perhaps you can call the company and confirm that their policy for "screwy" claims is to deny them. If so, you can stand firm to this guy and eBay.

The funny thing is I've done this so many times in the past. I've had a few broken items in the past that I bought brand new. I just faxed them over the receipt and they claimed manufacturer's warranty. No one has ever had any problems with this until this guy.
 

Saulbadguy

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Link to the auction itself? Your auction description would be much more useful than what you just wrote to be honest.

I don't want to link to my auction because I don't want people to know what I'm selling. What I had in my auction was although I am not an authorized dealer I purchased this from an authorized dealer and you get all perks of purchasing it from an authorized dealer. I also advertised a 1 year warranty on the unit.

The warranty is still valid, just not for him directly. If he wants to claim warranty he has to do so through me or he has to tell the the company he bought it through the authorized dealer since I did fax him my receipt.

so in other words the auction is misleading. ok we got it!

It's not misleading at all. There is a warranty and it was auctioned as refurbished to new which is how it was also advertised on the site I bought it from.


NO NO thats ok. we understand.

When people dont want to back up there claims its ok.

even from your post i gather it was misleading i dont really need the auction. but hey thanks for playing!

Again..I will reiterate why ATOTers don't like to post auction links.


1. People will bid on their auctions without the intent of buying.
2. People could find items that the seller does not want them to know about and post on ATOT (sexual related items, etc etc)
3. People could find a slew of information about the seller, easily, and post it.
4. ATOT'ers are generally assholes.


/End of information for the wacky waggy.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Link to the auction itself? Your auction description would be much more useful than what you just wrote to be honest.

I don't want to link to my auction because I don't want people to know what I'm selling. What I had in my auction was although I am not an authorized dealer I purchased this from an authorized dealer and you get all perks of purchasing it from an authorized dealer. I also advertised a 1 year warranty on the unit.

The warranty is still valid, just not for him directly. If he wants to claim warranty he has to do so through me or he has to tell the the company he bought it through the authorized dealer since I did fax him my receipt.

so in other words the auction is misleading. ok we got it!

It's not misleading at all. There is a warranty and it was auctioned as refurbished to new which is how it was also advertised on the site I bought it from.


NO NO thats ok. we understand.

When people dont want to back up there claims its ok.

even from your post i gather it was misleading i dont really need the auction. but hey thanks for playing!

Again..I will reiterate why ATOTers don't like to post auction links.


1. People will bid on their auctions without the intent of buying.
2. People could find items that the seller does not want them to know about and post on ATOT (sexual related items, etc etc)
3. People could find a slew of information about the seller, easily, and post it.
4. ATOT'ers are generally assholes.


/End of information for the wacky waggy.

yes i agree that people that bid on stuff with NO intent of buying are lame. and yes ATOT'ers are generally assholes.

But he comes in sayng who is right or wrong. To be honest with him we really need to see if he was honest in his auction. He does not want to post a link to it. wich is fine. but again seems odd since is complaining ABOUT an acution.

oh who really cares if he sells/buys sexual related items (ok its gross buying used sex items)? some poeple need to get over such stuff.


To me it seems like he is just trying to hide that his auction may be mis-leading. But hey you dont have to agree with me!
 
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Well if I was the seller, I'd take it back and deal with the warranty myself while refunding that guy in full. That's just the way I am, I guess...I like to make sure that all of my customers (and there are a ton) are 100% satisfied with the transaction.

However, it's kind of strange that he won't deal with the warranty himself.
 

CrazyDe1

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Link to the auction itself? Your auction description would be much more useful than what you just wrote to be honest.

I don't want to link to my auction because I don't want people to know what I'm selling. What I had in my auction was although I am not an authorized dealer I purchased this from an authorized dealer and you get all perks of purchasing it from an authorized dealer. I also advertised a 1 year warranty on the unit.

The warranty is still valid, just not for him directly. If he wants to claim warranty he has to do so through me or he has to tell the the company he bought it through the authorized dealer since I did fax him my receipt.

so in other words the auction is misleading. ok we got it!

It's not misleading at all. There is a warranty and it was auctioned as refurbished to new which is how it was also advertised on the site I bought it from.


NO NO thats ok. we understand.

When people dont want to back up there claims its ok.

even from your post i gather it was misleading i dont really need the auction. but hey thanks for playing!

Again..I will reiterate why ATOTers don't like to post auction links.


1. People will bid on their auctions without the intent of buying.
2. People could find items that the seller does not want them to know about and post on ATOT (sexual related items, etc etc)
3. People could find a slew of information about the seller, easily, and post it.
4. ATOT'ers are generally assholes.


/End of information for the wacky waggy.

yes i agree that people that bid on stuff with NO intent of buying are lame. and yes ATOT'ers are generally assholes.

But he comes in sayng who is right or wrong. To be honest with him we really need to see if he was honest in his auction. He does not want to post a link to it. wich is fine. but again seems odd since is complaining ABOUT an acution.

oh who really cares if he sells/buys sexual related items (ok its gross buying used sex items)? some poeple need to get over such stuff.


To me it seems like he is just trying to hide that his auction may be mis-leading. But hey you dont have to agree with me!

Actually I know how people who populate the hot deals forum are and I know people are vultures. If people knew what I was buying it wouldn't be too hard to extrapolate who I got it from based on other hot deals posts. Especially since a lot of the items I sell can only be bought from one place and it's hard enough to get them as it is. I'm not trying to be misleading here I'm just asking for advice. The situation I outlined above is exactly how it went.

Does saying you get a warranty imply that the warranty is transferrable or does it just mean that as long as the product is warrantied, either through me or someone else it's fine? That's my real question. It's not a problem to get a replacement unit. He just thinks I misrepresented and that hte item was very different from what I listed becuase I said refurbished to new which implies it shouldn't be DOA and also I said he gets all benefits of dealing with an authorized dealer...which he does..the warranty still applies, it just goes through me, or alternatively, if he said it was a gift he could just send in my receipt because the item was bought on my end from an authorized dealer.
 
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Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Link to the auction itself? Your auction description would be much more useful than what you just wrote to be honest.

I don't want to link to my auction because I don't want people to know what I'm selling. What I had in my auction was although I am not an authorized dealer I purchased this from an authorized dealer and you get all perks of purchasing it from an authorized dealer. I also advertised a 1 year warranty on the unit.

The warranty is still valid, just not for him directly. If he wants to claim warranty he has to do so through me or he has to tell the the company he bought it through the authorized dealer since I did fax him my receipt.

so in other words the auction is misleading. ok we got it!

It's not misleading at all. There is a warranty and it was auctioned as refurbished to new which is how it was also advertised on the site I bought it from.

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so basically by that logic you can advertise it has a remote but you didn't send it to him. You WOULD be more then willing to point it his way and change the channels for him though...

you are misleading your buyers if thats what you are telling them.
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prvteye2003

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well, obviously, he's not getting all the perks from buying from an authorized dealer as stated in your auction. You are not an authorized dealer. I say it's all misleading.
 

edfcmc

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refund the money. You state that its just like buying from an authorized Denon dealer.